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https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...reedom-Day-wear-mask-supermarket-July-19.html

Interesting to know what businesses plan to do from next week. Disappointing so many haven't said when they have had long enough to know what they want.
 
typenowregretlater said:
so you're just speculating?


to give some perspective

i don't know anyone who has died from the vaccine and or anyone who was unwell enough to see a doctor

i know a lot of people who have died from covid or needed hospital admission

just think its good to give other viewpoints
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Exactly, and that is what I was doing. Normally only one viewpoint is allowed and its most certainly not mine and I normally have to post it in a CT thread even tho it's not a CT. But these last few weeks more people are speaking out. That's a good thing. You cannot give informed consent without being fully informed.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...reedom-Day-wear-mask-supermarket-July-19.html

Interesting to know what businesses plan to do from next week. Disappointing so many haven't said when they have had long enough to know what they want.
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Businesses will do what brings them the most money. They will play it by ear and if more people take off the masks they will say they are not needed.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
If that carries on masks will have to be reintroduced that haven't been removed as we are still told to wear them.

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...ough-winter-ahead-says-lockdown-unlikely.html
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That’s people that would’ve been infected about 2 weeks ago I wonder what the numbers will be in another 2 weeks.
 
Purrrrrrr said:
Exactly, and that is what I was doing. Normally only one viewpoint is allowed and its most certainly not mine and I normally have to post it in a CT thread even tho it's not a CT. But these last few weeks more people are speaking out. That's a good thing. You cannot give informed consent without being fully informed.
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Agreed hence my post

what is a CT?
 
I know everyone has different anxiety levels regarding covid and the restrictions put in place but I don't feel like supermarkets or shops are particularly crowded places. My understanding is that the virus is passed by prolonged face to face contact so face-to-face contact within one metre or having been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes. Walking past someone or reaching past them to pick up can of beans won't expose you in this way.
 
typenowregretlater said:
thanks

i mean i haven't heard of the vaccine causing leukaemia but its good to share your experiences

hope all of your friends who are suffering have reported their symptoms via the yellow card scheme
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There are a huge amount of blood disorders on the yellow card reporting system. One has reported the others not, just like most people don't report things, there have been many here who have had reactions but think I have only seen one say they reported it.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
I don't think people need to be too bright to see what's happening before our very eyes bit by bit. It will lead to anarchy like South Africa have.

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...rs-raid-Durban-warehouses-riots-escalate.html
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You will be pleased to know that these disturbances were sparked by the Zuma case, not covid restrictions.

That said, from the report (on the BBC no less, proving they are not very good at this cover up thing but that's something for another thread) it could be seen that people were taking action to save themselves from the national telly and sofa shortage so top marks to them for getting their priorities right.
 
Tyla73 said:
I know everyone has different anxiety levels regarding covid and the restrictions put in place but I don't feel like supermarkets or shops are particularly crowded places. My understanding is that the virus is passed by prolonged face to face contact so face-to-face contact within one metre or having been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes. Walking past someone or reaching past them to pick up can of beans won't expose you in this way.
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Not the Delta ,apparently the Ozzies have discovered it takes seconds to infect someone just from passing by from a good distance, there's footage from a mall of an infected man passing a woman outside a cafe who later tested positive .
 
My anxiety is through the roof this week 😣 I don’t know how much longer I can cope with this in/out lockdown situation, impending sense of doom and not being able to plan anything. I haven’t felt this bad since March 2020 when we were shutting down and we haven’t even opened back up yet! Part of me honestly thinks we won’t actually make it to July 19th without then u-turning again. What is the point of a life where every day is a constant worry we will get our freedom taken off us? I really don’t see this ending.
 
typenowregretlater said:
I have a lot of friends who are adult medics in London hospitals. I can only give their experience in London - cases are picking up, with younger people presenting more often. They’re seeing people in their 30s to 40s who are sick but don’t necessarily need admission for breathing support.

This is in stark contrast to the first two “waves”. I was moved to adult A&E and I often encountered people in their 50s-60s presenting pre-terminal, I mean if they weren’t given the breathing mask immediately, they would definitely die. The wards were horrendous. People dying left, right and dented. It was terrifying, I felt like I was in a real life horror movie.

So things are better now compared to the first two waves. Long covid is awful though.

I will continue to take every precaution I can because I cannot take the risk of suffering with long covid.

I only know of two colleagues who got covid twice but this has to be taken in the context of us being double vaccinated by late December…I really don’t know how much immunity we have now. A
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Sounds horrifying to be honest.

Do they know if the younger ones this time coming in had been vaccinated in most cases?

I’m glad it doesn’t sound as bad as the first two waves really hope it’s getting more under control.
 
www.telegraph.co.uk

Covid passports and masks required at sporting events in England after July 19

Exclusive: Government will issue guidance which could put fans' cherished pre-match routines under threat
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

what …like everyone wearing a mask at the Euros?! I honestly feel like I’m going to explode today at the sheer hypocrisy and mixed messages. I’ve just spent the last hour crying because I feel like the world is just sort of closing in around me again. I might take a break off the Internet and turn news alerts off on my phone.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:

Corona passport | A safe and efficient reopening of society | Netcompany

www.netcompany.com www.netcompany.com

That's the future. Your face on digital ID so you cannot pass on your vaccine passport by passing your phone to a mate to get in a pub for example.
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ID cards have been bubbling under the surface in the UK for decades and from time to time one party or another gets convinced it's their turn to take up that mantle and fortunately the only success since the last war was short-lived.
Annoyingly of course the ones that got rid of it seem intent on bringing it back.

Cert+ID for stuff booked in advance or things like travel where you'd have to have your passport, fair enough but for everyday things, absolutely not.
Though it's possible that in the UK at least it would be hindered by default - places open to the public can be closed or open but conditional entry I think would require something specific legally defined and that's where the objections and court cases start.

They can talk about it but implementation I think would fall flat before it even got off the ground.
 
Pixipoppy said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Covid passports and masks required at sporting events in England after July 19

Exclusive: Government will issue guidance which could put fans' cherished pre-match routines under threat
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

what …like everyone wearing a mask at the Euros?! I honestly feel like I’m going to explode today at the sheer hypocrisy and mixed messages. I’ve just spent the last hour crying because I feel like the world is just sort of closing in around me again. I might take a break off the Internet and turn news alerts off on my phone.
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It's like living in a very different world to others here at the moment, isn't it? You think how the hell can they not see this doesn't make any sense.

If you do take a break, get out into nature, barefoot if you can, watch some family feel-good films. I take my breaks in my garden its looking amazing and its my meditation. tomorrow im out with the three children to a nature park for tree climbing. (them not me) go recharge, the battle isn't won yet, but it will be
 
monga said:
Not the Delta ,apparently the Ozzies have discovered it takes seconds to infect someone just from passing by from a good distance, there's footage from a mall of an infected man passing a woman outside a cafe who later tested positive .
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But how do they know that the woman definitely contracted Covid from that particular man? If she's out and about she must have come into contact with lots of people. And where is the footage from? Is it from a reliable and reputable source, taken as part of large scale observation? The Australians have not handled things well and have now got themselves into a pickle where they have no immunity in the population at all so I'm not inclined to pay much attention to any 'research' done by them anyway!
 
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