Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #93

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Captainmouse said:
I understood the AZ was not for profit
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someone will always make money somewhere along the line sadly, its always the rich people at the top as well, they never make stuff for free, someone always foots the cost
Piff paff puff said:
KERRRRRRRCCCHHHIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGG!
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family pets after they've done the children

💷💷💷
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exactly , at one stage they were telling us about it affecting pets , that went quiet when obviously it doesnt , but i bet they bring it up again around october so we get another lockdown , where it will be the Asda variant
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
I am pro vaccine but wouldn't rush it to children. Any spare doses we have would be better used sending to Ireland as they share a border with the UK and countries in the Commonwealth.
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Ireland have suffered enough 😅 maybe they'd be better used throughout the world the WHO have said the the pandemic won’t end until 70% of people are vaccinated https://www.news24.com/news24/world...until-70-are-vaccinated-who-director-20210528

Just seen this on FB 😂 (genuine comment and great answer)
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Podular said:
I don't know how we've got to the stage where articles like this in the Daily Mail are seemingly normal.
It's his body and he surely still has the freedom what or not to inject in his body without being publicly shamed ?!?
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This is how those behind the media do it. They belittle and shame people and anyone not vaccinating is an idiot and should be mocked and shamed and held up as an example. The masses just follow and take the piss out of these people and have no idea its them playing Russian roulette with their lives, not those who are not taking the vaccine
 
Podular said:
It's his body and he surely still has the freedom what or not to inject in his body without being publicly shamed ?!
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His opinions might be his but he doesn't just represent himself. He represents his club and country, which means his opinions reflect on them, so much so that Exeter Chiefs had to release a statement and he had to release a follow up.

Journalists will always twist things to make a story and (in some cases) a juicy headline, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a responsibility to think about what he's feeding them, especially since he'll have had media training.
 
malolo said:
His opinions might be his but he doesn't just represent himself. He represents his club and country, which means his opinions reflect on them, so much so that Exeter Chiefs had to release a statement and he had to release a follow up.

Journalists will always twist things to make a story and (in some cases) a juicy headline, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a responsibility to think about what he's feeding them, especially since he'll have had media training.
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So people are only allowed an opinion if it's the "right opinion" and follows the government agenda. Jeez . Scarey. He's not advocating drug taking or anything illegal and I would hope his club aren't making it mandatory.
Not for anti Vax reasons any plonkers out there but for freedom of choice reasons
 
Podular said:
So people are only allowed an opinion if it's the "right opinion" and follows the government agenda. Jeez . Scarey. He's not advocating drug taking or anything illegal and I would hope his club aren't making it mandatory.
Not for anti Vax reasons any plonkers out there but for freedom of choice reasons
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Hmm, don't think that's what I said though, is it?

What I said applies to everything in Henry Slade's life (or anyone else in a similar position to him). It reflects on his club, the club's sponsors, etc. Israel Folau is a prime example of how this all works.

There are similar clauses in contracts all over the world (not just sport), and guess what... all of that was in place before covid so doesn't just apply to any opinions on it.
 
My area had 5 C19 cases in the last week, that is 0.0039% of the population. No deaths. We are also an area where common sense prevailed long ago, no-one really wears a mask and we have long since been socialising, hugging and germ sharing.

I am taking the children to the protest in London this afternoon. Looking forward to them seeing first hand that not everyone went along with this sham.
 
I'm in an apparent high area. Yes cases have gone up but deaths remains at 0 and hospitalisation remains in single figures....

We've stopped surge testing here now aswell. Just have walk in vaccination centres for 40+ who need their second jab.

ordinaryjelly said:
My area had 5 C19 cases in the last week, that is 0.0039% of the population. No deaths. We are also an area where common sense prevailed long ago, no-one really wears a mask and we have long since been socialising, hugging and germ sharing.

I am taking the children to the protest in London this afternoon. Looking forward to them seeing first hand that not everyone went along with this sham.
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I used to think those who protest were selfish. Now I'd join in tbh lol
 
malolo said:
Hmm, don't think that's what I said though, is it?

What I said applies to everything in Henry Slade's life (or anyone else in a similar position to him). It reflects on his club, the club's sponsors, etc. Israel Folau is a prime example of how this all works.

