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neroli said:
Think of the PR which goes into creating "celebrities"...I think it's refreshing to have a future Queen who has no intention of rocking the now precarious Royal boat. She comes across well in my opinion. We don't need to know what she's like in private
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don’t we? Don’t you wana know if the people representing the country on an international stage, are awful? Shouldn’t there be some sort of standard?

I don’t think it’s any big PR move on Kate’s part. I think she’s just a very bland person. She’s never done anything exciting in her life, including before she married William. Even in spare, the main thing of note Harry had to say about her was that she “liked fashion”.

the woman likes shopping for pretty clothes and getting blowouts and chilling at home. It’s what she did the entire time she was dating William. It’s what she does mostly now. She’s shown us her personality, it’s bland and insipid. White bread. Unassuming, Inoffensive and palatable to the masses.

it’s not that she’s taking this approach as a reaction to her role, but rather she was chosen by William precisely because a bland Unassuming personality is the only type that works for the archaic role of Princess of wales.
 
cee-bee said:
don’t we? Don’t you wana know if the people representing the country on an international stage, are awful? Shouldn’t there be some sort of standard?

I don’t think it’s any big PR move on Kate’s part. I think she’s just a very bland person. She’s never done anything exciting in her life, including before she married William. Even in spare, the main thing of note Harry had to say about her was that she “liked fashion”.

the woman likes shopping for pretty clothes and getting blowouts and chilling at home. It’s what she did the entire time she was dating William. It’s what she does mostly now. She’s shown us her personality, it’s bland and insipid. White bread. Unassuming, Inoffensive and palatable to the masses.

it’s not that she’s taking this approach as a reaction to her role, but rather she was chosen by William precisely because a bland Unassuming personality is the only type that works for the archaic role of Princess of wales.
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I've no idea what she's like away from the cameras but she's not an embarrassment to the RF and sometimes "bland" is preferable to being outspoken and divisive. What's so bad about being "palatable"? She's not a reality TV star.
 
I think that's a bit harsh as well. I've never done anything majorly exciting in my life either but so what. She's a no drama person that likes family time by the sounds of it - there's a lot to be said for that. The only requirement for her job as a representative if the UK is to be nice to people and be politically neutral and she's good at that. What do people expect from the monarchy? They're not meant to be activists or political powerhouses. She could definitely work a bit harder but she's not going to last 60/70 years in the public eye if she's sharing all her inner most thoughts and opinions.
 
@cee-bee is 100% right - her personality and life has been wrapped up in William and pleasing him since she was 17-18. He does what he wants. She has the kids, the country houses, the life she really wanted. I waver between she really is a bland person or must have something there, but she (as well as William) just comes across as vapid and dim, despite the education.

He wanted someone bland who would follow his lead and turn a blind eye to anything he ever did, because she got the prize.

I'm a stay at home mom - it's a real job, and eats away at a lot of your own free time until they are in school - but I don't have any help at all. I don't have a public-facing job where I am paid by the taxpayers expected to hold up my end of the bargain - do some work a few times a week.

Neither of them want to work and I wonder how much the adoration of them being Not Harry and Not Meghan will last.
 
elliebee27 said:
@cee-bee is 100% right - her personality and life has been wrapped up in William and pleasing him since she was 17-18. He does what he wants. She has the kids, the country houses, the life she really wanted. I waver between she really is a bland person or must have something there, but she (as well as William) just comes across as vapid and dim, despite the education.

He wanted someone bland who would follow his lead and turn a blind eye to anything he ever did, because she got the prize.

I'm a stay at home mom - it's a real job, and eats away at a lot of your own free time until they are in school - but I don't have any help at all. I don't have a public-facing job where I am paid by the taxpayers expected to hold up my end of the bargain - do some work a few times a week.

Neither of them want to work and I wonder how much the adoration of them being Not Harry and Not Meghan will last.
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It'll last as long as the press don't point out their flaws.
 
I was taken in by the Harry PR! Now realizing what a POS human he is.. yikes..

I really respect Camilla and her get on with it attitude, the work she has done too for domestic and sexual violence is fabulous and needs more attention but she is 'the other woman' and not young and attractive anymore so nobody pays much mind to the excellent, vital things she does to bring attention to charities, rape kits, et cetera. As well as her literacy work and encouraging reading and writing. A++++

That is an example of good royal advocacy work that's real stuff.
 
