Teen mom USA (the next chapter) #4

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Never his mother Kim. Now she really is a nasty piece of work in disguise. She loves being on tv and having a gossip with her son for the cameras. Yet, she may not have addiction issues herself making her a responsible adult, but apparently chose an addict to father her children and also let another abusive man into her life who according to Tyler sexually assaulted him. She’s so together and capable and has so much advice about Tyler and Cate’s continuous mental states, yet did nothing to protect her children. Then there is her daughter Amber, another addict, yet we never hear of Kim stepping in to care for her grandchildren or intervening and doing any parenting of her.

One of the episodes way back was awful to watch when Tyler was going to move in with cate and Kim and Amber discussed it beforehand that they didn’t think he wanted to and to tell him he didn’t have to, so they said it to him IN FRONT OF CATE and she looked so crushed it was awful
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Don’t know why they keep Cheyenne on the show? She’s a waste of airtime. The main story she is trying to push…for a second time…is that Ryder misses Cory when he does the Challenge. So basically they keep promoting another tv show, he’s not gone to war, he can phone her anytime and it’s not that long. Then we have this nonsense about Ryder accidentally calling Zack ‘dad’, and Cheyenne acting like it’s a big issue to navigate…when one casual conversation with Cory and Taylor and there isn’t even any tension over resolving the issue. Of the 4 parents involved, it’s not clear any of them have jobs outside of reality tv. Yet every birthday party etc is way over the top and plenty of cash to flash. Their storylines are getting to the point of issues for the sake of issues, like Chelsea had to resort to when we had all the fuss over Aubree buying her first cellphone…when they ran out of things to say about Adam and their own lives become too normal.

I’m sure there’s an ulterior motive for having chey on the show, due to her connections outside as mentioned above. But yes to the challenge stuff, yes Ryder will miss her dad, but he CHOSE to do all of this for money and fame. I’ve never taken to Corey tbh he’s a good dad but such a pick me and attention seeker.
 
Of the 4 parents involved, it’s not clear any of them have jobs outside of reality tv. Yet every birthday party etc is way over the top and plenty of cash to flash.

literally 😂 Zach goes to prison for a DUI, Cory's "job" is The Challenge on MTV and he acts like he's going off to fight WW3 each time he leaves. Cheyenne does nothing but float about complaining and I guess Cory's wife or girlfriend just looks after babies.
 
I love Ashley. She’s a nasty witch and I couldn’t cope with her in real life, but I love her bad attitude.

She has opened a salon and is in nursing school…which she didn’t abandon just because deadbeat Bar couldn’t do his basic community service…and stayed in Nevada without him. She’s knows how to knuckle down and work and if she can lose the attitude she will do very well in life.

She has seen right through Cheyenne the lazy fake with her contrived storylines. Chey and Zach tried to stretch reconciling across 2 episodes with his visit to Bar and her phone call to Ashley to make up for their lack of content. Then Ashley…was just ‘don’t care’.
 
I love Ashley. She’s a nasty witch and I couldn’t cope with her in real life, but I love her bad attitude.

She has opened a salon and is in nursing school…which she didn’t abandon just because deadbeat Bar couldn’t do his basic community service…and stayed in Nevada without him. She’s knows how to knuckle down and work and if she can lose the attitude she will do very well in life.

She has seen right through Cheyenne the lazy fake with her contrived storylines. Chey and Zach tried to stretch reconciling across 2 episodes with his visit to Bar and her phone call to Ashley to make up for their lack of content. Then Ashley…was just ‘don’t care’.
I just wonder why she is so aggressive to others? We saw her look after her younger sister whilst her Mum was going through some things but why didn't her older sister look after the younger one? Ashley seems to have a lot on her shoulders and does deal with it but does also need help sometimes but never seems to ask. Yeah she is strong but needs help now and then. She seem to get on well with Coach B before.
The problem with the "Just don't care" thing is that can come across badly and sometimes you end up on your own.
 
I agree she should be asking for help from others. I think there is more to her backstory than she is telling. Her brother I don’t think was mentioned before and his death is a bit mysterious. I think she is someone who has been let down by others multiple times in life (Bar being a prime example) and she has felt the need to become defensive and hard as a result. She’s strict with Holly, but if you consider how Bar turned out, and possibly her brother and other family or friends we don’t know about…she may have very good reason to fear the consequences of not raising her child perfectly.

