Sir Keir Starmer

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Miss Begotten said:
I don’t need to google thanks, I know exactly who they are.
Any thoughts on “Lord” Lebedev?
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The son of the KGB, oh, FSB officer? Hmmm...
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moldwarp said:
Are we playing a game of 'your Lord is less corrupt than my Lord'? Because I don't want to play that: they are ALL as bad as each other and they are ALL on the take. Believe me. That partisan shite is just a way to keep us plebs divided - we're much more of a threat if we realise that ALL politicians are the same and the whole structure is rotten. Much easier to keep us squabbling over whether red is worse or better than blue etc etc.

Corbyn understood this...which is why the powers that be hated him.

On the question of Charlotte Owens...hmmm, you've accidentally (or on purpose?) put your finger on rather a ....delicate issue. And not just for Boris. You're on the right track...for more than one politician, of more than one political persausion. Keep investigating....
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She's either Stanley's daughter (BoJo's half sister), or BoJo's love child.
 
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PeteM said:
You seem obsessed by people possibly being gay. How odd. You are probably the last person in the country to not know that Lord Alli is gay. You'll tit yourself when you hear that George Michael is gay.
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Agreed. Who gives a duck that he's gay? There are more serious questions to answer e.g.

1. Alli's role in the collapse of Chorion and the money he made from its going bust.
2. Why was Alli given a Downing Street pass despite having no role in Government? If he's just a well meaning donor who doesn't seek to privately influence Government policy, why was he given the highest level of security clearance to go in and out the heart of Government at his whim?
3. How many times did Alli have personal meetings with genocidal monster Bashar Al Assad in 2015 (we know at least once) and did this grim 'friendship' have anything to do with Ed Miliband's shock decision to leave innocent Syrians to their fate when they begged for help?

Now to be fair Private Eye covered the Chorion affair in depth at the time and has also scrutinised Alli in recent years, but of course Free Gier wasn't PM then. At this point, far more scrutiny needs to be carried out into this potentially malign influence.

Up until this point, I've mostly confined myself to laughing at Kier's , erm, ALLEGED interesting life, and of course his attempts to cover it up which grow more shoddy by the day. It makes me lol quite a lot cos he got up back in August and made a speech about how his government would be full of honesty and integrity unlike the other lot, KIER ARE YOU STUPID OR JUST BLINDINGLY ARROGANT?? So yeah that's been lolzy, but there are serious issues and the media is now, thankfully, gearing up to do some serious journalism on them.
 
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PeteM said:
You seem obsessed by people possibly being gay. How odd. You are probably the last person in the country to not know that Lord Alli is gay. You'll tit yourself when you hear that George Michael is gay.
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I guess you'll be shitting yourself when you find out George Michael is dead.

To bring it back on topic, what is your guess on shady Kier man of the people shenanigan's?
 
moldwarp said:
Agreed. Who gives a duck that he's gay? There are more serious questions to answer e.g.

1. Alli's role in the collapse of Chorion and the money he made from its going bust.
2. Why was Alli given a Downing Street pass despite having no role in Government? If he's just a well meaning donor who doesn't seek to privately influence Government policy, why was he given the highest level of security clearance to go in and out the heart of Government at his whim?
3. How many times did Alli have personal meetings with genocidal monster Bashar Al Assad in 2015 (we know at least once) and did this grim 'friendship' have anything to do with Ed Miliband's shock decision to leave innocent Syrians to their fate when they begged for help?

Now to be fair Private Eye covered the Chorion affair in depth at the time and has also scrutinised Alli in recent years, but of course Free Gier wasn't PM then. At this point, far more scrutiny needs to be carried out into this potentially malign influence.

Up until this point, I've mostly confined myself to laughing at Kier's , erm, ALLEGED interesting life, and of course his attempts to cover it up which grow more shoddy by the day. It makes me lol quite a lot cos he got up back in August and made a speech about how his government would be full of honesty and integrity unlike the other lot, KIER ARE YOU STUPID OR JUST BLINDINGLY ARROGANT?? So yeah that's been lolzy, but there are serious issues and the media is now, thankfully, gearing up to do some serious journalism on them.
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Were they friends? Calling for him not to be removed from power isn't much of a basis for friendship in my opinion and calling it such is flinsy at best. The whole concept of going into Syria at that time was unpopular with the public and MPs, and there was no secret made of the fact Lord Alli was visiting the region. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhansrd/text/130829-0001.htm#13082914000078

Or are you suggesting he somehow influenced party policy then? Maybe he bought Starmer some shiny new shoes even though - checks notes - he was not even an MP yet?
 
