Dan Wheeler 8020 #10 All my lives are done and dusted, they stopped me posting - I can’t be trusted

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JCMSadie said:
He thought he was gonna get 200...couldn't even get 100. So I don't think anyone needs to worry about missing out on the "limited" amount of codes. If he couldn't get 100 people interested when there was a chance it was free, he sure as tit isn't going to get 100 when they have to pay for it 🤣



So basically, it's him/the business that needs to be insured and ensuring that those holding the classes are appropriately qualified?

Hard to prove. People should have a right to check he's insured but they can't even get him to cough up the qualifications he'd need to be insured in the first place. Makes me doubt he's insured at all...but how to prove it?

Did someone say some of the classes were done by a member? Good chance she isn't qualified, if she's signed up to a scam like 80/20...
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pretty much AND they need to be exclusive and him assess them even basically.

The gym instructor course is barely a thing to show a professional set up.

But Harold Shipman

Emj7969 said:
That’s fascinating - I’d be almost certain he didn’t update his insurance to cover what is going on
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He wont have bespoke insurance, he thinks the 8020 plan is bespoke to you.

The insurance is the opposite though, like, yeah you're covered but only in your lane...the higher up the quals the wider your scope.

An online only PT course will likley be 1-2-1 only and maybe some basic classes such as circuits. This is easier in a mainstream gym as we all sign waivers at sign up.

I was thinking that once again he's advertising a massive falsehood and that people are receiving fitness classes from people that are not remotely qualified to (although to be isnt that hard for basic classes)
 
JCMSadie said:
He thought he was gonna get 200...couldn't even get 100. So I don't think anyone needs to worry about missing out on the "limited" amount of codes. If he couldn't get 100 people interested when there was a chance it was free, he sure as tit isn't going to get 100 when they have to pay for it 🤣



So basically, it's him/the business that needs to be insured and ensuring that those holding the classes are appropriately qualified?

Hard to prove. People should have a right to check he's insured but they can't even get him to cough up the qualifications he'd need to be insured in the first place. Makes me doubt he's insured at all...but how to prove it?

Did someone say some of the classes were done by a member? Good chance she isn't qualified, if she's signed up to a scam like 80/20...
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she was a member when I was in there at the start of the year, but I do believe she teaches classes at a gym or similar so I think she does have some sort of qualification
 

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I’ve been crunching numbers again.
Let’s suppose he is paying the equivalent of 10 staff £9 an hour full time. (Accounting for most of the staff being part time - but I’m sure the majority are also on more than £9 an hour ……. So this is probably a BEST case scenario for him).

With oncosts of about 20% that would mean his monthly staffing bill is circa £17k. That’s without insurances, website hosting, bank service charges, lawyer fees, accountancy fees, business manager fees (who is probably ‘consulting’), petrol costs, all the other expenses you need ………

Let’s guess Income from Customers - 30 x £50 = 1,500. / 20 x £100 = 2,000

573 (in the academy) - 30? paying £50 and 20? Paying £100 leaves 523.
523 - 17 staff = 506

506 x £25 = 12,650

12650 + 2000 + 1500 = £16,150

So I’m pretty sure he’s now at a point where he is making a monthly loss just on staffing costs alone……… that’s assuming he has 20 people on the VIP. (He might have more)! BUT - I’m suggesting the business is now in massive financial trouble.

What we’re doing is working!!!!! Let’s keep doing it. TCHQ for the win.

#2 death threat receiver over and out.

PS - MattDan ……. People see the false narrative. They see it. They know you’re a bunch of scammers misspelling a product that is not as described and doesn’t work. Even other trainers on TT are calling out your nonsense…… qualified trainers who know their stuff.

We are NOT trolls. We are your worst nightmare…….. we are WHISTLEBLOWERS - shouting loud to as many people as we can ……and people are reviewing our evidence - watching your actions and seeing that WE ARE THE TRUTH TELLERS.

Liars always get found out.
 
Emj7969 said:
I’ve been crunching numbers again.
Let’s suppose he is paying the equivalent of 10 staff £9 an hour full time. (Accounting for most of the staff being part time - but I’m sure the majority are also on more than £9 an hour ……. So this is probably a BEST case scenario for him).

