Strictly Come Dancing 2024 #23

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posy said:
Gio just appears to be incredibly insensitive, whatever Amanda’s motives, she isn’t the first person, who he has behaved like that towards. For instance the latest article in the s*n. His team don’t appear to be denying he said it, just that it was banter, etc.
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Gio Pernice accused of using shocking slur on epileptic man in BBC complaint

GIOVANNI Pernice called a dance show colleague a “s*****c” because of his epilepsy, BBC investigators were told. The former Strictly pro was alleged to have made the remark when the pair were worki…
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The more that comes out about what Gio considers banter, the more I wonder about the celebs, pros and judges that appear to be close to him.
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In my lexicon of vocab unable to decipher the word he used. 🤔 Anyone care to give another clue.
 
ChastityDingle said:
I think the judges are starting to make a bit more effort this time to recognise the work that the various celebs are putting in rather than just putting them down, which is good. I thought that summed up Pete's approach well. He endeared himself to me, on the first night, after getting fairly harsh comments, and not great scores, he took it all in good spirits, and said he was enjoying himself, despite being way out of his comfort zone.

I always hated when the judges cut the legs from under a celeb who had clearly worked hard and whom the judges seemed to forget, was not going to become a professional dancer in the course of the series. I imagine standing there thinking jeepers I managed to get through that, and I'm pleased with myself, only to be taken apart for things I barely understand.
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Yes it was always verging on upsetting when the judges were either just rude or openly laughed at the couple.
Whether the celebrity is good or terrible they all put in a lot of effort and work. No celebrity sets out to be useless or figure of fun (even if they have a good sense of humour - the insults must hurt).
There are ways to give a useful critique and encouragement without being unpleasant and disrespectful. Sometimes the criticism is obviously playing to the crowd for laughs. I think they can give helpful constructive feedback and then still give a low mark. Over marking is frustrating.
 
ButtonDownTheHutches said:
It’s presented as a sort of a ‘dance contest’, but realistically it isn’t any such thing, because it can’t be.

It’s a light entertainment show themed around dancing, but when you’re putting people in their 20s with dance training up against people many decades older than them, people with zero performance or dance background, people with varying disabilities, etc., obviously the ‘contest’ element is something of a misnomer.

There’s no point thinking about whether anything was scored fairly or not because nothing about it is objectively ‘fair’, and that includes the contestant trajectories that are manipulated behind the scenes (who gets a decent costume, who gets a sensible song that is appropriate to the dance style, who gets designated as this year’s comedy contestant, etc.)

Let’s be honest, in what parallel universe was Les Dennis ever a viable ‘contestant’ against the likes of Layton or Ellie? 🤷‍♀️
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THIS totally. Then it is quite absurd that the judges constantly nit pick on a foot out of place or banana hands etc, then she gets her little shoes out, treating the celeb and us viewers like some kind of simpletons.

Are they judging on:
Dance technique.
Quality of storytelling.
Entertainment value.
or something else, by which I mean, their own or productions preferences?
 
I am totally team Amanda in the whole saga but coming out with this “I was relieved to have a cancer scare” line seems tone deaf considering she was competing in the one series when a professional was sitting out due to breast cancer. I don’t know, even if that’s how she felt I don’t think she needed to come out and say it publicly. I get the thought behind it, that it had got so bad and she was relieved to have an out, but it just doesn’t quite sit right with me
 
Honeystar said:
I am totally team Amanda in the whole saga but coming out with this “I was relieved to have a cancer scare” line seems tone deaf considering she was competing in the one series when a professional was sitting out due to breast cancer. I don’t know, even if that’s how she felt I don’t think she needed to come out and say it publicly. I get the thought behind it, that it had got so bad and she was relieved to have an out, but it just doesn’t quite sit right with me
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I think she was saying that even though it was awful it allowed her to make up her mind to leave. Not that she was glad to have a cancer scare but it gave her a legitimate reason to quit. I agree that it maybe doesn't land well, but then for most people it doesn't matter what she says at this stage.

Re: the horrible slur he used to the coworker on his tour, even though his fans will dismiss it, I wonder if now more people will come forward with their stories about him? There must be quite a few disgruntled instabes with receipts
 
soccergirl said:
I think she was saying that even though it was awful it allowed her to make up her mind to leave. Not that she was glad to have a cancer scare but it gave her a legitimate reason to quit. I agree that it maybe doesn't land well, but then for most people it doesn't matter what she says at this stage.

Re: the horrible slur he used to the coworker on his tour, even though his fans will dismiss it, I wonder if now more people will come forward with their stories about him? There must be quite a few disgruntled instabes with receipts
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I totally get where she was coming from, I just think when there was a professional who had the series taken from her due to breast cancer, it was perhaps not the right thing to say and was never going to land well tbh.
 
ButtonDownTheHutches said:
It’s presented as a sort of a ‘dance contest’, but realistically it isn’t any such thing, because it can’t be.

It’s a light entertainment show themed around dancing, but when you’re putting people in their 20s with dance training up against people many decades older than them, people with zero performance or dance background, people with varying disabilities, etc., obviously the ‘contest’ element is something of a misnomer.