HelloStereo said:
Were they friends? Calling for him not to be removed from power isn't much of a basis for friendship in my opinion and calling it such is flinsy at best. The whole concept of going into Syria at that time was unpopular with the public and MPs, and there was no secret made of the fact Lord Alli was visiting the region. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhansrd/text/130829-0001.htm#13082914000078

Or are you suggesting he somehow influenced party policy then? Maybe he bought Starmer some shiny new shoes even though - checks notes - he was not even an MP yet?
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I dunno. I defo think it should be looked into. But I highly doubt Alli would’ve been friends with Assad? I think he should be thoroughly investigated for undue influence but I think implying that he was be so morally bankrupt as to be friends with a genocidal monster is a bit much tbh.

I also think the Chorion thing should be looked into again. Private Eye covered it in depth at the time and the Sunday Times also reported on it last week. Basically it went bust despite telling shareholders it was doing great, but a week before it went bust, Alli the Chairman created some kind of vehicle and bought it for a fraction of what it was worth. Some observers might say that’s a bit dodge and maybe the Director of Public Prosecutions at the time should’ve looked into it.
 
moldwarp said:
I dunno. I defo think it should be looked into. But I highly doubt Alli would’ve been friends with Assad? I think he should be thoroughly investigated for undue influence but I think implying that he was be so morally bankrupt as to be friends with a genocidal monster is a bit much tbh.

I also think the Chorion thing should be looked into again. Private Eye covered it in depth at the time and the Sunday Times also reported on it last week. Basically it went bust despite telling shareholders it was doing great, but a week before it went bust, Alli the Chairman created some kind of vehicle and bought it for a fraction of what it was worth. Some observers might say that’s a bit dodge and maybe the Director of Public Prosecutions at the time should’ve looked into it.
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From what angle do you think it should be looked at? I'm not sure what you are suggesting is suspicious? He openly met with Assad and shared the same views as many MPs and people in the country. You said grim 'friendship' in your post and are now saying you doubt they were friends?
 
The other thing that does strike me about this Government is what a family affair it is?

You've got Ellie Reeves who is Chair of the Party who is sister of Rachel Reeves, the new MP for Queens Park and Maida Vale, Georgia Gould is the daughter of Blair's bezzie Philip Gould (they been trying to get her in for years I think so good on 'em for finally placing her I suppose?), James Nash MP for Rushcliffe who's Alistair Campbell’s nephew (really hate AC, gives me the creeps, would love to know the full story of what he said/did to David Kelly) and MP Liam Conlon who is Sue Gray's son.

It's like woah fellas, wouldn't you just back off and let someone else have a go??

I heavily dislike political 'families' in democracies, reeks of cronyism, the Johnson's used to wind me right up with Stanley Johnson popping up every now and then to defend his son's policies, like in what universe is that acceptable?? Also Boris's brother was an MP at one point I think although iirc he did finally show some cojones by resigning (?) over Brexit. I don't know much about Rachel Johnson except that she strongly resembles David St Hubbins from This Is Spinal Tap 😂

I know political dynasties used to be more acceptable in the States but I'm convinced that a generalised turning away from that is partly what lay behind Hillary's defeat in 2016 (that and the rampant misogyny of course). Robert Kennedy is a scion of that famous family who's worth looking into if you fancy laughing at politicians (which I always do). He tried to screw his ex over in divorce proceedings by claiming there was a parasite in his brain, boasts about killing baby bears, sexually assaulted a nanny and is an anti-vaxxer to boot. The Kennedy genes have clearly really gone downhill. Also he looks like he's been trapped for two days under a sunbed :ROFLMAO:
 
moldwarp said:
The other thing that does strike me about this Government is what a family affair it is?

You've got Ellie Reeves who is Chair of the Party who is sister of Rachel Reeves, the new MP for Queens Park and Maida Vale, Georgia Gould is the daughter of Blair's bezzie Philip Gould (they been trying to get her in for years I think so good on 'em for finally placing her I suppose?), James Nash MP for Rushcliffe who's Alistair Campbell’s nephew (really hate AC, gives me the creeps, would love to know the full story of what he said/did to David Kelly) and MP Liam Conlon who is Sue Gray's son.