She’s also got an ambition to be a nurse…which doesn’t exactly match her attitude, and she has taken on the care of her younger sister even while she it at college, has her own child to care for and her marriage is falling apart. I think underneath the attitude is a very caring woman, but she struggles to show it. Her arguing with people and pushing away potential friends is a self-defiance mechanism, she is hurting from other things such as the situation with Bar and doesn’t know how to cope when someone like Chey doesn’t speak about her in a positive way, she sees it as an outright attack not plain criticism. As she’s also on tv she doesn’t want to be seen as weak and not sticking to her principles so I think that’s why she is so adamant that she won’t back down from an argument. A lot of this may stem from her mother, Tea. If you watch the family reunion episodes where the fights happen…her mother is basically winding her up and egging her on and joining in with the fights (and she’s supposed to be a church pastor!). She has learned somewhere in early life that to survive as a black woman you need to be tough.

She’s also I think makes a fair point in regards to Chey. I think the initial argument was for stupid reasons and not necessary…so Ashley is at fault there. But the ‘making up’ efforts that Chey and Zack have decided to do all on camera all seem contrived and fake, so I think she is correct to shut it down. She’s also right on point with her response that they don’t need to be friends or speak to each other just because they might see each other at a reunion show, they could just politely ignore each other and have peace that way. It’s also a bit of a cheek that Chey wants them to get along when the whole thing started because Chey said they didn’t need to be friends (because they are both black)…which was a fair comment but then why is she later then so keen to make friends? The two of them have such different lives anyway, Ashley has some preconceived ideas from her upbringing about what it means to be a ‘black woman’ and Chey doesn’t conform to that, Chey is from money and hasn’t experienced life in the same way. Chey is also correct in the comment that sparked the initial argument that they don’t need to automatically be friends just because they are both black, Ashley is used to generally only making friends with other black girls with the same ideals as herself, which can be seen from her friendship group. They are never going to understand each other.

In the UK we maybe don’t fully appreciate the racial element of what the issue is between these two, the US still has black and white neighbourhoods, suffers from racial prejudice on a bigger scale than here. From the recent 2 TM series I think that it’s clear that Ashley has experienced it (or at least been on the sidelines of it, or been taught about it) and Chey has not.
 
The lady doing the Amber timeline on TT has just covered the horrendous episode where Matt tries to convince Amber to marry him. I feel a bit sorry for Amber here although she has entertained Matt after many red flags. I missed the bit the first time around that Matt said to the female producer “I don’t care who you have to give oral pleasure to, but keep the Amber/matt wedding thing off the tv” 😳😳 the fact the producer doesn’t bat an eyelid makes me think that Matt was just generally unpleasant 24/7 but I can’t believe he said this and nobody on the team told Amber immediately. He was a tw@t after at the meal too. Awful
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I agree she should be asking for help from others. I think there is more to her backstory than she is telling. Her brother I don’t think was mentioned before and his death is a bit mysterious. I think she is someone who has been let down by others multiple times in life (Bar being a prime example) and she has felt the need to become defensive and hard as a result. She’s strict with Holly, but if you consider how Bar turned out, and possibly her brother and other family or friends we don’t know about…she may have very good reason to fear the consequences of not raising her child perfectly.

She’s also got an ambition to be a nurse…which doesn’t exactly match her attitude, and she has taken on the care of her younger sister even while she it at college, has her own child to care for and her marriage is falling apart. I think underneath the attitude is a very caring woman, but she struggles to show it. Her arguing with people and pushing away potential friends is a self-defiance mechanism, she is hurting from other things such as the situation with Bar and doesn’t know how to cope when someone like Chey doesn’t speak about her in a positive way, she sees it as an outright attack not plain criticism. As she’s also on tv she doesn’t want to be seen as weak and not sticking to her principles so I think that’s why she is so adamant that she won’t back down from an argument. A lot of this may stem from her mother, Tea. If you watch the family reunion episodes where the fights happen…her mother is basically winding her up and egging her on and joining in with the fights (and she’s supposed to be a church pastor!). She has learned somewhere in early life that to survive as a black woman you need to be tough.

