Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #62

[Gembo]

Locky D? Sounds too much like Maccy D’s. Which is something I hold sacred. I shall not be partaking in this renaming ceremony!

 

[Happy Lady]

@Oohthedrama

A couple of suggested questions for the new thread.

I will be applying to become a Covid official?

I have no intention of becoming a Covid official

If we have a break from restrictions over Xmas, it won't bother me if we have LockyD 3 in January because I'll have enjoyed meeting family and friends again

If we have another lockdown in January I'll be furious

Locky D? Sounds too much like Maccy D’s. Which is something I hold sacred. I shall not be partaking in this renaming ceremony!

I've already been to the Christening.

Love it

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

if they lift restrictions over Christmas then it’s goes against every bit of of BS they’ve fed to us this whole year. It can’t be that bad can it if for 5 days over Christmas we can do what we want?
it discredits everything they’ve said so far and I’m fairly confident in saying not many people will follow the guidelines thereafter.
Lockdowns don’t work, restrictions are having devastating impacts on mental health, businesses and relationships with family.
I lost my grandad this year to (kidney problems- not ‘covid’) and I’m so bitter and angry at the fact during his last year I wasn’t able to spend any time with him.
Masks aren’t working, lockdowns aren’t working, let’s just get on with our lives and live!! We’re all gonna die anyway!!!!
So so so done with this now.

I agree. As much as we all would love to see our loved ones this Christmas, how can that be done safely? It cant let’s face it. We are kidding ourselves. We bang on all year about ‘saving’ our nhs and saving lives, with all these rules, socially isolating ourselves for months, kids out of school people out of work, then Christmas rolls around, an opportunity for money to be made, and suddenly the nhs is less of a priority.

It’s just a pacifier because they know people will break rules and see family anyway. So done with it all. I love Christmas, but we can’t have it both ways.

Reading that next year will probably be the same as this year makes me feel awful. Another year of this absolute shower of shit.

 

[Meangirl815]

I would be really interested to know how many people who have tested positive have been really ill? If you didn't know about Corona would you just think you had a normal cough, cold etc? Aside from the elderly, who are often more affected by any illness, how many people have been really ill?

Basically, I'm struggling with the fact that the vast majority of people I hear off who have tested positive haven't been overly unwell? It makes me feel like these measures are so extreme and damaging. I think we should be able to make our own risk assessment regarding this virus. Like we do with so many other things in our lives.

I understand this viewpoint 100 % I'm not trying to start an argument here just merely give my point of view on it.


Long covid is a thing. It's real, it exists and it's so very unknown as yet. People who had a very mild even non existent covid positive are living hell afterwards because of long covid. People who were healthy, fit and well are suffering, people who on paper look like they will recover no problems are having serious long term health issues.

So yes it is about saving the people at risk but unfortunately there is no way of knowing who exactly is at risk.

It's not as easy as saying let everybody 'healthy' continue to live life as normal.

I wouldn't want to take the risk

 

[Monkeybum]

I would be really interested to know how many people who have tested positive have been really ill? If you didn't know about Corona would you just think you had a normal cough, cold etc? Aside from the elderly, who are often more affected by any illness, how many people have been really ill?

Basically, I'm struggling with the fact that the vast majority of people I hear off who have tested positive haven't been overly unwell? It makes me feel like these measures are so extreme and damaging. I think we should be able to make our own risk assessment regarding this virus. Like we do with so many other things in our lives.

My Dad was completely healthy, in fact of the view almost calling covid on as he doesn't have health problems and thought he'd have no symptoms.

He caught it in April, spent a month on a ventilator, 4 months in hospital, is still in a care home receiving rehab to come home. He's now got a tracheostomy, is peg fed and building up his strength to walk again. They've told him he's likely to have Long Covid for the rest of his life.

I know the chances are slim and he's an extreme example but that's what Covid can do.

 

[OatMatchaLatte]

I am SO SICK of this Christmas business. "Saving XMAS" etc. If it's not safe now...and it's not safe on 29 December, then don't bloody relax the rules. I don't want another 25 days of lockdown so that four households can meet, thanks. As someone upthread said, it makes a mockery of everything. Imagine being a nurse, working over Christmas while everyone is having a fun time...and knowing exactly what's coming down the track in January. Eff me!!

Leave the tiers / levels / lockdown / whatever the hell they want to call it in place (opening shops and restaurants, please, with whatever number restriction is considered safe and necessary...they need some money). People are going to break the rules anyway, let them get on with it.

January is bleak enough without being stuck in yet another LockyD (loving that). At least at the moment we do have festivities to look forward to (albeit pared back) - what do we have in January?

 

[Fitnessbunny2020]

I would be really interested to know how many people who have tested positive have been really ill? If you didn't know about Corona would you just think you had a normal cough, cold etc? Aside from the elderly, who are often more affected by any illness, how many people have been really ill?

Basically, I'm struggling with the fact that the vast majority of people I hear off who have tested positive haven't been overly unwell? It makes me feel like these measures are so extreme and damaging. I think we should be able to make our own risk assessment regarding this virus. Like we do with so many other things in our lives.

I think it’s really varies between people but strangely enough, the fittest and healthiest of those I know who have had it seem to be suffering worse with the after effects. My hairdresser caught it 2 months ago and still has trouble breathing properly. Mid thirties, healthy, slim, non smoker etc.

 

[GreenStar]

My Dad was completely healthy, in fact of the view almost calling covid on as he doesn't have health problems and thought he'd have no symptoms.