There’s no point thinking about whether anything was scored fairly or not because nothing about it is objectively ‘fair’, and that includes the contestant trajectories that are manipulated behind the scenes (who gets a decent costume, who gets a sensible song that is appropriate to the dance style, who gets designated as this year’s comedy contestant, etc.)

Let’s be honest, in what parallel universe was Les Dennis ever a viable ‘contestant’ against the likes of Layton or Ellie? 🤷‍♀️
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Absolutely. They ask you to vote for your "favourites" and not the best dancers. I mean look at some of the winners, hardly ever are they the best dancers that year (Chris Hollins anyone :rolleyes:) but usually the most "popular" and that's also hard to define isn't it! Different strokes for different folks 🤷‍♀️
 
npfiii said:
My main (non-Neil) issue this week was the Couples Choice.

It was a genuinely fantastic routine, she looked like she loved every second of it.

...but...

This is a dance contest where the judges critique and score on the technical competency of the dance (allegedly, recently that doesn't matter as long as the judge 'enjoyed it', then they just flat out ignore if it was actually tit or not) and all the judges all said Bollywood was a style they knew nothing about.

How the duck can they score fairly when other dancers were being marked down for missed steps, incorrect posture, etc in styles the judges do know and this one was just "I loved it, but can't tell you if it was done well or not, so here's a score I pulled out of my arse!"
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The same is true of contemporary and street, none of them are qualified to judge those styles and it shows. In fact the most qualified person on the show for street dance is Tasha!
 
IndominusRex said:
The same is true of contemporary and street, none of them are qualified to judge those styles and it shows. In fact the most qualified person on the show for street dance is Tasha!
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exactly! it would be borderline impossible to have a judge panel that covered expertise in every area of dance that a contestant could possibly cover. craig doesn’t come from a classic ballroom background, more a musical theatre one, and he’s the one who speaks the most sense 🤣

plus as others have said more eloquently than me: it’s long past being an actual dance competition. if anything it’s a performance competition now.
 
Jelly Bean said:
Yes it was always verging on upsetting when the judges were either just rude or openly laughed at the couple.
Whether the celebrity is good or terrible they all put in a lot of effort and work. No celebrity sets out to be useless or figure of fun (even if they have a good sense of humour - the insults must hurt).
There are ways to give a useful critique and encouragement without being unpleasant and disrespectful. Sometimes the criticism is obviously playing to the crowd for laughs. I think they can give helpful constructive feedback and then still give a low mark. Over marking is frustrating.
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Exactly. One example - Tony Adams worked his socks off and I looked forward every week to seeing what he and Katya would do. But it wasn't until he was leaving that Craig said something like you're what Strictly is all about.

They had all treated him as a joke act before that. No commendation for the work he and Katya put in. I still remember his first night when he looked terrified and was barely able to move. He took it all with good humour although he did say something in reply to Craig about wishing he had told him that before then.
 
It's a hard one because for the most part you want someone who is entertaining and can dance, I'd rather it was more the former, but that's personal preference. Like honestly? Watching Paul do Vindaloo is one of my favourite Strictly dances ever. Is it dire? Yes. Should he win? Definitely not. But it cheers you up and watching Tasha as stunningly beautiful and talented as she may be, bores me to tears. There's a line between enjoyable to watch, while also being able to move (or improving atleast some as you go) and that's why Punam is my fave atm.

I'd personally rather keep contestants like Paul in for a while than the middlers like JB, Sam and Jamie who you completely forget after 5 minutes.
 
npfiii said:
My main (non-Neil) issue this week was the Couples Choice.

It was a genuinely fantastic routine, she looked like she loved every second of it.

...but...

This is a dance contest where the judges critique and score on the technical competency of the dance (allegedly, recently that doesn't matter as long as the judge 'enjoyed it', then they just flat out ignore if it was actually tit or not) and all the judges all said Bollywood was a style they knew nothing about.

How the duck can they score fairly when other dancers were being marked down for missed steps, incorrect posture, etc in styles the judges do know and this one was just "I loved it, but can't tell you if it was done well or not, so here's a score I pulled out of my arse!"
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😂

Craig. After that he has a nerve giving any critical remark.

Not quite sure why they are paid the huge sums of money when they really cannot be arsed to do any research on any of the celebs. They have no clue of the celebs background, what in life they may have suffered, achieved, dance history.

Craig referred to Paul with an anology about alcohol in the first programme, absolute deaf ear to his previous problems.

I don't know much about some of these celebs, along with those in the 'never heard of them' category, but I think all of us here know far more about each celeb than the judges do. Have they not got an obligation to do some homework on the people they are judging.

Overpaid and we are all getting very tired of all of them.
 
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Professor Yaffle said:
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Thank you.

Yes very outdated and makes you question where he heard that word. Shame on him if this alleged word was uttered.
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Indeed, where and in what context would he have heard the word? If indeed he actually used it and in a derogatory manner. From what I have read, they got on well.
I guess people who never liked Gio are going to think the worst and those who have always liked him will think the opposite, especially as a lot of the so called 'evidence' of this whole saga, is 'he said, she said'.
 
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