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Hannah_204 said:
It’s just my experience and opinion but it doesn’t make sence to me why people are scared of a vaccine that very few have had bad reactions to but are not scared of a virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
I understand some people haven't experienced friends or family hospitalised or killed by the virus and have seen people crushed my mental health issues and job losses from the lockdowns so I do understand why people are all feeling differently. I just can’t understand why people are afraid of the vaccine but not the virus.
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I'm not sure it's fear for most people it's just some don't believe in a pill for every ill and if they don't fear the virus there's no need to take a vaccine. There's also billions have had it and recovered very well ,you can still get sick and die even with the vaccine it's not 100 % and you don't know how well protected you are until you get the virus just as you don't know if you can fight it naturally until you're infected that's assuming you do get it .
 
footylass2021 said:
Awww how come you left?
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Being completely honest I ended up on long term sick due to the people I was working with… a group of vile bitchy individuals who constantly undermined me and told lies about me. I’m still in the NHS in a much higher pressured environment but haven’t needed a day off due to mental health in over 3 years now!

Not sure if it’s happened to you on here or otherwise but I find an awful lot of people so scathing about R&D now due to the covid vaccine stuff, I’ve been told I’ve been complicit in mass murder, that we’ve all been bought into a government cover up, and the best one was that my masters degree (in clinical research) was only ‘what they want you to hear….’ Isn’t that what teaching is 🤷‍♀️
 
Pixipoppy said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Covid passports and masks required at sporting events in England after July 19

Exclusive: Government will issue guidance which could put fans' cherished pre-match routines under threat
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

what …like everyone wearing a mask at the Euros?! I honestly feel like I’m going to explode today at the sheer hypocrisy and mixed messages. I’ve just spent the last hour crying because I feel like the world is just sort of closing in around me again. I might take a break off the Internet and turn news alerts off on my phone.
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Take some time offline lovely, I am doing the same, its all too much
Take care x
 
monga said:
I'm not sure it's fear for most people it's just some don't believe in a pill for every ill and if they don't fear the virus there's no need to take a vaccine. There's also billions have had it and recovered very well ,you can still get sick and die even with the vaccine it's not 100 % and you don't know how well protected you are until you get the virus just as you don't know if you can fight it naturally until you're infected that's assuming you do get it .
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Oh right so they just want to take their chances kind of thing?
 
MensaBarbie1985 said:
Being completely honest I ended up on long term sick due to the people I was working with… a group of vile bitchy individuals who constantly undermined me and told lies about me. I’m still in the NHS in a much higher pressured environment but haven’t needed a day off due to mental health in over 3 years now!

Not sure if it’s happened to you on here or otherwise but I find an awful lot of people so scathing about R&D now due to the covid vaccine stuff, I’ve been told I’ve been complicit in mass murder, that we’ve all been bought into a government cover up, and the best one was that my masters degree (in clinical research) was only ‘what they want you to hear….’ Isn’t that what teaching is 🤷‍♀️
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Awww so sorry to hear that

I found in my experience I had friends and family totally behind me during the dark days of covid fighting for us to get this vaccine and was totally supportive of my job
soon as the vaccine came out , I was called murderer, told to get a proper job, hope I Rot in hell

such a shame how people soon become sheep’s and follow the opinions of others which is founded from untruths
I can never understand how people think they know better Than the experts in those fields

if I had a brain tumour , I wouldn’t go thinking I was better than a neurosurgeon
 
footylass2021 said:
if I had a brain tumour , I wouldn’t go thinking I was better than a neurosurgeon
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Couldn’t have put it better myself! One thing I can’t get over is how many people have confronted me over a ‘difference of opinion’ - my knowledge and experience = concrete scientific facts, it’s not just my opinion!

I’m not much good at backing down either 😂

so many times Ive been told to ‘do my research’ - I’m guessing 6 years at uni and over a decade working in the area doesn’t count 🤷‍♀️
 
monga said:
I'd doubt very much that would happen on this site the mods are very quick to act on arguments.


I guess so ? some people don't spend their time worrying over things they can't change ,even if you had the vaccine and tested pos is there anything you can do about it 🤷‍♀️
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but with a 97% survival rate that would be over 1.8mill deaths just in the uk. With 200k deaths spread over the year doctors were describing horrific scenes in hospitals. Would people not want to prevent that if they could? I guess it makes no sense to me but people are different.
 
Hannah_204 said:
but with a 97% survival rate that would be over 1.8mill deaths just in the uk. With 200k deaths spread over the year doctors were describing horrific scenes in hospitals. Would people not want to prevent that if they could? I guess it makes no sense to me but people are different.
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People die of car accidents so wouldn't people want cars banned to help make a difference? People get stabbed to death so let's stop selling any type of knife to lower the risk. People that smoke add to the risk of cancer relates deaths so cigs should be banned.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
People die of car accidents so wouldn't people want cars banned to help make a difference? People get stabbed to death so let's stop selling any type of knife to lower the risk. People that smoke add to the risk of cancer relates deaths so cigs should be banned.
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It’s not banning anything their preventative measures like putting your seatbelt on, not drink driving and putting your baby in a car seat
 
