typenowregretlater
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Don’t bother they’re not going to believe you on here
Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #99
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jackolantern
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It’s easy to think masks are minor if you can personally tolerate wearing them. My partner works full time in a polytunnel - he certainly wouldn’t agree masks are a minor inconvenience when he’s struggling to breathe with no breeze and near 100% humidity, in 35+ degree temperatures.
footylass2021
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That’s true , I had my own friends who knew what I did for years as a job then got all stupid and silly when we launched the vaccine , I was like I’ve being doing this tit for years manDon’t bother they’re not going to believe you on here
typenowregretlater
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Haha I literally don’t even bother to attempt to explain in real life anymore, I’ll definitely end up losing friends
Oh c'mon Ooh, who's being patronising now!
We both know it's not about having to wear a mask, it's the lying about Xmas, unlocking, locking... oh no.. maybe unlocking... nope, unlocking with bizarre mixes rules, ID cards, no cards, domestic passports won't happen, yeh they will, no they won't, might happen... now looking likely to happen only if your vaxxed.
Not mandating a vaccine, now mandating it so you can work.
No one knows where they stand!
Thats not bring a CT or over thinking, it's what's happened this year!
I am however always up for a street party though - mask free?
absolutely mask free party, or you can wear 3
It’s your choice.this things have been happing all over the world though, some countries refused to put any restrictions in place and then went on to regret it, the uk was one of the first to hold off doing anything but many others made just as many mistakes or opened too early and regretted it, never locked down at all and regretted it, personally I think ireland are making a mistake atm bu not opening up more,
im not saying there aren’t some things we should be concerned about or question, you know I agree with some of the questions around all this tit, I just think some of the smaller things are blown out of proportion and it’s too soon to know what will happen, passports for hospitality or travel won’t be a long term thing, it can’t, it will kill off the tourism and hospitality industry.
these constant speculations are to encourage the young to go book a vaccine because they’re not, despite so many positive reports about uptake they’re not applying for it.
but the mask mandate and SD restrictions are pretty much lifted now for you all, which CT’s said wouldn’t happen
Vaccine thread guys.....
To COVID vaccine, or not to vaccine? #3
Honestly I've been torn the whole way through. I had it because I want to get out of this mess we're in as a country (not sure if I'll have contributed at all and not saying those who don't have it aren't contributing either!!) But I'm just not sure if I have helped at all. Luckily I've had...
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footylass2021
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monga
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Yes but it hasn’t been given to the public for that length of time , there’s billions of vaccines that are being worked on for different things that’s why clinical and RWT are important we can’t just shove anything into our bodies because it looks good in a test tube.
no no, just the arguments and conversations that could scare people when it comes to the vaccine are now on the vaccine thread,
I love a good debate, I have my own thoughts on all this and would happily join in, but I think people on here who might be anxious reading about the side effects and arguments around it being an experiment should have the option to avoid them and that thread if its going to upset them, and the conversation was getting..... heated.
and probably best continued over there.
Prefrontalmedialcortex
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no no, just the arguments and conversations that could scare people when it comes to the vaccine are now on the vaccine thread,
I love a good debate, I have my own thoughts on all this and would happily join in, but I think people on here who might be anxious reading about the side effects and arguments around it being an experiment should have the option to avoid them and that thread if its going to upset them, and the conversation was getting..... heated.
Agreed, there are a lot of people who are anxious about many things and a lot of comments on here will not help.
I think I was looking at the wrong thread
I posted on the ‘To Covid vaccine, or not to vaccine’ thread or did I post here and then it got moved to the other thread. 
I don’t know.
Agreed, there are a lot of people who are anxious about many things and a lot of comments on here will not help.
I think I was looking at the wrong thread
no posts have been removed, just chucked over there when it goes a bit vaccine conversion - explicit content
Prefrontalmedialcortex
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no posts have been removed, just chucked over there when it goes a bit vaccine conversion - explicit content
For a moment I thought I was going mad.
Too many Covid related threads to keep up with. I’m still hoping that one day you’ll agree to a Pro-Vaccine thread. 
emerald
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Just to get this off my chest: I'm starting to find it really... corny? that people on TV and some other venues perform a lot of social distancing and safety measures but in the supermarket I work in, people (staff and customers) are crawling over each other not giving a monkeys. TV really is fake.
monga
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That’s a great ideaFor a moment I thought I was going mad.