He caught it in April, spent a month on a ventilator, 4 months in hospital, is still in a care home receiving rehab to come home. He's now got a tracheostomy, is peg fed and building up his strength to walk again. They've told him he's likely to have Long Covid for the rest of his life.

I know the chances are slim and he's an extreme example but that's what Covid can do.

I completely understand that and I'm so sorry to hear about your dad. I am not a Covid denier at all. But like you say, the chances are slim. I feel like the world is acting like Covid is now the only cause of death. We take risks in our lives every day, but right now I feel like we only have to take the risk against Covid?! It's like Covid is so much worse than any other illness? And at the same time people are denied treatment for other illnesses.

 

[Tublet83]

Covid: Oxford vaccine shows 'encouraging' immune response in older adults

The phase two trial results raise hopes the jab can protect age groups most at risk from Covid-19.

www.bbc.co.uk

Some more tentative good news on the Oxford vaccine

 

[Oohthedrama]

@Oohthedrama

A couple of suggested questions for the new thread.

I will be applying to become a Covid official?

I have no intention of becoming a Covid official

If we have a break from restrictions over Xmas, it won't bother me if we have LockyD 3 in January because I'll have enjoyed meeting family and friends again

If we have another lockdown in January I'll be furious




I've already been to the Christening.

Love it ☺

Oooh we’re close to a new thread so it would be cool if you wanna make the next one

I just jump in if I’m around when it’s needed (and when nobody answers my “anyone want to make a new thread” comment )

 

[Kim Mild]

I've said it before , I'm sure they will allow some family mixing over Christmas , purely to see if the people who have been mixing together get ill .(because they are allowed, they will admit it) . They do need some mixing to see how the virus behaves.

@GreenStar in march and april , everyone with suspected covid was feeling really unwell. Even before covid was supposedly in the uk , people were knocked for six with a similar virus. Now people test positive and are carrying on with work / education from home and a counting down til their isolation is up . You hear very little about them needing to recuperate

 

[Gembo]

I have mixed feelings on the lockdowns, restrictions etc. On one hand they’re only temporary measures and not a cure and I hate what they’re doing to peoples lives, small businesses, mental health, families not seeing each other. I feel that the general risk of death is quite low but of course there is long covid to consider and so maybe people should be able to make their own minds up about the risks they want to take. I completely understand that argument. But I’m stuck on the fact I guess it’s not that simple is it? Because of hospitals. If the government allowed us to go back to normal and take our own risks, what about hospitals? They can’t not treat people who get ill with covid and then hospitals will continue to be overwhelmed which has knock on effects. I don’t know what I think anymore

 

[jazyblu]

I've said it before , I'm sure they will allow some family mixing over Christmas , purely to see if the people who have been mixing together get ill .(because they are allowed, they will admit it) . They do need some mixing to see how the virus behaves.

@GreenStar in march and april , everyone with suspected covid was feeling really unwell. Even before covid was supposedly in the uk , people were knocked for six with a similar virus. Now people test positive and are carrying on with work / education from home and a counting down til their isolation is up . You hear very little about them needing to recuperate

Are you joking? The hospital admissions right now say the complete opposite. I think you might be thinking of people who are isolating due to contact, rather than testing positive. There is literally nothing to suggest people had it more seriously in March and April, and less seriously now.

 

[coconochanel]

Why do we need 5 days over xmas? just give us Christmas day FGS. Either way most people will just do as they please anyway so I don't see the point in the GOV making out they are doing us a favour.

 

[xoxo GG]

I’m torn on Christmas. On the one hand life is for living, I’ve seen people die unexpectedly and suddenly from things that aren’t covid related whatsoever. Young, old, underlying conditions, no underlying conditions. Covid isn’t the only thing that’ll kill Granny, your Auntie or your cousin. But then I know the impact it’s having on health services. What it does to the body, how fast it acts.

If the government give us 4 days then say another lockdown, people won’t listen. They cannot stand there and plead the severity of the situation then issue a get out of jail free card alongside justifying why they will then cripple the economy more and why they’ve risked people’s lives.

 

[Thank(space)you]

I've woken up feeling absolutely rotten. Temperature, headache, muscle ache, fatigue, dizzy, sick, no appetite. I'm shielding and I don't drive so my only options are a walk in test (10 miles away!) Or a home test. But I just keep getting an error message when I try to get a home test. Called 119 who said there's errors with the website.

 

[Kim Mild]

Are you joking? The hospital admissions right now say the complete opposite. I think you might be thinking of people who are isolating due to contact, rather than testing positive. There is literally nothing to suggest people had it more seriously in March and April, and less seriously now.

My post is about what the people who say they have covid themselves are saying . In march and april, testing wasn't as widely available ( to the general public) so we have no way of knowing if the people who suffered from coughs/ fevers had covid for certain. Now we are to err on the side of caution and get a test if we come down with any of the main symptoms .People are doing this, and don't appear to be any more unwell than they would be with other winter viruses and are getting tested as a precaution, where as in the past they would still be working through being poorly. My original post was in response to another post wondering a similar thing .
Nobody was disputing that there are many people in hospital very unwell with it and the seriousness off their illness .

 

[Fitnessbunny2020]

A big worry for the government is no doubt that if they let everyone get it, what effects it will have the health of people when they get older. They can’t afford a band of current 20, 30 and 40 year olds not able to work when they’re in their 40s and 50s.

 

[mcfeez]

Why do we need 5 days over xmas? just give us Christmas day FGS. Either way most people will just do as they please anyway so I don't see the point in the GOV making out they are doing us a favour.

I agree with this. 5 days is unnecessary - Christmas Day and Boxing Day would be plenty of most I'd think.

 

[Platypusfattypus]

I've found my new facemask