I think it's being overestimated how much the public wants and would respect a driven or opinionated Princess of Wales. For all Diana was deified after her death, during her life her opinions got her immense blow-back. She caused a lot of embarrassment to the firm, as did Fergie.

And just look at how people discuss Kate. It's almost always looks first, any causes or work second. The public expects a royal woman to be a pretty toy they can look at, judge, and push their own opinions on. They are unfortunately seen as owned by the public, and if they're able to come to terms with that, giving as little of their true selves to that public can be a good safety precaution.
She is judged for her outfits, for her hair, for her choice of cause to support. Any judgement of her personality is based on our own assumptions and assertions.
 
To be honest I never understand why a woman (any woman) is torn apart for being “boring” “bland” etc. God forbid a woman wants to be a stay at home mum these days, how dare she?! I mean, personally I don’t even want kids but why do we judge women who decide they don’t want to rock the boat, aren’t a big flashy character with tonnes of personality and outspoken thoughts and actively want to be “mum” and focus their lives around the kids?

If Kate had turned around and said she didn’t want kids, or was out there every day spouting her opinions she would be torn to shreds - I imagine the slightly boring and beige public character is a defence mechanism more than anything
 
I think being labelled "boring/bland" these days means being predictable, solid, consistent and reliable. All perceived as negative qualities if you judge people by their social media output/carefully crafted PR persona but she's not an influencer or a reality TV star. She's a future Queen who rightfully maintains her privacy and dignity in my opinion.
 
Honeystar said:
To be honest I never understand why a woman (any woman) is torn apart for being “boring” “bland” etc. God forbid a woman wants to be a stay at home mum these days, how dare she?! I mean, personally I don’t even want kids but why do we judge women who decide they don’t want to rock the boat, aren’t a big flashy character with tonnes of personality and outspoken thoughts and actively want to be “mum” and focus their lives around the kids?

If Kate had turned around and said she didn’t want kids, or was out there every day spouting her opinions she would be torn to shreds - I imagine the slightly boring and beige public character is a defence mechanism more than anything
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I don’t think the spouse of the first in line to the throne of a hereditary monarchy gets to decide they don’t want kids, to be honest. I imagine that producing at least an heir is a big part of the castle/tiara deal.
 
I honestly don’t think we know anything about Kate at all in terms of who she is personally. Very much like the Queen, she’s absolutely excellent at presenting the expectation you have of her rather than who she truly is.

Like others have said, I don’t really see why being reliable and predictable are bad things?

I know lots of people don’t like Emma Watson, but she played the stay at home mum role in Little Woman and when she was interviewed about it I found it quite interesting.

People were saying “doesn’t this go against your feminist values?” And she just said that feminism should be about the right for women to choose what they want to do. Being a stay at home mum is just as much of a legitimate life choice as going and working a high flying career. Woman should be able to choose what they want to do and not have expectations put on them for their gender.

I would argue it doesn’t quite work for Kate because there are definitely expectations put on her due to her gender, but really, if what fulfills her is staying at home with her children, who really cares?
 
neroli said:
I think being labelled "boring/bland" these days means being predictable, solid, consistent and reliable. All perceived as negative qualities if you judge people by their social media output/carefully crafted PR persona but she's not an influencer or a reality TV star. She's a future Queen who rightfully maintains her privacy and dignity in my opinion.
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100% agree, its bloody pathetic that your judged by your social media output, I know people who regularly tell lies on it and make up tit to make them appear to have an amazing social, love and home life, Im aware that others who view it get sucked into it, while Ive got the savvy to see it for what it is and laugh at it, Catherine is everything we need in a future Queen, I love that she is predictable, solid, consistent and reliable and dignified
 
stardust21 said:
I honestly don’t think we know anything about Kate at all in terms of who she is personally. Very much like the Queen, she’s absolutely excellent at presenting the expectation you have of her rather than who she truly is.

Like others have said, I don’t really see why being reliable and predictable are bad things?

I know lots of people don’t like Emma Watson, but she played the stay at home mum role in Little Woman and when she was interviewed about it I found it quite interesting.

People were saying “doesn’t this go against your feminist values?” And she just said that feminism should be about the right for women to choose what they want to do. Being a stay at home mum is just as much of a legitimate life choice as going and working a high flying career. Woman should be able to choose what they want to do and not have expectations put on them for their gender.

I would argue it doesn’t quite work for Kate because there are definitely expectations put on her due to her gender, but really, if what fulfills her is staying at home with her children, who really cares?
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Because she is supposedly a full time working Royal?
(and as much as they like to PR ‘just like you’ their version of ‘stay at home mum’ differs wildly from the actuality of most people who they are not like at all).
 
