Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #116

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Prefrontalmedialcortex said:
It’s not as black and white as this. Yes many were vulnerable and/or had underlying health conditions but that’s not to say they were at death’s door before Covid-19. An underlying health condition does not mean it is always severe.
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I’m relatively young and appear healthy but I have 4 things that would be classed as underlying conditions If I died from Covid.
 
Prefrontalmedialcortex said:
It’s not as black and white as this. Yes many were vulnerable and/or had underlying health conditions but that’s not to say they were at death’s door before Covid-19. An underlying health condition does not mean it is always severe.
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different thread and as I said I didn’t say it wasn’t a serious illness, I never said everone who died was “at deaths door” prior to death, I said the majority, majority were old and vulnerable and flu would also be very dangerous to them, hence the yearly vaccine.
The numbers are a hard one to accept because we don’t know who did died because of covid, with covid, and who was just marked up as a covid death anyway.
The ongoing lockdown, in my opinion still effected more negatively and will continue to for far longer,
My sympathies to anyone who lost a family member to covid btw.

the focus was on the aftermath UNTIL this war, now it’s 24/7 Russia,
Hence my reason for mentioning it on this thread.
 
Prefrontalmedialcortex said:
It’s not as black and white as this. Yes many were vulnerable and/or had underlying health conditions but that’s not to say they were at death’s door before Covid-19. An underlying health condition does not mean it is always severe.
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If they were so susceptible to it that it caused their death then there's nothing anyone could do to change that ,there's millions in the same category that have survived it ,like you said an underlying condition doesn't mean death .
 
Gym&Tonic said:
I completely agree with the the theory earlier in the thread suggesting that China created or leaked Covid on purpose to distract the world from what was going on in Russia. It’s all to coincidental that this has happened now as the pandemic is nearing its end.
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Nah if anything it would have happened while everyone was scrambling in the beginning… not now. Now everyone can pay attention. Imagine if this was going on in 2020. Also Covid is pushing countries and big companies to rely less on China and they knew this would happen.
 
Blond3g1rl said:
I see lots of death certificates through my work and many of them do have one thing listed. For example they will say breast cancer, old age, pneumonia etc
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They must’ve had no underlying conditions then , how do they put breast cancer alone with no contributing factors when it would be the spread throughout the body that actually kills you? or do you mean listed as no 1 cause ?
 
monga said:
They must’ve had no underlying conditions then , how do they put breast cancer alone with no contributing factors when it would be the spread throughout the body that actually kills you? or do you mean listed as no 1 cause ?
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You will have one cause of death only. It will just say something like metastatic breast cancer

To keep it relevant to the Covid thread there was also death certificates with just Covid 19 pneumonia on them.
 
Blond3g1rl said:
You will have one cause of death only. It will just say something like metastatic breast cancer

To keep it relevant to the Covid thread there was also death certificates with just Covid 19 pneumonia on them.
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The ones I’ve seen have had about 4 contributing factors from frailty to other conditions all listed in order from the main cause down .
 
monga said:
The ones I’ve seen have had about 4 contributing factors from frailty to other conditions all listed in order from the main cause down .
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Yes I’ve seen lots of those as well but I have also seen many with just one cause. I’ve seen certificates with just road traffic accident and the name of the road, I’ve seen death by ligature, to add a few more examples.
 
Blond3g1rl said:
Yes I’ve seen lots of those as well but I have also seen many with just one cause. I’ve seen certificates with just road traffic accident and the name of the road, I’ve seen death by ligature, to add a few more examples.
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I thought covid disease caused many conditions in the body or do they not count them in that case
 
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I though covid disease caused many conditions in the body or do they not count them in that case
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I only see death certificates. I am not involved with the why and how things are recorded.
You will get death certificates with just Covid 19. You will also get death certificates with Covid 19 as cause 1 then something like dementia as cause 2. Or you will get something like heart disease as cause 1 and then Covid as cause 2.
 