With oncosts of about 20% that would mean his monthly staffing bill is circa £17k. That’s without insurances, website hosting, bank service charges, lawyer fees, accountancy fees, business manager fees (who is probably ‘consulting’), petrol costs, all the other expenses you need ………

Let’s guess Income from Customers - 30 x £50 = 1,500. / 20 x £100 = 2,000

573 (in the academy) - 30? paying £50 and 20? Paying £100 leaves 523.
523 - 17 staff = 506

506 x £25 = 12,650

12650 + 2000 + 1500 = £16,150

So I’m pretty sure he’s now at a point where he is making a monthly loss just on staffing costs alone……… that’s assuming he has 20 people on the VIP. (He might have more)! BUT - I’m suggesting the business is now in massive financial trouble.

What we’re doing is working!!!!! Let’s keep doing it. TCHQ for the win.

#2 death threat receiver over and out.

PS - MattDan ……. People see the false narrative. They see it. They know you’re a bunch of scammers misspelling a product that is not as described and doesn’t work. Even other trainers on TT are calling out your nonsense…… qualified trainers who know their stuff.

We are NOT trolls. We are your worst nightmare…….. we are WHISTLEBLOWERS - shouting loud to as many people as we can ……and people are reviewing our evidence - watching your actions and seeing that WE ARE THE TRUTH TELLERS.

Liars always get found out.
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🎤

Nothing more to say other than bravo

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
 
LonestarTT said:
Thank you Sadie, Em and all who are over it, dont know to multi quote.

The reason Im asking, and Im not sure if its required for whats going on. Or what claims he is making.

So the context.

CIMPSA and Reps (UK Coaching) split into two distinct categories, databasing and industry insurance.

So you dont get individualised insurance you get a blanket industry one, as a result there are quite strict terms on certain elements.

So to be "insured" and not sure if they need to be to walk in their kitchen but this is a business providing a service, you can only teach/coach in the scope of the qualification from your governing body. So you cant be a swimming teacher because you are a triathlon coach per se. However, you can do a L2 Gym instructor/fitness class wholly online.

Anyway, if he is providing a service and insured to do so, he can only be insured within the scope of his qualification, his "staff" come under this only if they are really staff and have T&Cs to adhere to his rules AND be suitably qualified to coach/teach. So to continue the analogy if he hired a swimming coach under DW8020 it would fall under his insurance but HE cannot teach that. As you may imagine for such a generic PT qualification "scope" is arguable.

But if his insurance covers online (this is extra but he could afford easily enough) there are conditions that need to be met. Every participant needs to have a basic screen such as a PAR-Q which we've all seen I imagine, plus the classes need to be taught by suitably qualified people, qualified being endorsed by a governing body (the higher you go the wider the scope), plus the classes need to be exclusive to people signed up to him and suitably screened, the insurer recommends password access.

So if he doesnt call it a class, or claim its insured etc etc. So even recordings need to be warning which I think someone said was pinned.

Again not sure hence the questions, but if they are classes as part of his plan, ie people are paying him exclusively for them then these conditions need to be met to be insured but Im not sure the UK gives a tit about needing to be insured.
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Do you remember when he listed his staff? If someone still has access they can check but I've got a feeling he employs them as contractors so they have to be qualified and insured themselves not by him. I know the instructor I still follow does other classes in person and online separate from 80/20 but I dunno about the others
 
smb said:
Do you remember when he listed his staff? If someone still has access they can check but I've got a feeling he employs them as contractors so they have to be qualified and insured themselves not by him. I know the instructor I still follow does other classes in person and online separate from 80/20 but I dunno about the others
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I'm pretty sure Nicky was hired as a contractor

smb said:
Do you remember when he listed his staff? If someone still has access they can check but I've got a feeling he employs them as contractors so they have to be qualified and insured themselves not by him. I know the instructor I still follow does other classes in person and online separate from 80/20 but I dunno about the others
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I'm pretty sure Nicky was hired as a contractor
 
Emj7969 said:
I’ve been crunching numbers again.
Let’s suppose he is paying the equivalent of 10 staff £9 an hour full time. (Accounting for most of the staff being part time - but I’m sure the majority are also on more than £9 an hour ……. So this is probably a BEST case scenario for him).

