Dan Wheeler 8020 #10 All my lives are done and dusted, they stopped me posting - I can’t be trusted

[Coconutclub]

Spot on. Back in Feb/March when he used to do the lives on his own he was much more focussed. Then the TT blew up and it literally went to his head. It became the car crash known as the Dan Wheeler Show.

He has admitted before hes the type of person who cant be alone and needs people round him.

I don't think it's an insecurity that makes him not want to be alone - he can't function without having power over people. He needs attention 24/7. This is what Ness and Sean are to him (not my words cut and pasted):

The occasional compliment is not enough. Narcissists need constant food for their ego, so they surround themselves with people who are willing to cater to their obsessive craving for affirmation. These relationships are very one-sided. It’s all about what the admirer can do for the narcissist, never the other way around. And if there is ever an interruption or diminishment in the admirer’s attention and praise, the narcissist treats it as a betrayal.


Also saw this on the same page describing narcissism - perfect description of DW:

Grandiose sense of self-importance
Grandiosity is the defining characteristic of narcissism. More than just arrogance or vanity, grandiosity is an unrealistic sense of superiority. Narcissists believe they are unique or “special” and can only be understood by other special people. What’s more, they are too good for anything average or ordinary. They only want to associate and be associated with other high-status people, places, and things.

Narcissists also believe that they’re better than everyone else and expect recognition as such—even when they’ve done nothing to earn it. They will often exaggerate or outright lie about their achievements and talents. And when they talk about work or relationships, all you’ll hear is how much they contribute, how great they are, and how lucky the people in their lives are to have them. They are the undisputed star and everyone else is at best a bit player.

 

[DansBarmyArmy]

I don't think it's an insecurity that makes him not want to be alone - he can't function without having power over people. He needs attention 24/7. This is what Ness and Sean are to him (not my words cut and pasted):

The occasional compliment is not enough. Narcissists need constant food for their ego, so they surround themselves with people who are willing to cater to their obsessive craving for affirmation. These relationships are very one-sided. It’s all about what the admirer can do for the narcissist, never the other way around. And if there is ever an interruption or diminishment in the admirer’s attention and praise, the narcissist treats it as a betrayal.


Also saw this on the same page describing narcissism - perfect description of DW:

Grandiose sense of self-importance
Grandiosity is the defining characteristic of narcissism. More than just arrogance or vanity, grandiosity is an unrealistic sense of superiority. Narcissists believe they are unique or “special” and can only be understood by other special people. What’s more, they are too good for anything average or ordinary. They only want to associate and be associated with other high-status people, places, and things.

Narcissists also believe that they’re better than everyone else and expect recognition as such—even when they’ve done nothing to earn it. They will often exaggerate or outright lie about their achievements and talents. And when they talk about work or relationships, all you’ll hear is how much they contribute, how great they are, and how lucky the people in their lives are to have them. They are the undisputed star and everyone else is at best a bit player.

Hit. The. Nail. On. The. Head

 

[shocktiludrop]

Masterclass in how not to run a business.
There is no need for all the staff - he doesn't need Nessa and Sean who are probably the biggest expense. He could easily do lives on his own - keep them focussed and on nutrition - much more efficient for those listening too. I like to listen to the Hench Herbivore he does lives on his own or occasionally with his wife - they're filmed in his home - he has a green screen behind him so no distractions and just sticks to plant based nutrition and answering questions. Lots of PTs do this, there is no need for Dan to have a 'show' with co-hosts and employing someone to film. I would even say that he could do the classes too - like Joe Wicks did when he started out (although IMO Dan isn't fit enough to do daily classes).
His problem is he just wants to be a boss - the main man surrounded by people he has power over because he employs them.

Agreed! If he took his ego out of the equation and just coached people properly, all he would need is a professional for the mindset work and someone to do exercise classes. He currently has 17 people and between them, no one is offering anything of any value it’s just a big entourage pissing about. Actually I do think there’s one or two in there that are actually very knowledgeable and approachable, they should consider doing their own thing.

 

[Craftyh]

That’s what his ‘vision’ of success looks like, deluded narc idiot

 

[Coconutclub]

Agreed! If he took his ego out of the equation and just coached people properly, all he would need is a professional for the mindset work and someone to do exercise classes. He currently has 17 people and between them, no one is offering anything of any value it’s just a big entourage pissing about. Actually I do think there’s one or two in there that are actually very knowledgeable and approachable, they should consider doing their own thing.

