Dan Wheeler 8020 #10 All my lives are done and dusted, they stopped me posting - I can’t be trusted

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LonestarTT said:
Thanks

Who are the classes run by?
What are they called? Specifically
Are they insured?
Are they exclusive to clients?
Is any evaluation ever received of the people doing classes?
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There were step classes. Low quality lives on Facebook and only in the academy. So exclusive to clients. No idea if they were insured. They never asked if anyone had medical needs or needed amended movements. Steps…… that in practice was a low level aerobics class based on walking backwards, forwards and side to side.
 
LonestarTT said:
Thanks

Who are the classes run by?
What are they called? Specifically
Are they insured?
Are they exclusive to clients?
Is any evaluation ever received of the people doing classes?
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Ok so the classes 2 per day 6-7 & 7-8am although there were some Changes to the times towards the end of my time in the academy. Step was run by one lady generally and about 5k steps, then a weights class although they were starting to introduce more types into the calendar and asking members for input. No evaluation, you could join live or watch back/participate later. I tried a couple of the steps classes but found better ones on YouTube.
No mention about insurance but there is a disclaimer at the start of each class
 
LonestarTT said:
Can anyone who hasn't muted me as "dan in disguise" answer a couple of questions about his classes please?

Can anyone who hasn't muted me as "dan in disguise" answer a couple of questions about his classes please
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I keep in touch with the instructor who helped me and she said they all have to be qualified to fo the classes and have insurance. She has her own online stuff separate from 80/20 so I guess she has all her certificates from doing that but not directly through dan.

There is a disclaimer on the videos but no feedback asked for.
I only ever joined in with her step, boxercise and weights because she helped adapt things for my disability. Not because 80/20 told her to but she's a nice person
 
Rupert said:
Hi 👋🏻 from a long time lurker. Noticed DW on TT back in March/April and seen this whole thing play out in all it’s technicolour glory. Just as an aside I think the ASA might have something to say about the bold claims he makes when he refers to all the ‘conditions’ he can cure https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/healthcare-medicinal-claims.html
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Good spot, but I don’t think the ‘plan’ falls within what the MHRA would define as a medicinal product. Sorry, it’s my field of work.
 
What a surprise 🙄
 

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Ok, bear with, I’m trying to find some positives in my interactions with Dan and his plan. Unfortunately, I’m struggling to find any directly related to Dan or his plan.

But, he brought me to TT, through which I have found lots of info and support from people who actually know what they’re talking about. (Emma, I need your recipes, and we all know about the hottie!)

I also found you lot. I’ve learned so much from you all and I love this community. I’ve felt more love and support, and got more actual help/info, here than I ever did from the Scamademy. You are my tribe. Thank you ❤️❤️❤️ Sorry for being a gushy moo but sometimes it’s just good to let people know they are appreciated.
 
TalktomeGoose606 said:
The step classes were from someone living room with really tacky disco lights and tit (,imo) music. Did 1. you could barely hear the lass. Guessing if they're emoloyed by the business the business insurance would cover for any claims of injury, although there was a disclaimer on the posts from what I remember.


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yeah, your judgement is frequently noted, without irony one assumes
 
JCMSadie said:
Not by Dan, by what I presume are the only qualified people involved (but never saw proof). I saw two women doing a step class and...I think weights? I never did them though, they weren't best quality (I have gym membership with classes, and Beachbody streaming subscription, much better. As are free classes on Youtube). I assume they're exclusive, but there's no way of telling if the instructor is streaming them on more than one platform or recording them to use later. Was never asked for feedback, and who knows if they're insured but there is a disclaimer.
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Thank you Sadie, Em and all who are over it, dont know to multi quote.

The reason Im asking, and Im not sure if its required for whats going on. Or what claims he is making.

So the context.

CIMPSA and Reps (UK Coaching) split into two distinct categories, databasing and industry insurance.

So you dont get individualised insurance you get a blanket industry one, as a result there are quite strict terms on certain elements.

So to be "insured" and not sure if they need to be to walk in their kitchen but this is a business providing a service, you can only teach/coach in the scope of the qualification from your governing body. So you cant be a swimming teacher because you are a triathlon coach per se. However, you can do a L2 Gym instructor/fitness class wholly online.

Anyway, if he is providing a service and insured to do so, he can only be insured within the scope of his qualification, his "staff" come under this only if they are really staff and have T&Cs to adhere to his rules AND be suitably qualified to coach/teach. So to continue the analogy if he hired a swimming coach under DW8020 it would fall under his insurance but HE cannot teach that. As you may imagine for such a generic PT qualification "scope" is arguable.

