The Archie Battersbee case #17

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GenociderSyo said:
She is in the news again. Funny how shes posted his tiktok videos from his phone so she has access.

www.nationalworld.com

Mum worried new law will stop her finding out truth about Archie Battersbee's death

Hollie Dance and Lisa Kenevan are part of the Bereaved Families for Online Safety group, which has campaigned for greater data access for grieving parents.
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She knew full well what Archie was doing on TikTok.

Blaming others for her own inadequacy as a mother.
 
Rachel H14 said:
She knew full well what Archie was doing on TikTok.

Blaming others for her own inadequacy as a mother.
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What 'truth' is she trying to 'discover'. Like her going over every single page of medical record trying to discover the 'truth'. The only person who knows the 'truth' is currently languishing under a theme park mountain of tat. Why does she want a second inquest? The Tiktok video he viewed isn't going to change the Coroners verdict. Unless Holly wants to sue TikTok and at the moment there just isn't the evidence!
 
TerrifiedofKittens said:
What 'truth' is she trying to 'discover'. Like her going over every single page of medical record trying to discover the 'truth'. The only person who knows the 'truth' is currently languishing under a theme park mountain of tat. Why does she want a second inquest? The Tiktok video he viewed isn't going to change the Coroners verdict. Unless Holly wants to sue TikTok and at the moment there just isn't the evidence!
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Also I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to find out what specific tiktoks someone has watched at a certain day/time? Like regardless of what he did that day those videos could be deleted/from accounts that don’t exist etc etc. Ridiculous she can’t accept her kid offed himself and she failed as a parent.
 
If she truly believes tiktok contributed to what happened to archie, then why doesn't she campaign for better/easier ways to monitor what your child is viewing on there?

She could push for tiktok to verify users and for an activity log to be provided to a verified parent.

Oh wait, that would involve her admitting she wasn't monitoring his usage in the first place.
 
Trying to find evidence that’s not there to blame TikTok (or anyone else) when she as the parent gave him the phone and allowed him to access it despite being underage. Surely she wouldn’t be able to pursue them in that basis.
The more she throws around unproven accusations, the more the Press will say there’s no evidence of them and people will begin to realise there really isn’t anymore to it than a sad suicide.
She needs to take her money, get out of the public eye and get a lot of therapy
 
littlepup said:
Trying to find evidence that’s not there to blame TikTok (or anyone else) when she as the parent gave him the phone and allowed him to access it despite being underage. Surely she wouldn’t be able to pursue them in that basis.
The more she throws around unproven accusations, the more the Press will say there’s no evidence of them and people will begin to realise there really isn’t anymore to it than a sad suicide.
She needs to take her money, get out of the public eye and get a lot of therapy
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Thankfully with her medical degree from Facebook and with her Facebook medical experts she will soon decipher complex medical notes...

...what exactly does she think monotonous medical notes charting the valiant struggle of teams of medical experts in their hapless task of keeping a corpse from deteriorating going to show?
 
gimm3more said:
“Strangulation prank or experiment gone wrong” FFS
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I think the press know that it wasn't a "prank" that Archie was doing. He was taking his own life after being depressed for more than a year and not receiving support and had tried everything he could to get that support and I am sure they know that but they are being careful with what they say. By saying it is "a prank gone wrong" it erases the pain he was really going through in my opinion. Children do end their own lives intentionally, a close friend of mine being one of them, she died at age 12 just like Archie. I even had someone say to me when I was a kid "Are you sure it was suicide? she was very young?" to which I replied "Yes, I am very sure" they couldn't believe that a child would end their own lives. That is why we need more awareness, Archie's story could have been used to help other children learn about Mental Health and maybe even talks and workshops for parents where they can learn how to support their child . That would help so many children and families.
 
neroli said:
The sad thing is that as she is such a loud and aggressive woman she could have got mental health support for Archie. Parents don't get anything for being respectful and polite when trying to access help. He/she who shouts loudest gets the attention no matter how unfair.
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She comes across as one of those people who really enjoys fighting the authorities (like the years she spent trying to get a school to meet his needs) but would never actually work with or respect any sort of professional.
 
Starlight_100 said:
I think the press know that it wasn't a "prank" that Archie was doing. He was taking his own life after being depressed for more than a year and not receiving support and had tried everything he could to get that support and I am sure they know that but they are being careful with what they say. By saying it is "a prank gone wrong" it erases the pain he was really going through in my opinion. Children do end their own lives intentionally, a close friend of mine being one of them, she died at age 12 just like Archie. I even had someone say to me when I was a kid "Are you sure it was suicide? she was very young?" to which I replied "Yes, I am very sure" they couldn't believe that a child would end their own lives. That is why we need more awareness, Archie's story could have been used to help other children learn about Mental Health and maybe even talks and workshops for parents where they can learn how to support their child . That would help so many children and families.
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The suicide rate is far higher than the official statistics show. Many deaths, like Archie's, end up as misadventure or accidental due to the evidence required. A close relative of mine jumped off a multi storey car park but the inquest ruled his death as 'accidental'. I knew he intended to kill himself but he didn't leave a note and had made some vague plans for the future. Hollie will spend her entire life trying to prove Archie didn't die dangling at the end of his dressing gown cord hanging from the banisters but was killed by medical negligence and the NHS. This will consume her entire existence and she will pop up in the media for years to come jumping on whatever bandwagon comes along.
 