Its a mess - contributions from 17 people should be giving insane value, but it doesn't because they are just there to serve DW not to serve their paying customers.

 

[LonestarTT]

Masterclass in how not to run a business.
There is no need for all the staff - he doesn't need Nessa and Sean who are probably the biggest expense. He could easily do lives on his own - keep them focussed and on nutrition - much more efficient for those listening too. I like to listen to the Hench Herbivore he does lives on his own or occasionally with his wife - they're filmed in his home - he has a green screen behind him so no distractions and just sticks to plant based nutrition and answering questions. Lots of PTs do this, there is no need for Dan to have a 'show' with co-hosts and employing someone to film. I would even say that he could do the classes too - like Joe Wicks did when he started out (although IMO Dan isn't fit enough to do daily classes).
His problem is he just wants to be a boss - the main man surrounded by people he has power over because he employs them.

This took me way to long to decipher

"he lives on his own but occassionally with his wife"

How do we get that deal!?

 

[Dishthedirt2021]

This took me way to long to decipher

"he lives on his own but occassionally with his wife"

How do we get that deal!?

No it says he does lives on his own or occasionally with his wife (hench herbivore)

 

[LonestarTT]

Agreed! If he took his ego out of the equation and just coached people properly, all he would need is a professional for the mindset work and someone to do exercise classes. He currently has 17 people and between them, no one is offering anything of any value it’s just a big entourage pissing about. Actually I do think there’s one or two in there that are actually very knowledgeable and approachable, they should consider doing their own thing.

I genuinely dont think he knows how to coach people properly., someone thats relatively inactive, has uncapped calories and poor life habits can behelped very easily if they are motivated; read "trust the process", "you're too lazy", "the plan works you didnt".

If you mindlessly eat, barely move, dont sleep well etc. Bear in mind most people do not estimate their calories well and labels are legally 20% inaccurate. Changes in any of these are likely to elicit initial results and lead to multiple comments he gets of "OMG Ive been wheelered".

His whole bread and butter, is overweight, inactive women who have had enough of their own habits. Women who, in general terms are not interested in sport or havent been in recent times. So are unsure on the latest research. No trainer or coach such set your goals for you without considering your needs.

Wheeler has or had a shiny flashy fishing lure, but once he got you in the bucket you can fack off. He has no idea how to work with barriers and keep people as consistent as they can. Which is why struggles are never helped.

Although if he did focus on this area and helping this consistency he could get better at it and be more helpful. Instead he takes on complex endocrinology from google and advises everyone in blanket fashions.

He is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Pointing out that the bucket isnt what the lure promised is your fault.

 

[JCMSadie]

I genuinely dont think he knows how to coach people properly., someone thats relatively inactive, has uncapped calories and poor life habits can behelped very easily if they are motivated; read "trust the process", "you're too lazy", "the plan works you didnt".

If you mindlessly eat, barely move, dont sleep well etc. Bear in mind most people do not estimate their calories well and labels are legally 20% inaccurate. Changes in any of these are likely to elicit initial results and lead to multiple comments he gets of "OMG Ive been wheelered".

His whole bread and butter, is overweight, inactive women who have had enough of their own habits. Women who, in general terms are not interested in sport or havent been in recent times. So are unsure on the latest research. No trainer or coach such set your goals for you without considering your needs.

Wheeler has or had a shiny flashy fishing lure, but once he got you in the bucket you can fack off. He has no idea how to work with barriers and keep people as consistent as they can. Which is why struggles are never helped.

Although if he did focus on this area and helping this consistency he could get better at it and be more helpful. Instead he takes on complex endocrinology from google and advises everyone in blanket fashions.

He is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Pointing out that the bucket isnt what the lure promised is your fault.

100% this. Except I'd add that behind that lure is a big net. He's tried to catch as many people as possible at once with what is, once you're in the bucket, miles different from what you were promised. They keep saying the plan will be better, but it won't because Whanker is so limited in what he can actually offer.

 

[Coconutclub]

This took me way to long to decipher

"he lives on his own but occassionally with his wife"

How do we get that deal!?

As dishthedirt says it says 'he DOES lives' as in Instagram or YouTube lives. Lack of commas on my part though - 'he does lives on his own, or occasionally with his wife.' My point was that plenty of successful people in the diet and fitness space have very basic set ups without bringing so many people in to it and do just as well as DW has done.

