2024 US Election #3

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Miss Begotten said:
Im not convinced that lightness of touch is really in Musk’s skill set.
Didn’t he buy Twitter for $40ish billion, and thanks to his brilliant business mind and drive for efficiency its value plummeted by around 80%? Is that what he’s planning to do to America?

Zelenskyy has more than enough to deal with already ( Putin AND Boris Johnson popping in for a publicity visit every 5 minutes ), but there’s no way Musk is going to miss out on all those sexy zoom calls with an actual adult.
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Exactly right. Which is why this is going to implode. Or maybe explode 💥💥💥🫣
 
Good god.
I’ve just seen some of Trump’s appointments. It’s beyond scraping the barrel, it’s more like scrabbling around in a cess pit.
I mean Matt Gaetz ( who’s been accused of sex trafficking, paying for sex - which I guess means he has something in common with Trump, sexual misconduct and drug use ) is going to be the Attorney General.
He’s going to put Marjorie Taylor Greene in charge of Education isn’t he?
 
D'oh... realising I posted with a shortage of quote marks, context etc so for the avoidance of doubt, this
Doctor_Wibble said:
'high-T alpha male' ... attributes required for leadership ...
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was remarking on opinions of the great and powerful elon
From here
www.newsweek.com

Elon Musk shares theory that only 'alpha males' should vote

Elon Musk's repost of a controversial theory about democracy has drawn attention to the idea.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
Great for being in charge of a bunch of cavemen but nowadays, not so much.

Though looking again at the linked example it seems he chickened out of openly agreeing, merely retweeting it as 'interesting observation'.

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But it's going to be interesting to see if the boosting of an election campaign fully translates to some form of influence or indirect control of the ensuing government, not to mention the positioning to pitch exactly the right thing at exactly the right time to just the right people who might be vulnerable to a flood of negative opinion should someone accidentally retweet the wrong thing with just e.g. 'exactly'...

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Miss Begotten said:
I’ve just seen some of Trump’s appointments. It’s beyond scraping the barrel, it’s more like scrabbling around in a cess pit.
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I have come to the conclusion that it's not a collection of people wanting to participate in government, but something of a mass jail-avoidance exercise..
 
Doc said:
I think Musk viewed Twitter as a loss leader. It bought him access to confidential files including government involvement with social media, access to accounts, a platform with a ready made audience. Like it or not, X is a heavy hitter in terms of where people go for their news. By association he now has a place on US cabinet. I don’t think it was a stupid purchase.
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Yes, it's missing the wood for the trees going on about the current estimated value of twitter.

The purchase was never about rapidly increasing its value and selling shortly after.

These things are about the long term with the power and potential. People seem to be sticking with it and when the investors come to sell it could still have been a very good investment.

Elon only put 9% of his money into this experiment and got others to pay the rest.
 
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Musk bought twitter to promote his ideas. The algorithms have since been cranked towards his views. He bought influence. His goal is not about making direct profits from the platform but increasing his own status. Trump wouldn't be as reliant on Musk without him owning Twitter.

Still crazy to think that one guy have so much influence and power.
 
Onetwofour said:
Musk bought twitter to promote his ideas. The algorithms have since been cranked towards his views. He bought influence. His goal is not about making direct profits from the platform but increasing his own status. Trump wouldn't be as reliant on Musk without him owning Twitter.

Still crazy to think that one guy have so much influence and power.
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Yeah, social media is the reason for this age of populist politics. And tbh it seems to be here to stay. As has already been discussed, the very conservative families in the US even capitalise on promoting their lifestyles. Including the ‘tradwifes’ who get up at 5am every morning because in the Bible it says that good women should be up whilst it’s still dark.
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I stopped using Twitter in 2017 I think - it’s been toxic for years…
 
Dollenganger said:
Yeah, social media is the reason for this age of populist politics. And tbh it seems to be here to stay. As has already been discussed, the very conservative families in the US even capitalise on promoting their lifestyles. Including the ‘tradwifes’ who get up at 5am every morning because in the Bible it says that good women should be up whilst it’s still dark.
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I stopped using Twitter in 2017 I think - it’s been toxic for years…
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Not disagreeing by the way - I think social media has great influence on politics which is why there’s a desire to control it - but I do wonder how it’s the REASON of populist politics when (1) Twitter (pre Musk) has been proven via Twitter Files to be highly censored and left leaning (2) Facebook/Insta/Meta is the same under Zuckerberg (who, incidentally spent $400 million in 2020 to help get Biden over the finish-line - nearly 4 times as much as Musk donated to Trump's campaign) (3) Google/YouTube has been shown to have a left wing bias, (4) Harris supporters (and donors) include Michael Bloomberg, Reid Hoffman (LinkedIn), Dustin Moskovitz (FB), Lauren Jobs (Apple) and Reed Hastings (Netflix)

With that kind of force and social steering left, why has support still collapsed for liberal politics towards populism and Musk’s X?
 
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Because US elections are always very close and could always go either way and the last weeks are always crucial. Populism isn’t unique to the US - we had it here with Boris Johnson. The thought of him being PM even 10 years ago was laughable.

