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AllTheBest2022 said:
Rich, with an E added in there somewhere 😂

I before E except after R...
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He mentions how Gary Reich directed his debut show just like darrien in baby reindeer
 

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Hi all. I'm mainly a lurker, but I wanted to post because I saw Baby Reindeer when it was a stage play. I don't know how truthful the stage play is, but it was certainly presented as "everything in the stage play actually happened." The stage play isn't a fictionalised drama, with characters and dialogue, it's literally just RG sitting on stage telling the audience "then this happened to me, and then this happened to me." He's the only person on stage and all his 'dialogue' is directed to the audience. So it feels like everything he says in the play, actually happened, then they've changed it for the TV show. Also, in the stage play they actually play some of Martha's hundreds of voicemails, her actual voicemails, to the audience.

In the play, it's clear that Terri is a real, specific person, not a combination of people. I don't remember either of the two physical assaults occurring in the play so I assume they were made up for the TV show. A huge plot point in the play is that Martha never did anything illegal and when he goes to the police, they tell him they can only act if he has evidence of a threat, so he has no choice but to listen to hundreds of voicemails, and the mental toll having to listen to all those voicemails has on him. In the play she has his phone number from early on, not his email address. I think they changed it to email because email is more visual.

Also, the part where he tries to entrap her into writing a dodgy email and gets caught, I don't remember that, so I don't think that happened in real life, I think it's a narrative device to explain why the police didn't act - in the play, the police didn't act because she hadn't actually done anything illegal.

In terms of 'Darrien', SF's decision to leave the Rep was common knowledge over a year ago, it has nothing to do with Baby Reindeer at all. Just bad timing. People in the theatre world joke about "artistic director snakes and ladders" because ADs are constantly. constantly moving positions. It's not weird that he's leaving because he's stayed a pretty average amount of time that ADs tend to stay in post. And SF has a great rep in the industry, and it's a tiny industry with an active whisper network. If he had a rep for being predatory, people would know, but there's never been a whisper about him. I don't know about the other guy because I don't work in the comedy scene (though searching his name on Twitter shows that he was publicly accused of being an abuser in 2022).
 
The play of Baby Reindeer was written years later. 'Monkey See, Monkey Do' (the play about 'Darrien' and his experience of being raped) debuted in 2016, then the play version of Baby Reindeer debuted in 2019. The TV show is adapted from two separate stage plays.

So by the time he wrote and performed Baby Reindeer, he'd already been getting up on stage talking about Darrien being a rapist for three years, and had the self-awareness at that point to recognise it as grooming and rape. I doubt you'd work with someone when you'd spent the past three years talking publicly about how they're an abusive groomer, or that you'd work with someone who had in the past wrote and performed an award-winning stage show about rapes you committed.
 
SweetPerdita said:
Hi all. I'm mainly a lurker, but I wanted to post because I saw Baby Reindeer when it was a stage play. I don't know how truthful the stage play is, but it was certainly presented as "everything in the stage play actually happened." The stage play isn't a fictionalised drama, with characters and dialogue, it's literally just RG sitting on stage telling the audience "then this happened to me, and then this happened to me." He's the only person on stage and all his 'dialogue' is directed to the audience. So it feels like everything he says in the play, actually happened, then they've changed it for the TV show. Also, in the stage play they actually play some of Martha's hundreds of voicemails, her actual voicemails, to the audience.

In the play, it's clear that Terri is a real, specific person, not a combination of people. I don't remember either of the two physical assaults occurring in the play so I assume they were made up for the TV show. A huge plot point in the play is that Martha never did anything illegal and when he goes to the police, they tell him they can only act if he has evidence of a threat, so he has no choice but to listen to hundreds of voicemails, and the mental toll having to listen to all those voicemails has on him. In the play she has his phone number from early on, not his email address. I think they changed it to email because email is more visual.

Also, the part where he tries to entrap her into writing a dodgy email and gets caught, I don't remember that, so I don't think that happened in real life, I think it's a narrative device to explain why the police didn't act - in the play, the police didn't act because she hadn't actually done anything illegal.

In terms of 'Darrien', SF's decision to leave the Rep was common knowledge over a year ago, it has nothing to do with Baby Reindeer at all. Just bad timing. People in the theatre world joke about "artistic director snakes and ladders" because ADs are constantly. constantly moving positions. It's not weird that he's leaving because he's stayed a pretty average amount of time that ADs tend to stay in post. And SF has a great rep in the industry, and it's a tiny industry with an active whisper network. If he had a rep for being predatory, people would know, but there's never been a whisper about him. I don't know about the other guy because I don't work in the comedy scene (though searching his name on Twitter shows that he was publicly accused of being an abuser in 2022).
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Really interesting, thank you. Especially in terms of the differences between the talking-head stage rendition & the serial tv version, as it’s clear that a lot needed to be added, tweaked, or changed to make it workable. Even dramatic and traumatic life events don’t happen to conveniently fall into a neat seven-episode sequence with tv-friendly visuals and satisfying narrative arcs, so I’m surprised so many people are convinced that ‘x, y & z definitely happened exactly the way we saw it happen in the tv show’.
 
I'm watching the series tonight so will try to catch up on the threads later, but can I just ask a question - that Facebook profile with the bunch of flowers as the profile pic, is that the real FH or is it a fake "fan account" for lack of a better term?
 
GamerLlama87 said:
I'm watching the series tonight so will try to catch up on the threads later, but can I just ask a question - that Facebook profile with the bunch of flowers as the profile pic, is that the real FH or is it a fake "fan account" for lack of a better term?
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It's the right profile photo. Real account has loads of photos going back years.
 
PiefaceG said:
It's the right profile photo. Real account has loads of photos going back years.
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GamerLlama87 said:
I'm watching the series tonight so will try to catch up on the threads later, but can I just ask a question - that Facebook profile with the bunch of flowers as the profile pic, is that the real FH or is it a fake "fan account" for lack of a better term?
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If you type 'Camden' after her name in the search bar it'll be the profile photo of vases than doesn't allow comments on their posts
 
ohnoshedidntdidshe said:
Where is Fiona Harvey… place your bets!

- Sectioned
- Arrested
- Selling her story to someone
- On a massive come down after her manic episode over the past few days
- Sat with her boyfriend eating sandwiches and chicken soup
- In the Hawley Arms causing mayhem
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I think she may have been given a cease and desist type letter from someone
 
ohnoshedidntdidshe said:
Where is Fiona Harvey… place your bets!

- Sectioned
- Arrested
- Selling her story to someone
- On a massive come down after her manic episode over the past few days
- Sat with her boyfriend eating sandwiches and chicken soup
- In the Hawley Arms causing mayhem
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I vote comedown. She was on one yesterday/early hours this morning. She's bound to be exhausted! Expect round two tonight 😂
 
ohnoshedidntdidshe said:
Where is Fiona Harvey… place your bets!

- Sectioned
- Arrested
- Selling her story to someone
- On a massive come down after her manic episode over the past few days
- Sat with her boyfriend eating sandwiches and chicken soup
- In the Hawley Arms causing mayhem
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Im thinking someone has spoken to her lawyers or police unsure but she was mentioning names and saying things about people that could definitely get her into hot water. She wouldn't be able to keep quiet this long surely
 
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