Boring Monday said:
Because she is supposedly a full time working Royal?
(and as much as they like to PR ‘just like you’ their version of ‘stay at home mum’ differs wildly from the actuality of most people who they are not like at all).
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Tbh, we have no idea what she is doing with her time when not at public engagements. For all we know she could be working 9-5 having meetings etc. I’d argue that getting her hair done, beauty regimes, working out to maintain her look etc are all part of her job too.

I don’t think they’re anything like me, nor do I want them to be. All I want the Royal Family to be is a group of people that other world leaders have an intrigue about so they want to meet them, so they hold a sort of soft power for the UK on a world stage.

As bad as this may sound, I really don’t care if they aren’t out and about every single day. I just don’t want to have someone like Boris Johnson, or Donald Trump, as my head of state.

And I’m glad they are political neutral. I literally could not give less of a tit what Kate’s opinions on the Tories or Labour are. That’s not the job. Her job is to represent the UK on a world stage, and to support charities at home. If she also wants to spend time with her children when they’re young I don’t begrudge that. If she’s in a position where she can then fair play to her tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
Honeystar said:
To be honest I never understand why a woman (any woman) is torn apart for being “boring” “bland” etc. God forbid a woman wants to be a stay at home mum these days, how dare she?! I mean, personally I don’t even want kids but why do we judge women who decide they don’t want to rock the boat, aren’t a big flashy character with tonnes of personality and outspoken thoughts and actively want to be “mum” and focus their lives around the kids?

If Kate had turned around and said she didn’t want kids, or was out there every day spouting her opinions she would be torn to shreds - I imagine the slightly boring and beige public character is a defence mechanism more than anything
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her being called bland has nothing to do with being a SAHM. She was bland before kids, bland with them and will likely continue to be bland and uninspiring until old age.
 
stardust21 said:
Tbh, we have no idea what she is doing with her time when not at public engagements. For all we know she could be working 9-5 having meetings etc. I’d argue that getting her hair done, beauty regimes, working out to maintain her look etc are all part of her job too.

I don’t think they’re anything like me, nor do I want them to be. All I want the Royal Family to be is a group of people that other world leaders have an intrigue about so they want to meet them, so they hold a sort of soft power for the UK on a world stage.

As bad as this may sound, I really don’t care if they aren’t out and about every single day. I just don’t want to have someone like Boris Johnson, or Donald Trump, as my head of state.

And I’m glad they are political neutral. I literally could not give less of a tit what Kate’s opinions on the Tories or Labour are. That’s not the job. Her job is to represent the UK on a world stage, and to support charities at home. If she also wants to spend time with her children when they’re young I don’t begrudge that. If she’s in a position where she can then fair play to her tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️
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I was just commenting on the point about who cares if she wants to be a full time working mum? No one I would think … but her actual job role is that if full time working royal so technically she isn’t that anyway.
 
Honeystar said:
To be honest I never understand why a woman (any woman) is torn apart for being “boring” “bland” etc. God forbid a woman wants to be a stay at home mum these days, how dare she?! I mean, personally I don’t even want kids but why do we judge women who decide they don’t want to rock the boat, aren’t a big flashy character with tonnes of personality and outspoken thoughts and actively want to be “mum” and focus their lives around the kids?

If Kate had turned around and said she didn’t want kids, or was out there every day spouting her opinions she would be torn to shreds - I imagine the slightly boring and beige public character is a defence mechanism more than anything
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Because the British taxpayer pays for her. We make all sorts of demands on people who received benefits, they have to look for work, do courses etc. if we fund her then she has to be doing something. I wouldn’t bother to comment on her brother and sister and how they spend their time as a comparison. The fact she receives public money is also why I completely understand why she and William couldn’t help her parents out when their business collapsed (although I could also understand the anger of suppliers that they didn’t because they are so publicly wealthy), they would be under too much scrutiny. It’s also why I would never ever joins the RF (not that I have been asked 🤭), people will always feel they have a right to scrutinise them and because their child will be the next monarch, they can be scrutinised too (unlike children of presidents who can have a much stronger argument for privacy). It’s not healthy for the family at all and it wouldn’t be my first choice for how to have a head of state. But if the alternative would be Trump, Johnson, Blair etc then it feels like it’s the least worst option. As long as they are scrutinised carefully and have limited power.
 
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