I doubt whether she even knew what his needs actually were?
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TerrifiedofKittens said:
The suicide rate is far higher than the official statistics show. Many deaths, like Archie's, end up as misadventure or accis dental due to the evidence required. A close relative of mine jumped off a multi storey car park but the inquest ruled his death as 'accidental'. I knew he intended to kill himself but he didn't leave a note and had made some vague plans for the future. Hollie will spend her entire life trying to prove Archie didn't die dangling at the end of his dressing gown cord hanging from the banisters but was killed by medical negligence and the NHS. This will consume her entire existence and she will pop up in the media for years to come jumping on whatever bandwagon comes along.
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I'm very sorry to hear what happened to your relative...I presume the "accidental" verdict was made to make things "easier" for his family?. I nearly lost my son to suicide and that was bad enough. It's a terrible legacy for the family
 
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maytoseptember said:
She comes across as one of those people who really enjoys fighting the authorities (like the years she spent trying to get a school to meet his needs) but would never actually work with or respect any sort of professional.
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Many moons ago I worked with care leavers. One particular combative girl sticks in my mind. Everything was a battle she had to win and even where she thought she had won that wasn't enough and she had to start another battle. Care leavers were exempt from the Governments Single Room Rent rules for under 25s until they were 21. This meant they could get the Housing Benefit for a flat instead of a single room - but this particular girl had to turn it into a battle with the Housing Benefits Department with appeals and MPs letters that she was the victim of discrimination - despite her full rent being paid! And then there was the battle with the Housing Department - care leavers went to the top of the queue for housing but they couldn't magically conjour housing immediately - people had to wait for a property to become available - but again she had to turn it into a battle despite people bending over backwards to get her housed. Every interaction with authority she wanted a receipt for - if she visited, phoned, handed in documentary evidence etc. Then she would use the Data Protection Act to ask for any information the Local Authority had on her and then make a complaint if a particular visit, phone call etc hadn't been registered despite her having a receipt for it. She would start a complaint that a visit hadn't been registered despite the visit being pointless. People who spent their whole working lives helping people just ended up collectively hating her. That particular girl, with her pointless battles with authority, was so much like care leaver Hollie. I would use one word to describe her - crybully.
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neroli said:
I doubt whether she even knew what his needs actually were?
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I'm very sorry to hear what happened to your relative...I presume the "accidental" verdict was made to make things "easier" for his family?. I nearly lost my son to suicide and that was bad enough. It's a terrible legacy for the family
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The family lied at the inquest and said he was bird spotting as the height of the car park got him closer to the birds and he must have toppled! They really said this as I got his coroners report. The accidental verdict meant his mortgage company paid his mortgage in full and as he didn't leave a will it went straight to his family who lied.
 
TerrifiedofKittens said:
Many moons ago I worked with care leavers. One particular combative girl sticks in my mind. Everything was a battle she had to win and even where she thought she had won that wasn't enough and she had to start another battle. Care leavers were exempt from the Governments Single Room Rent rules for under 25s until they were 21. This meant they could get the Housing Benefit for a flat instead of a single room - but this particular girl had to turn it into a battle with the Housing Benefits Department with appeals and MPs letters that she was the victim of discrimination - despite her full rent being paid! And then there was the battle with the Housing Department - care leavers went to the top of the queue for housing but they couldn't magically conjour housing immediately - people had to wait for a property to become available - but again she had to turn it into a battle despite people bending over backwards to get her housed. Every interaction with authority she wanted a receipt for - if she visited, phoned, handed in documentary evidence etc. Then she would use the Data Protection Act to ask for any information the Local Authority had on her and then make a complaint if a particular visit, phone call etc hadn't been registered despite her having a receipt for it. She would start a complaint that a visit hadn't been registered despite the visit being pointless. People who spent their whole working lives helping people just ended up collectively hating her. That particular girl, with her pointless battles with authority, was so much like care leaver Hollie. I would use one word to describe her - crybully.
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Combative is the word.

A massive section of the white working class/underclass are like this (my family background is very white working class btw). That’s why Hollie managed to get such a big following, as did the parents of Alfie Evans, Charlie Gard etc. The whole point being projecting your anger and feelings of inadequacy at authority figures that you hate, without really knowing why.
 
TerrifiedofKittens said:
Many moons ago I worked with care leavers. One particular combative girl sticks in my mind. Everything was a battle she had to win and even where she thought she had won that wasn't enough and she had to start another battle. Care leavers were exempt from the Governments Single Room Rent rules for under 25s until they were 21. This meant they could get the Housing Benefit for a flat instead of a single room - but this particular girl had to turn it into a battle with the Housing Benefits Department with appeals and MPs letters that she was the victim of discrimination - despite her full rent being paid! And then there was the battle with the Housing Department - care leavers went to the top of the queue for housing but they couldn't magically conjour housing immediately - people had to wait for a property to become available - but again she had to turn it into a battle despite people bending over backwards to get her housed. Every interaction with authority she wanted a receipt for - if she visited, phoned, handed in documentary evidence etc. Then she would use the Data Protection Act to ask for any information the Local Authority had on her and then make a complaint if a particular visit, phone call etc hadn't been registered despite her having a receipt for it. She would start a complaint that a visit hadn't been registered despite the visit being pointless. People who spent their whole working lives helping people just ended up collectively hating her. That particular girl, with her pointless battles with authority, was so much like care leaver Hollie. I would use one word to describe her - crybully.
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The family lied at the inquest and said he was bird spotting as the height of the car park got him closer to the birds and he must have toppled! They really said this as I got his coroners report. The accidental verdict meant his mortgage company paid his mortgage in full and as he didn't leave a will it went straight to his family who lied.
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Nothing surprises me with people's grand sense of entitlement & money - chasing
 
VC10 said:
Nothing surprises me with people's grand sense of entitlement & money - chasing
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He had committed mortgage fraud to buy his house and was being investigated hence suicide as he thought he was going to jail and lose his home - this information didn't go to the Coroner. His family knew this so benefited from his death. I have not seen or spoken to them in 25 years.
 
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