I think many people don't know how medication or vaccine approval works. The fundamental principles are that humans cannot predict the future (but we try) and few things in the body occur in a linear, cause and effect way. Let's say someone develops a drug X to cure acne. They noticed that drug X helps clear acne. Let's say they run a study where over 3 months, they show that in 80% of people, the acne gets better. First of all 3 months is a somewhat arbitrary choice (like in any trial, mainly because it is not practical to test a drug forever though there is post-approval surveillance). They show that that drug X helps 80% of people. But how do you define "better" well let's say the scientists choose that means people get 1 less breakout or they could have chosen 50% fewer blackheads...you can see how better/effectiveness depends on what we chose as the endpoint (like in the vaccine trials, the major endpoint was not that you wouldn't get infected at all but that you wouldn't end up with serious disease defined by hospitalization). Let's say the drug company even has some proof that the drug X causes pores to contract and push out blackheads. So now, this drug X even has a biologically plausible mechanism and so the drug gets approval (assuming no major side effects in the trial). The average layperson assumes that this drug "treats" acne but actually, it only "treats" it in so far that 80% of people might get 50% fewer blackheads (and maybe just as many nodules...). So for any individual, we can't predict that the drug will work for them/that they are the 80%. So you wouldn't call this drug "experimental" and certainly having met standards way above what I've laid down here, the vaccines are not experimental simply because humans can't predict every long term effect/possibility! I think many people worried about the vaccines would readily take drug X as I have described here. I mean some people will even take wild amounts of vitamin D when we know for sure that can paradoxically make bones weaker! What's the difference between taking the vaccine and the wild amounts of supposedly "natural" vitamin D? Not evidence or science based but just people thinking that they know better and not understanding the actual basis of what it means for a drug to "work."
However, let's say in 20 years, someone shows for some people who took drug X they have a 5x increase chance of simple squamous skin cancer. However, this only occurs in people with blue skin. So this is what I mean by even if drug X does something for acne it might also have other effects on the body that aren't immediately obvious. Some effects may be harmful like skin cancer (but what if it is treatable in 99% of cases), would that make you feel differently about taking that risk? I can understand people's concerns about long terms effects. And this is where someone might weigh what they think are perceived short and long term benefits/harms and the calculation is going to vary if you have blue skin or not. Because bodies are so complex, almost every drug has almost every possible side effect...and especially if the drug/vaccine is being given to so many people, it is almost every side effect will appear so it's not abnormal, that new observations about the vaccine are coming up.
In a true conspiracy, I would suspect such a vaccine/population control drug would be too good to be true, like lack so many side effects or careful post-approval monitoring!
Also what if in this fictional world, acne increases the chance of skin cancer by 4x....then the calculation becomes even harder. So when people are bantering about this and that side effect, I have to roll my eyes so hard. For example, COVID INFECTION causes myocarditis on the order of 2-5% versus COVID vaccine 16 cases per million 2nd dose. Can't compare those numbers directly (for various reasons), but the risk is clearly lower with the vaccine.
For most drugs, individuals make choice for themselves. Unfortunately for public health problems like communicable disease, when individuals opt out of vaccination and decrease the possibility of herd immunity, they increase risk and harms to other people. I think as a society we are struggling with whether such individuals should take any responsibility for that.
However, let's say in 20 years, someone shows for some people who took drug X they have a 5x increase chance of simple squamous skin cancer. However, this only occurs in people with blue skin. So this is what I mean by even if drug X does something for acne it might also have other effects on the body that aren't immediately obvious. Some effects may be harmful like skin cancer (but what if it is treatable in 99% of cases), would that make you feel differently about taking that risk? I can understand people's concerns about long terms effects. And this is where someone might weigh what they think are perceived short and long term benefits/harms and the calculation is going to vary if you have blue skin or not. Because bodies are so complex, almost every drug has almost every possible side effect...and especially if the drug/vaccine is being given to so many people, it is almost every side effect will appear so it's not abnormal, that new observations about the vaccine are coming up.
In a true conspiracy, I would suspect such a vaccine/population control drug would be too good to be true, like lack so many side effects or careful post-approval monitoring!
Also what if in this fictional world, acne increases the chance of skin cancer by 4x....then the calculation becomes even harder. So when people are bantering about this and that side effect, I have to roll my eyes so hard. For example, COVID INFECTION causes myocarditis on the order of 2-5% versus COVID vaccine 16 cases per million 2nd dose. Can't compare those numbers directly (for various reasons), but the risk is clearly lower with the vaccine.
For most drugs, individuals make choice for themselves. Unfortunately for public health problems like communicable disease, when individuals opt out of vaccination and decrease the possibility of herd immunity, they increase risk and harms to other people. I think as a society we are struggling with whether such individuals should take any responsibility for that.
monga
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This is the updated guidance for CEVhttps://www.gov.uk/government/publi...clinically-extremely-vulnerable-from-covid-19
What’s the hats for?
What’s the hats for?
Yes I think it’s meant to be confetti? To go with the hats tho I don’t know why? It started at midnight!
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