She’s also I think makes a fair point in regards to Chey. I think the initial argument was for stupid reasons and not necessary…so Ashley is at fault there. But the ‘making up’ efforts that Chey and Zack have decided to do all on camera all seem contrived and fake, so I think she is correct to shut it down. She’s also right on point with her response that they don’t need to be friends or speak to each other just because they might see each other at a reunion show, they could just politely ignore each other and have peace that way. It’s also a bit of a cheek that Chey wants them to get along when the whole thing started because Chey said they didn’t need to be friends (because they are both black)…which was a fair comment but then why is she later then so keen to make friends? The two of them have such different lives anyway, Ashley has some preconceived ideas from her upbringing about what it means to be a ‘black woman’ and Chey doesn’t conform to that, Chey is from money and hasn’t experienced life in the same way. Chey is also correct in the comment that sparked the initial argument that they don’t need to automatically be friends just because they are both black, Ashley is used to generally only making friends with other black girls with the same ideals as herself, which can be seen from her friendship group. They are never going to understand each other.

In the UK we maybe don’t fully appreciate the racial element of what the issue is between these two, the US still has black and white neighbourhoods, suffers from racial prejudice on a bigger scale than here. From the recent 2 TM series I think that it’s clear that Ashley has experienced it (or at least been on the sidelines of it, or been taught about it) and Chey has not.

I really like your breakdown and summary of these girls it’s spot on
 
And again 🙄
 

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The reunion pt 1. Maci is very real, very truthful. Not sure I agree with her bringing Bentley out onto the show. He’s quite shy, maybe it was good for his confidence, but given the difficult subject matter (especially as he probably heard what was said prior to him going on stage) not sure it was in his best interests to do it.
 
What happened to Joe? He looks middle aged 😳

I saw a photo of Jo and v the other day and it looked like she was hugging her dad! I appreciate the relationship etc but he’s def turned into his dad lol
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Meanwhile Jenelle is busy posting videos of her hiding from the paparazzi, she’s just so detached at this point, I don’t even know why she’s in court, saw a post earlier that Jace probably won’t be returned to her or Barb the poor lad
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The reunion pt 1. Maci is very real, very truthful. Not sure I agree with her bringing Bentley out onto the show. He’s quite shy, maybe it was good for his confidence, but given the difficult subject matter (especially as he probably heard what was said prior to him going on stage) not sure it was in his best interests to do it.

I think there must have been some convincing for her to bring him out, esp to be questioned by dr Drew
 
Yes, I think Maci would have agreed the questions he would be asked in advance.

Looking at the preview for pt2…there is Leah on the couch with Amber sobbing her ‘poor me’ whatever. Duty of care for Leah I think has failed there from Amber. I notice as well she is not sat next to her mother, Gary is in the middle. I suspect she has been allowed/agreed to go on the show because she has been taught pretty well by Gary and Kristina how to react gracefully to Amber’s behaviour. Also watching earlier reruns, where Amber disappears for months at a time due to depression…yet during that time is able to find a new partner and is all excited about a new pregnancy. Leah at age 8 was picking up on the fact that she is too depressed to see her child but not to find a new man. Then there is Gary basically saying he doesn’t have the option of taking a break from parenting not matter what his health status, and having to hand-hold Amber when she is on her own and support her to have a relationship with Leah. Which I totally think is true. The amount of times Gary/Kristina have made efforts to invite her over, gone with her to her house when there are problems etc and let it go every time she blows up and insults them publicly is insane. She doesn’t seem to recognise their patience and how due to her absences they could have gone to court for no contact at all if they thought it best for Leah. They even encouraged Leah in the last couple years to have contact with Amber even when Leah didn’t want it, by inviting Amber over for dinner etc. I think Leah has been coached by Gary/Kristina to just act with compassion towards Amber…but not necessarily think of her has a mother figure as she isn’t capable of being one.

Cheyenne and family. The more I watch them the more I think they are just very media trained, her and Cory in particular, extending to the rest of them. The TM cameras aren’t there 24/7, aren’t seeing every text message. I think they are basically a ‘brand’. They present themselves as the perfect co-parents, adding in some of their personal issues when it suits them to have it make a storyline. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone in that family have a hair out of place, or their homes have a pile of dirty dishes etc, they present for the camera all the time. They are more tv personalities than real-life. If they don’t want us to know something they will be good at hiding it. The car ‘accident’/shooting was on the news, they have included it because they can’t ignore it. I don’t think they wanted to.
 
Anyone seen any court updates on David yet? I know he was going today i only follow the Ashley and nothing so far but I have no idea what time it is out there
Also Jennelle went yesterday for an update on the custody battle but not heard how that went either
 
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