Honestly close to tears how people think all this is ok.
Gov telling double vaccinated cev to still not have a life means my scared to death parents who were never in before March 2020 still won't leave the house or let me through their door, even though I'm 99% sure they had very bad covid February 2020. And survived.
Before covid I worked to visit my family and friends in Malta and Australia twice a year, not only have I not seen them but I'm told I can't unless I have an unnecessary ( in my view) injection. It's my body and it doesn't matter what anybody says about the vaccine, I won't be having it, I don't take any medicines other than the odd paracetamol. I'm tearful and angry that people are letting this happen. I had covid badly before the first lockdown, I am never having an unnecessary jab just to go abroad/concerts etc.
So I'm left feeling " what is the bloody point ☹".
A young member of my family who HAS HAD covid mildly and who always has bad reactions to medication has said they are getting the vaccine this week because "to go to concerts and peer pressure" 🤬.
I feel so let down by people and feel alone.
@jackolantern your posts today on both threads have summed up my feelings at the moment. It's getting worse imo. And it's not helped by peoples attitudes. It's so hard to get motivated anymore.
Meanwhile if you have money or are famous the world is your oyster.
And p.s. no-one I know is saying they are scared of getting the vaccine as a reason not to have it. Not everyone likes to rely on pharmaceuticals.
 
Just seen a local cafe explaining how they’ll operate from Monday
Saying their keeping track and trace as it’s a legal requirement
I thought it was scrapped and you no longer needed to scan in places?
 
Hannah_204 said:
but with a 97% survival rate that would be over 1.8mill deaths just in the uk. With 200k deaths spread over the year doctors were describing horrific scenes in hospitals. Would people not want to prevent that if they could? I guess it makes no sense to me but people are different.
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That's not guaranteed they're just surmising ,I don't even think that's based on the Delta variant as Vallance said it was the Kent they had based their modelling on and as we can see Israel have already started giving boosters to people as it's not as robust as they thought ,efficacy will change with every variant .
 
monga said:
That's not guaranteed they're just surmising ,I don't even think that's based on the Delta variant as Vallance said it was the Kent they had based their modelling on and as we can see Israel have already started giving boosters to people as it's not as robust as they thought ,efficacy will change with every variant .
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If you look at this wave in the uk vs wave one and two Hospitalisations and deaths are massively down vs infections. It’s obviously not fool proof and of course variants will make it’s effectiveness change but it is proven to have made a huge difference. What I’m saying is people not being vaccinated and suddenly going back to normal could be horrific and I can’t understand why people would want to risk that, we’re lucky that it’s a small amount.
 
Podular said:
Honestly close to tears how people think all this is ok.
Gov telling double vaccinated cev to still not have a life means my scared to death parents who were never in before March 2020 still won't leave the house or let me through their door, even though I'm 99% sure they had very bad covid February 2020. And survived.
Before covid I worked to visit my family and friends in Malta and Australia twice a year, not only have I not seen them but I'm told I can't unless I have an unnecessary ( in my view) injection. It's my body and it doesn't matter what anybody says about the vaccine, I won't be having it, I don't take any medicines other than the odd paracetamol. I'm tearful and angry that people are letting this happen. I had covid badly before the first lockdown, I am never having an unnecessary jab just to go abroad/concerts etc.
So I'm left feeling " what is the bloody point ☹".
A young member of my family who HAS HAD covid mildly and who always has bad reactions to medication has said they are getting the vaccine this week because "to go to concerts and peer pressure" 🤬.
I feel so let down by people and feel alone.
@jackolantern your posts today on both threads have summed up my feelings at the moment. It's getting worse imo. And it's not helped by peoples attitudes. It's so hard to get motivated anymore.
Meanwhile if you have money or are famous the world is your oyster.
And p.s. no-one I know is saying they are scared of getting the vaccine as a reason not to have it. Not everyone likes to rely on pharmaceuticals.
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But Malta and Australia can decide to do whatever they want with their own countries as you can with your own body.
 
Hannah_204 said:
If you look at this wave in the uk vs wave one and two Hospitalisations and deaths are massively down vs infections. It’s obviously not fool proof and of course variants will make it’s effectiveness change but it is proven to have made a huge difference. What I’m saying is people not being vaccinated and suddenly going back to normal could be horrific and I can’t understand why people would want to risk that, we’re lucky that it’s a small amount.
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But there were different factors at play, the first wave it hit the old people ,the second it was 60/70 yr olds this one seems to be hitting kids and young people that are not at high risk of hospitalisation. Whitty said we're not changing the amount of people dying we're only going into a slower wave .The vaccines aren't stopping symptomatic infections so vaccinated people are still catching and passing it on that's why America ,Israel ,France , Germany etc are keeping the measures and have brought back masks even for fully vaccinated, it's only the UK that are choosing to drop them when infections are growing .

 
monga said:
But there were different factors at play, the first wave it hit the old people ,the second it was 60/70 yr olds this one seems to be hitting kids and young people that are not at high risk of hospitalisation. Whitty said we're not changing the amount of people dying we're only going into a slower wave .The vaccines aren't stopping symptomatic infections so vaccinated people are still catching and passing it on that's why America ,Israel ,France , Germany etc are keeping the measures and have brought back masks even for fully vaccinated, it's only the UK that are choosing to drop them when infections are growing .
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Yeah so we’ve been slowly releasing measures and have a lot vaccinated. What I was saying is I can’t understand the people who want everything to go back to normal and unvaccinated to me that doesn’t make sense.
 
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