To add to the death cert chat. I have said before my dad's death certificate just said dementia and old age.

He was 76 (so not particularly old)

And died from multiple organ failure following a chest infection from aspirating food and the care home not getting him antibiotics.

Sure he might not have aspirated the food if he didn't have dementia but dementia didn't kill him.

Doctors pick what seems best. Death certificates are not always accurate in recording exactly what killed someone.

I also see a lot of death certificates in my line of work and agree with @Blond3g1rl thete are lots where there is only 1 cause and similarly there were ones that listed covid as the primary cause and then 9 comorbidities.
 
HoGi said:
To add to the death cert chat. I have said before my dad's death certificate just said dementia and old age.

He was 76 (so not particularly old)

And died from multiple organ failure following a chest infection from aspirating food and the care home not getting him antibiotics.

Sure he might not have aspirated the food if he didn't have dementia but dementia didn't kill him.

Doctors pick what seems best. Death certificates are not always accurate in recording exactly what killed someone.

I also see a lot of death certificates in my line of work and agree with @Blond3g1rl thete are lots where there is only 1 cause and similarly there were ones that listed covid as the primary cause and then 9 comorbidities.
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Yes, when my gran died she died of organ failure due to sepsis. Her death certificate said frailty of old age
 
Just wondering does anyone know or seen any research regarding a faint line and whether it’s the start or end of covid? If possible please link it :) I’m doing my dissertation and need theories to back up mine lmao
 
Grejaha said:
Just wondering does anyone know or seen any research regarding a faint line and whether it’s the start or end of covid? If possible please link it :) I’m doing my dissertation and need theories to back up mine lmao
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Surely a faint line still only means positive, with a possible but very uncertain modifier of 'not much found but might be a technique problem'?

As a single data point on its own is I think just that, it has no 'delta'* to say which way it is going.




* punnage free of charge, my gift or possibly punishment to the world
 
COVID hit me. Feeling rubbish and off work. I find it really interesting though how people’s attitudes to illness haven’t changed… Even if you test positive now you’re expected to carry on as normal, but I’m really ill yet I feel as if everyone expects me to me working away. I feel guilty for being off ill and that just shouldn’t be the case. Maybe it’s because I’m not able to do anything at the moment, I’m kind of feeling bad as my mind is in over drive. Can anyone relate or reassure me here?
 
chapterthree said:
COVID hit me. Feeling rubbish and off work. I find it really interesting though how people’s attitudes to illness haven’t changed… Even if you test positive now you’re expected to carry on as normal, but I’m really ill yet I feel as if everyone expects me to me working away. I feel guilty for being off ill and that just shouldn’t be the case. Maybe it’s because I’m not able to do anything at the moment, I’m kind of feeling bad as my mind is in over drive. Can anyone relate or reassure me here?
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Yeah I relate, I had co vid, one month ago, and had a house full of kids to look after, and a husband that works nearly full time.
It's hard, and I agree that this attitude of just being expected to be stoic, and pushing through the pain is ridiculous. (And possibly counter productive).
I say listen to your body, nevermind if others think it's inconvenient, or that you should put on a brave face, do what's right for you.
For days I couldn't move from the sofa, so take away or someone else doing the cooking it is then, please try to delegate, or ask for help or support if you need it, or can access it?
If you can't then Don't feel bad, but really prioritise yourself,rest up,get the shopping delivered, listen to any relaxing music, take it easy, let your body heal.
So much fear mongering and anxiety over health has been created, and yet at the same time we are just supposed to pretend we are fine, when we feel very ill?
It doesn't make sense does it? Also this kind of passive aggressive mixed message of protecting others that was sent out, and actually isn't helpful imo. No we need to protect ourselves first!
So do what you have to, and don't feel bad (guilty), because having co vid is bad enough, without more added stress.
Take care ❤️ and I hope you get well soon.
 
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