Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #93

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Tublet83 said:
In my asthma group many haven’t because it hasnt been approved - I’m talking younger children rather than just those who miss the cut off.

Can’t imagine living my life that with no end date for my child awful.

Personally I don’t see why the vast majority of children need it. I would be v.hesitant.
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Yeah they are giving it to very young kids on consultant advice, even kids with significant handicap have been giviin it off label but it’s an informed choice with the parents consent.
 
monga said:
Yeah they are giving it to very young kids on consultant advice, even kids with significant handicap have been giviin it off label but it’s an informed choice with the parents consent.
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From my group I’m hearing it doesn’t seem to be that proactive, maybe it’s because in the UK they seem to be taking this bizarre stance asthmatics don’t get covid 😂
 
TripleC's said:
You make such a good point , this is the annoying thing everything you have said is fair and common sense , but rather than make it all easy for everyone this government just want to be as obtuse with the rules, its like they are completely against making a simple rule based on common sense , you could almost imahine this question being asked and them swerving what is an easy question to answer if their rule made sense , but they bring something new out we have to jump through hoops to do , and they forget past rules that just contradict everything

It honestly feels like 20 people make up as many rules as they can , Johnson picks a few every other month and just throws them and uses the ones that stick , without ever knowing the real affect on us

We were told kids don't get the symptoms like adults , so why the need for a jab , the only reason we are having the jab is to hopefully not suffer the symptoms, its just madness tbh
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I thought we were having the jab to stop the spread?
 
It mentions Pfizer ?
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Cupcakemum said:
But hospitalisations although slightly increasing are low, and so are deaths.

They're now basing it off vaccines being given which is a goalpost shift.

I didn't say that Boris would base his decision off of the media. What his scientists do though is paint him worse possible scenario, which their models have been wrong about before.
They were the ones telling us vaccines were the way out, and it's them that don't seem to believe their own words. Meanwhile everyone jabbed either once or twice don't really seem to care and just want their old life back because that is what they've been promised by the very same scientists that are now flapping every time a new variant comes along.
The scientists can't have it both ways. They have to take the leap of faith just like the majority of the public want to do
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I think you are wrong about the scientists. They correctly predicted the second wave and the effect of Christmas relaxation but Johnson would not listen to their advice and ended up having to lockdown harder and for longer than would have been necessary and resulted in more deaths.

I don't know why you think they don't believe in the vaccine now or what you mean about them 'wanting it both ways'.

The Indian variant wasn't known about when the plan to lift the lockdown was set. It's disappointing that it might derail the plan but it is simply a fact of life and not a plot to upset people. Ignoring it risks more people becoming seriously ill or dying. The science indicates that the vaccine is effective against the Indian variant but both doses are necessary. That's why the scientists are saying it's important that as many people as possible get both vaccinations before the restrictions are relaxed further.

The decision on what happens on 21st June will be announced on 14th June, by then the scientists will probably have enough data to analyse the risks involved. It will then be down to Johnson on who we can obviously rely to make the right decision.
 
Moth said:
The Indian variant wasn't known about when the plan to lift the lockdown was set. It's disappointing that it might derail the plan but it is simply a fact of life and not a plot to upset people.
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Do you seriously believe that? I mean really - disappointing, not a plot to upset people? This whole situation has been carefully managed to cause the maximum upset and hurt from day 1. Had people's welfare and best interest been at the forefront of the decision makers minds things would have been very, very different.
 
Captainmouse said:
I thought we were having the jab to stop the spread?
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The primary reason for the vaccination is to reduce the number of people who become seriously ill or die if they get infected. But it's not the only reason. Another benefit of many vaccinations is that it inhibits the spread of the virus. Initially it wasn't known if this would be the case with the covid vaccination but research to date indicates that it is. One study showed that it reduced transmission by around 50%.

That is a factor in the decision about whether children should be offered the vaccine but by no means the only one. The UK has a very good rate of vaccine acceptance so vaccinating children may well not have a great impact on transmission. It is also of course necessary to balance the benefit taking into account that most children have mild or no symptoms and the risk of side effects. There is another factor which is whether greater benefit unstopping transmission and generation of future variants could be achieved by supplying the vaccines to adults in other countries. as things stand, I think we are a long way from justifying the general vaccination of children although it may be beneficial fo certain children with specific vulnerabilities.

ordinaryjelly said:
Do you seriously believe that? I mean really - disappointing, not a plot to upset people? This whole situation has been carefully managed to cause the maximum upset and hurt from day 1. Had people's welfare and best interest been at the forefront of the decision makers minds things would have been very, very different.
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Of course. I have no doubt that this government has managed the situation appallingly but I find the idea that the actual situation is faked or has been exaggerated with the specific intention of disrupting people's lives to be laughable.
 
Moth said:
I don't know why you think they don't believe in the vaccine now or what you mean about them 'wanting it both ways'.