With oncosts of about 20% that would mean his monthly staffing bill is circa £17k. That’s without insurances, website hosting, bank service charges, lawyer fees, accountancy fees, business manager fees (who is probably ‘consulting’), petrol costs, all the other expenses you need ………

Let’s guess Income from Customers - 30 x £50 = 1,500. / 20 x £100 = 2,000

573 (in the academy) - 30? paying £50 and 20? Paying £100 leaves 523.
523 - 17 staff = 506

506 x £25 = 12,650

12650 + 2000 + 1500 = £16,150

So I’m pretty sure he’s now at a point where he is making a monthly loss just on staffing costs alone……… that’s assuming he has 20 people on the VIP. (He might have more)! BUT - I’m suggesting the business is now in massive financial trouble.

What we’re doing is working!!!!! Let’s keep doing it. TCHQ for the win.

#2 death threat receiver over and out.

PS - MattDan ……. People see the false narrative. They see it. They know you’re a bunch of scammers misspelling a product that is not as described and doesn’t work. Even other trainers on TT are calling out your nonsense…… qualified trainers who know their stuff.

We are NOT trolls. We are your worst nightmare…….. we are WHISTLEBLOWERS - shouting loud to as many people as we can ……and people are reviewing our evidence - watching your actions and seeing that WE ARE THE TRUTH TELLERS.

Liars always get found out.
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I think we’re incorrect to assume he pays wages in the normal way.
I recall an advert for a role he posted months ago saying his strong preference was to pay on performance, so no salary but payment in commission only (classic sales tactics and “this time next year we could be millionaires” ethos).
 
Emj7969 said:
I’ve been crunching numbers again.
Let’s suppose he is paying the equivalent of 10 staff £9 an hour full time. (Accounting for most of the staff being part time - but I’m sure the majority are also on more than £9 an hour ……. So this is probably a BEST case scenario for him).

With oncosts of about 20% that would mean his monthly staffing bill is circa £17k. That’s without insurances, website hosting, bank service charges, lawyer fees, accountancy fees, business manager fees (who is probably ‘consulting’), petrol costs, all the other expenses you need ………

Let’s guess Income from Customers - 30 x £50 = 1,500. / 20 x £100 = 2,000

573 (in the academy) - 30? paying £50 and 20? Paying £100 leaves 523.
523 - 17 staff = 506

506 x £25 = 12,650

12650 + 2000 + 1500 = £16,150

So I’m pretty sure he’s now at a point where he is making a monthly loss just on staffing costs alone……… that’s assuming he has 20 people on the VIP. (He might have more)! BUT - I’m suggesting the business is now in massive financial trouble.

What we’re doing is working!!!!! Let’s keep doing it. TCHQ for the win.

#2 death threat receiver over and out.

PS - MattDan ……. People see the false narrative. They see it. They know you’re a bunch of scammers misspelling a product that is not as described and doesn’t work. Even other trainers on TT are calling out your nonsense…… qualified trainers who know their stuff.

We are NOT trolls. We are your worst nightmare…….. we are WHISTLEBLOWERS - shouting loud to as many people as we can ……and people are reviewing our evidence - watching your actions and seeing that WE ARE THE TRUTH TELLERS.

Liars always get found out.
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Couldn’t have said it better!👏👏👏
 
anon19801980 said:
I think we’re incorrect to assume he pays wages in the normal way.
I recall an advert for a role he posted months ago saying his strong preference was to pay on performance, so no salary but payment in commission only (classic sales tactics and “this time next year we could be millionaires” ethos).
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I think that works for Rebecca but not people like Lois and Gill etc - but I know what you mean
 
I'd be very surprised if he's set himself up as an employer with hmrc, unless he's using a bookeeper to keep paperwork & wages reporting in order. Staff need written terms of employmentat at the very least, laws governing holidays & sick leave, & health & safety regulations if more than 5 employees too

All the 'stuff' he admits he's rubbish at.
 