There are similar clauses in contracts all over the world (not just sport), and guess what... all of that was in place before covid so doesn't just apply to any opinions on it.
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I wasn't arguing directly with your post.
My original post was asking how has it become the norm for it to be ok to publicly shame someone who chooses not to Vax.
But the way some people on here are quick to jump down peoples throats with a different opinion.....
 
Podular said:
I wasn't arguing directly with your post.
My original post was asking how has it become the norm for it to be ok to publicly shame someone who chooses not to Vax.
But the way some people on here are quick to jump down peoples throats with a different opinion.....
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People have always been shamed in the media for their opinions, which doesn't make it ok, but it's seen as 'the norm'. Maybe you've just not been as interested in those particular subjects to notice it as much as now when it comes to anything covid related.
 
www.thesun.co.uk

Masks and home working could stay after June 21 if variant cases keep rising

FACE MASKS and home working could be sticking around after June 21 if cases of the Indian Covid variant keep rising. Ministers are increasingly concerned about the spread of the virus and whether i…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk

If you go surge testing in a problem area banging on doors asking households to take a test there and then, you will find extra cases. The vaccines work and if people simply refused to take a test infection rate would go back down again.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...s-finally-proof-Covid-DID-leak-Wuhan-lab.html

It's a good read that. Funny though how many believe it now Biden says it, but a year ago when Trump said the same thing he was some bat tit crazy conspiracy theorist.
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Has Biden 'said it'? I mean has he said that the virus originated in Chinese laboratory? Or in the face of growing evidence that it may have done and a split of opinion in the US intelligence services has he ordered an investigation into the claims.

On the other hand Trump said "I have very little doubt — and I mean very, very little doubt that it came from a lab.” Bearing in mind that this is the same Trump who believes that stealth aircraft are literally invisible then one can understand why a lot of people discounted his opinion.
 
https://www.12ft.io/https://www.dai...ent-facemasks-work-home-guidance-June-21.html

How would social distancing being scrapped work if masks are to stay? So you open back up night clubs to pack them out no social distancing but have to wear a mask because you're not sat at a table like in a pub? Both restrictions need scrapping at the same time.
 
Podular said:
I don't know how we've got to the stage where articles like this in the Daily Mail are seemingly normal.
It's his body and he surely still has the freedom what or not to inject in his body without being publicly shamed ?!?
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It's The Daily Mail. It wouldn't exist without a steady stream of holding people up to ridicule. There is also a suggestion that The Daily Telegraph distorted what Henry Slade actually said in the interview with them but I don't know if that's true. In any case, he is completely entitled to his opinion and he is entitled to voice that opinion in public. Other people are entitled to voice an opinion about what he said. Just as people are entitled to challenge opinions on a discussion forum without it being characterised as "jumping down people's throats".

Purrrrrrr said:
This is how those behind the media do it. They belittle and shame people and anyone not vaccinating is an idiot and should be mocked and shamed and held up as an example. The masses just follow and take the piss out of these people and have no idea its them playing Russian roulette with their lives, not those who are not taking the vaccine
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But wasn't Henry Slades's opinion about the vaccine reported in The Daily Telegraph i.e. the mainstream media?

IMO, the suggestion that taking the vaccine is playing "Russian roulette" but not taking the vaccine is risk free is a rather gross distortion of the facts.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
www.thesun.co.uk

Masks and home working could stay after June 21 if variant cases keep rising

FACE MASKS and home working could be sticking around after June 21 if cases of the Indian Covid variant keep rising. Ministers are increasingly concerned about the spread of the virus and whether i…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk

If you go surge testing in a problem area banging on doors asking households to take a test there and then, you will find extra cases. The vaccines work and if people simply refused to take a test infection rate would go back down again.
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I really dont see why we need to wear masks.

Aside from medical professionals in hospital, I've yet to see anyone in every day life wearing a correct mask, wearing it properly and handling it properly
 
EmilyChambers said:
I really dont see why we need to wear masks.

Aside from medical professionals in hospital, I've yet to see anyone in every day life wearing a correct mask, wearing it properly and handling it properly
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That's a good point. I met someone who works in a hospice this week and she was describing their process for masks and it struck me that I certainly don't get anywhere near that. For the time that I need to continue wearing masks I will try to take what she said into account. That said, I believe that any mask wearing is better than none.
 
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