 

[LonestarTT]

As dishthedirt says it says 'he DOES lives' as in Instagram or YouTube lives. Lack of commas on my part though - 'he does lives on his own, or occasionally with his wife.' My point was that plenty of successful people in the diet and fitness space have very basic set ups without bringing so many people in to it and do just as well as DW has done.

I just read it wrong, maybe it was freudian. It took me ages to decipher thats not what it said.

 

[IfTheCapFits]

Ive known about him for 4 or 5 years now, every single 'project' he's unleashed with great fanfare, has failed miserably. Every Single One! Doesn't matter if it was expanding the business, individual or group weightloss & exercise projects (they were increasingly embarrassing each time they sunk without trace & shall never be mentioned again), the book, mainstream radio personality (particularly excruciating & definitely not mainstream), there's just too many to mention!

But, he gets a new group of enablers every now & again, & because he can be such a plausible salesman, off he goes again with new lot all backing him in his latest plans for world domination

I'm hopeful now we've got outlets he can't control, we're putting the pieces together for those none the wiser & we can finally get him stopped.

Apologies for waffling on, I'm full of cold & not too lucid!

 

[Potatocake]

Ive known about him for 4 or 5 years now, every single 'project' he's unleashed with great fanfare, has failed miserably. Every Single One! Doesn't matter if it was expanding the business, individual or group weightloss & exercise projects (they were increasingly embarrassing each time they sunk without trace & shall never be mentioned again), the book, mainstream radio personality (particularly excruciating & definitely not mainstream), there's just too many to mention!

But, he gets a new group of enablers every now & again, & because he can be such a plausible salesman, off he goes again with new lot all backing him in his latest plans for world domination

I'm hopeful now we've got outlets he can't control, we're putting the pieces together for those none the wiser & we can finally get him stopped.

Apologies for waffling on, I'm full of cold & not too lucid!

You’re so right. Every single one of us have been unwitting enablers who have since seen the light. I just hope we continue to bring people to enlightenment. We’re not far off 100 now…

get well soon!

 

[Coconutclub]

I just read it wrong, maybe it was freudian. It took me ages to decipher thats not what it said.

I got that!! ✌ its all good.

 

[anon19801980]

Riddle me this….
If it’s not a diet then why do so many members ask for help when they’ve fallen “off plan” or “off the wagon” or “made poor choices” or “I’m holiday so deserve it”?
Surely if it’s not a diet none of the above terms would apply

 

[DansBarmyArmy]

Riddle me this….
If it’s not a diet then why do so many members ask for help when they’ve fallen “off plan” or “off the wagon” or “made poor choices” or “I’m holiday so deserve it”?
Surely if it’s not a diet none of the above terms would apply

And also if its a 16 week plan why did his most recent competition winner win a years membership to 8020?

 

[anon19801980]

And also if its a 16 week plan why did his most recent competition winner win a years membership to 8020?

You’ve got the same thought process as me that’s for sure.
Do you think that’s because we all know……IT’S A DIET!!!!
The fact people continue to use these terms means the mindset work doesn’t work either or you wouldn’t use that language anymore, right?!

 

[DansBarmyArmy]

You’ve got the same thought process as me that’s for sure.
Do you think that’s because we all know……IT’S A DIET!!!!
The fact people continue to use these terms means the mindset work doesn’t work either or you wouldn’t use that language anymore, right?!

Honestly dont start me off. Like his most recent revelation - it was apparently always meant to be a 52 week programme, and '' we are in the process of recording more content ''
duck off Wheeler, its either a 16 week programme or it isnt. Stop conning people for more cash. Bellend.

 

[Craftyh]

This is his last cycle, with all that’s here now and trust pilot - he’s finished. He relied on his looks to lure some of us in and they’ve gone down the shitter

 

[anon19801980]

This is his last cycle, with all that’s here now and trust pilot - he’s finished. He relied on his looks to lure some of us in and they’ve gone down the shitter

I hate to say it but I hope this is the start of the end so he can concentrate on getting the help he so badly needs and his customer base can spend their money elsewhere.
Once this is all over we should all meet up to have a cathartic sharing session of our individual stories at the hands of this man/plan/god knows what else and then all raise a glass to our awesomeness