Emj7969 said:
I’ve been crunching numbers again.
Let’s suppose he is paying the equivalent of 10 staff £9 an hour full time. (Accounting for most of the staff being part time - but I’m sure the majority are also on more than £9 an hour ……. So this is probably a BEST case scenario for him).

With oncosts of about 20% that would mean his monthly staffing bill is circa £17k. That’s without insurances, website hosting, bank service charges, lawyer fees, accountancy fees, business manager fees (who is probably ‘consulting’), petrol costs, all the other expenses you need ………

Let’s guess Income from Customers - 30 x £50 = 1,500. / 20 x £100 = 2,000

573 (in the academy) - 30? paying £50 and 20? Paying £100 leaves 523.
523 - 17 staff = 506

506 x £25 = 12,650

12650 + 2000 + 1500 = £16,150

So I’m pretty sure he’s now at a point where he is making a monthly loss just on staffing costs alone……… that’s assuming he has 20 people on the VIP. (He might have more)! BUT - I’m suggesting the business is now in massive financial trouble.

What we’re doing is working!!!!! Let’s keep doing it. TCHQ for the win.

#2 death threat receiver over and out.

PS - MattDan ……. People see the false narrative. They see it. They know you’re a bunch of scammers misspelling a product that is not as described and doesn’t work. Even other trainers on TT are calling out your nonsense…… qualified trainers who know their stuff.

We are NOT trolls. We are your worst nightmare…….. we are WHISTLEBLOWERS - shouting loud to as many people as we can ……and people are reviewing our evidence - watching your actions and seeing that WE ARE THE TRUTH TELLERS.

Liars always get found out.
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Masterclass in how not to run a business.
There is no need for all the staff - he doesn't need Nessa and Sean who are probably the biggest expense. He could easily do lives on his own - keep them focussed and on nutrition - much more efficient for those listening too. I like to listen to the Hench Herbivore he does lives on his own or occasionally with his wife - they're filmed in his home - he has a green screen behind him so no distractions and just sticks to plant based nutrition and answering questions. Lots of PTs do this, there is no need for Dan to have a 'show' with co-hosts and employing someone to film. I would even say that he could do the classes too - like Joe Wicks did when he started out (although IMO Dan isn't fit enough to do daily classes).
His problem is he just wants to be a boss - the main man surrounded by people he has power over because he employs them.
 
IfTheCapFits said:
I'd be very surprised if he's set himself up as an employer with hmrc, unless he's using a bookeeper to keep paperwork & wages reporting in order. Staff need written terms of employmentat at the very least, laws governing holidays & sick leave, & health & safety regulations if more than 5 employees too

All the 'stuff' he admits he's rubbish at.
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You can bet your bottom dollar hes not paying PAYE for those staff.

Coconutclub said:
Masterclass in how not to run a business.
There is no need for all the staff - he doesn't need Nessa and Sean who are probably the biggest expense. He could easily do lives on his own - keep them focussed and on nutrition - much more efficient for those listening too. I like to listen to the Hench Herbivore he does lives on his own or occasionally with his wife - they're filmed in his home - he has a green screen behind him so no distractions and just sticks to plant based nutrition and answering questions. Lots of PTs do this, there is no need for Dan to have a 'show' with co-hosts and employing someone to film. I would even say that he could do the classes too - like Joe Wicks did when he started out (although IMO Dan isn't fit enough to do daily classes).
His problem is he just wants to be a boss - the main man surrounded by people he has power over because he employs them.
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Spot on. Back in Feb/March when he used to do the lives on his own he was much more focussed. Then the TT blew up and it literally went to his head. It became the car crash known as the Dan Wheeler Show.

He has admitted before hes the type of person who cant be alone and needs people round him.

RachRN86 said:
I honestly find it hard to believe 80/20 runs anything like a business. I don't think people are paid properly, I cant imagine Dan doing any kind of admin let alone worrying about insurance etc
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He's Half a job Harry with everything else he does so my guess is that his in house admin is equally as slapdash.
 
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