The Indian variant wasn't known about when the plan to lift the lockdown was set. It's disappointing that it might derail the plan but it is simply a fact of life and not a plot to upset people. Ignoring it risks more people becoming seriously ill or dying. The science indicates that the vaccine is effective against the Indian variant but both doses are necessary. That's why the scientists are saying it's important that as many people as possible get both vaccinations before the restrictions are relaxed further.
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If they believed in the vaccine then they'd have been far more positive like they were at the start. Every single time a new variant has come along they've said the vaccines should work, and they have, but they've still painted a bleak picture - The Indian variant seems to be better with both jabs, but the jury is out for now. It would help if we knew the age demographic and comorbitities of those in hospital to get perspective

The Indian variant was known here from beginning of May, just as restrictions were about to be relaxed.

The Brazil variant were known in in February when schools as schools were opening.

The South African variant was found just as restrictions were going to lift in March.

Now we have the Indian variant being ramped up, the mutant Yorkshire variant (which is laughable) and now a Thai/Vietnam one just in time for June 21st.

Thats a hell of a lot of coincidences on when they're discovered, and thats why I hope Boris sticks to his guns when it comes to reopening because its never as bad as what the scientists predict
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
It's amazing how many want June 21st freedom day to be delayed. I genuinely believe and have for ages that some bed wetters are so soft they would legit be happy living under restrictions forever.
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do you think people really do or are the public being told that’s what others want so they go along with it.

It’s a bit like the boris apartment “the public don’t care about this....” line, convince them they do/don’t and they’ll go along with it 😕

I refuse to believe anyone thinks an extension is a good idea 🤦‍♀️
 
Cupcakemum said:
If they believed in the vaccine then they'd have been far more positive like they were at the start. Every single time a new variant has come along they've said the vaccines should work, and they have, but they've still painted a bleak picture - The Indian variant seems to be better with both jabs, but the jury is out for now. It would help if we knew the age demographic and comorbitities of those in hospital to get perspective

The Indian variant was known here from beginning of May, just as restrictions were about to be relaxed.

The Brazil variant were known in in February when schools as schools were opening.

The South African variant was found just as restrictions were going to lift in March.

Now we have the Indian variant being ramped up, the mutant Yorkshire variant (which is laughable) and now a Thai/Vietnam one just in time for June 21st.

Thats a hell of a lot of coincidences on when they're discovered, and thats why I hope Boris sticks to his guns when it comes to reopening because its never as bad as what the scientists predict
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You might be able to call them coincidences if it wasn't for the fact that thousands of covid variants have been identified across the world of which 15 have been found in the UK. Also as far as I am aware neither the Brazilian or South african variant had any impact on UK plans. As I pointed out to someone yesterday, it's difficult to accuse the UK government of 'manufacturing' a panic over the Vietnam variant to frustrate plans for 21st June when its discovery was announced by the Vietnam authorities and hasn't been detected in this country.

As you say the vaccines have worked with the variants of concern to date but the jury is still out on how well it copes with the Indian variant. That is why there is uncertainty about 21st June. Also as you say the Indian variant seems to work better with both jabs which is why the fact that less than 50% of the adult population has had both jabs is a concern.

Johnson 'stuck to his guns' in September when the experts said we needed an immediate 'circuit breaker'. By the end of October the soaring rate of hospitalisations and deaths meant he couldn't 'stick to his guns' any longer and had to agree a deeper and longer lockdown than if he had acted in September. This time I hope Johnson listens to the experts and not the Daily Telegraph or idiots invading the Westfield shopping centre.

AllSeeingEye123 said:
It's amazing how many want June 21st freedom day to be delayed. I genuinely believe and have for ages that some bed wetters are so soft they would legit be happy living under restrictions forever.
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Nobody wants the 21st June to be delayed and certainly nobody wants restrictions to continue forever. But they need to continue for as long as necessary. I think that some people have become so invested in the concept of 'freedom day' that they have become complacent and reckless.
 
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Moderna apparently stops transmission in kids 🤨 how long before they mandate the jabs for schools the same as for the NHS ?they’re already claiming it’ll stop kids spreading it to the household ,before they were claiming schools were safe it was the community spread that was to blame for cases in schools and sent teacher’s back to classrooms before masks were even a thing to thousands of kids that they’re now claiming are the vectors of the virus
 
Advice/thoughts requested - when it comes to adding countries to the red list for travel, do you think the government would wait until the scheduled review to add any new countries or add them as soon as they think it’s necessary? I’m pretty sure they said they would add a country to the red list as soon as it became ‘high risk’ but genuinely have such little belief in what they say atm. Absolute nightmare.
 
monga said:
Moderna apparently stops transmission in kids 🤨 how long before they mandate the jabs for schools the same as for the NHS ?they’re already claiming it’ll stop kids spreading it to the household ,before they were claiming schools were safe it was the community spread that was to blame for cases in schools and sent teacher’s back to classrooms before masks were even a thing to thousands of kids that they’re now claiming are the vectors of the virus
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Martin McKee himself says there will be 'polarised views' about it and it's far from certain that the vaccine will be made available to UK children. Scaremongering to suggest it's a given.

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.the...ution-on-giving-covid-vaccines-to-uk-children
 
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