But if his insurance covers online (this is extra but he could afford easily enough) there are conditions that need to be met. Every participant needs to have a basic screen such as a PAR-Q which we've all seen I imagine, plus the classes need to be taught by suitably qualified people, qualified being endorsed by a governing body (the higher you go the wider the scope), plus the classes need to be exclusive to people signed up to him and suitably screened, the insurer recommends password access.

So if he doesnt call it a class, or claim its insured etc etc. So even recordings need to be warning which I think someone said was pinned.

Again not sure hence the questions, but if they are classes as part of his plan, ie people are paying him exclusively for them then these conditions need to be met to be insured but Im not sure the UK gives a tit about needing to be insured.
 
danwheelerisaconman said:
What a surprise 🙄
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He thought he was gonna get 200...couldn't even get 100. So I don't think anyone needs to worry about missing out on the "limited" amount of codes. If he couldn't get 100 people interested when there was a chance it was free, he sure as tit isn't going to get 100 when they have to pay for it 🤣

LonestarTT said:
Thank you Sadie, Em and all who are over it, dont know to multi quote.

The reason Im asking, and Im not sure if its required for whats going on. Or what claims he is making.

So the context.

CIMPSA and Reps (UK Coaching) split into two distinct categories, databasing and industry insurance.

So you dont get individualised insurance you get a blanket industry one, as a result there are quite strict terms on certain elements.

So to be "insured" and not sure if they need to be to walk in their kitchen but this is a business providing a service, you can only teach/coach in the scope of the qualification from your governing body. So you cant be a swimming teacher because you are a triathlon coach per se. However, you can do a L2 Gym instructor/fitness class wholly online.

Anyway, if he is providing a service and insured to do so, he can only be insured within the scope of his qualification, his "staff" come under this only if they are really staff and have T&Cs to adhere to his rules AND be suitably qualified to coach/teach. So to continue the analogy if he hired a swimming coach under DW8020 it would fall under his insurance but HE cannot teach that. As you may imagine for such a generic PT qualification "scope" is arguable.

But if his insurance covers online (this is extra but he could afford easily enough) there are conditions that need to be met. Every participant needs to have a basic screen such as a PAR-Q which we've all seen I imagine, plus the classes need to be taught by suitably qualified people, qualified being endorsed by a governing body (the higher you go the wider the scope), plus the classes need to be exclusive to people signed up to him and suitably screened, the insurer recommends password access.

So if he doesnt call it a class, or claim its insured etc etc. So even recordings need to be warning which I think someone said was pinned.

Again not sure hence the questions, but if they are classes as part of his plan, ie people are paying him exclusively for them then these conditions need to be met to be insured but Im not sure the UK gives a tit about needing to be insured.
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So basically, it's him/the business that needs to be insured and ensuring that those holding the classes are appropriately qualified?

Hard to prove. People should have a right to check he's insured but they can't even get him to cough up the qualifications he'd need to be insured in the first place. Makes me doubt he's insured at all...but how to prove it?

Did someone say some of the classes were done by a member? Good chance she isn't qualified, if she's signed up to a scam like 80/20...
 
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LonestarTT said:
Thank you Sadie, Em and all who are over it, dont know to multi quote.

The reason Im asking, and Im not sure if its required for whats going on. Or what claims he is making.

So the context.

CIMPSA and Reps (UK Coaching) split into two distinct categories, databasing and industry insurance.

So you dont get individualised insurance you get a blanket industry one, as a result there are quite strict terms on certain elements.

So to be "insured" and not sure if they need to be to walk in their kitchen but this is a business providing a service, you can only teach/coach in the scope of the qualification from your governing body. So you cant be a swimming teacher because you are a triathlon coach per se. However, you can do a L2 Gym instructor/fitness class wholly online.

Anyway, if he is providing a service and insured to do so, he can only be insured within the scope of his qualification, his "staff" come under this only if they are really staff and have T&Cs to adhere to his rules AND be suitably qualified to coach/teach. So to continue the analogy if he hired a swimming coach under DW8020 it would fall under his insurance but HE cannot teach that. As you may imagine for such a generic PT qualification "scope" is arguable.

But if his insurance covers online (this is extra but he could afford easily enough) there are conditions that need to be met. Every participant needs to have a basic screen such as a PAR-Q which we've all seen I imagine, plus the classes need to be taught by suitably qualified people, qualified being endorsed by a governing body (the higher you go the wider the scope), plus the classes need to be exclusive to people signed up to him and suitably screened, the insurer recommends password access.

So if he doesnt call it a class, or claim its insured etc etc. So even recordings need to be warning which I think someone said was pinned.

Again not sure hence the questions, but if they are classes as part of his plan, ie people are paying him exclusively for them then these conditions need to be met to be insured but Im not sure the UK gives a tit about needing to be insured.
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That’s fascinating - I’d be almost certain he didn’t update his insurance to cover what is going on
 
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