This isn’t about right vs left - it’s about the fact that people are now perfectly happy to vote for candidates who aren’t remotely qualified for the jobs that they are doing.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump selected a fictional character to fill the next post. Batman maybe? Mickey Mouse? Would need to be male of course 🤣
 
Dollenganger said:
Because US elections are always very close and could always go either way and the last weeks are always crucial. Populism isn’t unique to the US - we had it here with Boris Johnson. The thought of him being PM even 10 years ago was laughable.

This isn’t about right vs left - it’s about the fact that people are now perfectly happy to vote for candidates who aren’t remotely qualified for the jobs that they are doing.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump selected a fictional character to fill the next post. Batman maybe? Mickey Mouse? Would need to be male of course 🤣
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Well, my question really was why you though social media was the reason for populism.
 
Everyone shocked at RFK’s appointment: you either don’t understand or care about the state of health and healthcare in the US or you don’t know very much about RFKJ. The US healthcare system is completely corrupt and Americans are on the brink of a metabolic health catastrophe. They are the most obese and most medicated people in the world, their food is full of crap not allowed in other countries, diabetes, autoimmune illness and other chronic illness is out of control, the opioid crisis continues to kill people, and the pharmaceutical and food industry is making a fortune while effectively poisoning people. It is an absolutely rotten system and you are not going to change it by hiring people who are in any way owned by the industry.

We are now going to see a procession of medical experts and academics and pharmaceutical “experts” on the MsM decrying the appointment of RFK and pushing back on the Make America Healthy Again campaign. There will be a huge attack from the food and drug industry which will be (and clearly already is being) amplified by Democrats and their supporters who just hate anything Trump does.

They will say that RFK is an outsider snd “medically unqualified” for this role. They will focus on his more controversial statements and ignore his decades-long interest in and work in this field. And the sick joke is that these are the very people who have presided over, and facilitated, this current health crisis!! THEIR medical associations are funded by pharmaceutical companies. THEY are getting rich off peoples’ suffering! So why are they so outraged about with this appointment? How could things possibly get any worse under RFK? What gives these people any right at all to complain about a new approach to health given that the health of the American people has been in steep decline over the last 30 years on THEIR watch?

And as usual it is the poorest who suffer most. Where is the Democrat outrage at the state of the nation’s health?

I’ve followed RFK since his election campaign started. I don’t agree with everything he says but it is possible, as a grownup, to know
that you don’t have to agree with everything someone says to see that they can have some very good ideas. The soundbites from the MSM snd left-wing youtubers do not do him justice. You have to listen to him talk about his interest in: the dangers of ultra-processed food; pharmaceutical advertising; his concern about the epidemic of childhood illness; the mental health crisis; the power of the pharmaceutical, agricultural and and oil and gas industries; over-treatment by the medical profession - and his ideas for dealing with them. This is radical stuff, yes - but why on earth would you want things to stay as they are?
 
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Lady_H said:
Everyone shocked at RFK’s appointment might want to consider the fact that the US healthcare system is completely corrupt and Americans are on the brink of a metabolic health catastrophe. They are the most obese and most medicated people in the world, their food is full of crap not allowed in other countries, diabetes, autoimmune illness and other chronic illness is out of control, the opioid crisis continues to kill people, and the pharmaceutical and food industry is making a fortune while effectively poisoning people. It is an absolutely rotten system and you are not going to change it by hiring people who are in any way owned by the industry.

We are now going to see a procession of medical experts and academics and pharmaceutical “experts” on the MsM decrying the appointment of RFK and pushing back on the Make America Healthy Again campaign. There will be a huge attack from the food and drug industry which will be (and clearly already is being) amplified by Democrats and their supporters who just hate anything Trump does.

They will say that RFK is an outsider snd “medically unqualified” for this role. They will focus on his more controversial statements and ignore his decades-long interest in and work in this field. And the sick joke is that these are the very people who have presided over, and facilitated, this current health crisis!! THEIR medical associations are funded by pharmaceutical companies. THEY are getting rich off peoples’ suffering! So why are they so outraged about with this appointment? How could things possibly get any worse under RFK? What gives these people any right at all to complain about a new approach to health given that the health of the American people has been in steep decline over the last 30 years?

And as usual it is the poorest who suffer most. Where is the Democrat outrage at the state of the nation’s health?

I’ve followed RFK since his election campaign started. I don’t agree with everything he says but it is possible, as a grownup, to know
that you don’t have to agree with everything someone says to see that they can have some very good ideas. The soundbites from the MSM snd left-wing youtubers do not do him justice. You have to listen to him talk about his interest in: the dangers of ultra-processed food; pharmaceutical advertising; his concern about the epidemic of childhood illness; the mental health crisis; the power of the pharmaceutical, agricultural and and oil and gas industries; over-treatment by the medical profession - and his ideas for dealing with them. This is radical stuff, yes - but why on earth would you want things to stay as they are?
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The left are very outraged which means the correct decisions are being made 😌
 
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