It's like woah fellas, wouldn't you just back off and let someone else have a go??

I heavily dislike political 'families' in democracies, reeks of cronyism, the Johnson's used to wind me right up with Stanley Johnson popping up every now and then to defend his son's policies, like in what universe is that acceptable?? Also Boris's brother was an MP at one point I think although iirc he did finally show some cojones by resigning (?) over Brexit. I don't know much about Rachel Johnson except that she strongly resembles David St Hubbins from This Is Spinal Tap 😂

I know political dynasties used to be more acceptable in the States but I'm convinced that a generalised turning away from that is partly what lay behind Hillary's defeat in 2016 (that and the rampant misogyny of course). Robert Kennedy is a scion of that famous family who's worth looking into if you fancy laughing at politicians (which I always do). He tried to screw his ex over in divorce proceedings by claiming there was a parasite in his brain, boasts about killing baby bears, sexually assaulted a nanny and is an anti-vaxxer to boot. The Kennedy genes have clearly really gone downhill. Also he looks like he's been trapped for two days under a sunbed :ROFLMAO:
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Isn't it quite difficult to become an MP? I'm guessing you have to be quite well known in your area, spend time and money on campaigning etc. Also then the lack of job security as each election you risk losing your seat. It seems quite intense, I doubt many people who live paycheck to paycheck can do it.

It seems more of a fault with our political systems than Labour per se though. I'm not sure if the Tories have fewer related MPs, but they probably have more people who can afford to run or spend a chunk of their life campaigning and not getting elected until they get their break, so it's less noticeable.
 
It's pretty obvious that David Kelly was bumped off.

Campaigning to be a MP certainly isn't cheap, although Labour do have a bursary scheme.

I knew a Labour councillor who lived in London but tried to run for MP in a part of Hull, despite not really knowing the area and also that she wouldn't be living there. Thankfully, it didn't work out.
 
moldwarp said:
The other thing that does strike me about this Government is what a family affair it is?

You've got Ellie Reeves who is Chair of the Party who is sister of Rachel Reeves, the new MP for Queens Park and Maida Vale, Georgia Gould is the daughter of Blair's bezzie Philip Gould (they been trying to get her in for years I think so good on 'em for finally placing her I suppose?), James Nash MP for Rushcliffe who's Alistair Campbell’s nephew (really hate AC, gives me the creeps, would love to know the full story of what he said/did to David Kelly) and MP Liam Conlon who is Sue Gray's son.

It's like woah fellas, wouldn't you just back off and let someone else have a go??

I heavily dislike political 'families' in democracies, reeks of cronyism, the Johnson's used to wind me right up with Stanley Johnson popping up every now and then to defend his son's policies, like in what universe is that acceptable?? Also Boris's brother was an MP at one point I think although iirc he did finally show some cojones by resigning (?) over Brexit. I don't know much about Rachel Johnson except that she strongly resembles David St Hubbins from This Is Spinal Tap 😂

I know political dynasties used to be more acceptable in the States but I'm convinced that a generalised turning away from that is partly what lay behind Hillary's defeat in 2016 (that and the rampant misogyny of course). Robert Kennedy is a scion of that famous family who's worth looking into if you fancy laughing at politicians (which I always do). He tried to screw his ex over in divorce proceedings by claiming there was a parasite in his brain, boasts about killing baby bears, sexually assaulted a nanny and is an anti-vaxxer to boot. The Kennedy genes have clearly really gone downhill. Also he looks like he's been trapped for two days under a sunbed :ROFLMAO:
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Also have Hamish Falconer who is Charlie Falconers son.

I think the KS suggestion is a child outside marraige which is why Wooton keeps mentioning we’ve seen the birth certificate,.
 
PeteM said:
It's pretty obvious that David Kelly was bumped off.

Campaigning to be a MP certainly isn't cheap, although Labour do have a bursary scheme.

I knew a Labour councillor who lived in London but tried to run for MP in a part of Hull, despite not really knowing the area and also that she wouldn't be living there. Thankfully, it didn't work out.
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Im not sure he was bumped off exactly but he was certainly put under intolerable pressure by Campbell and the BBC. I’m sure the real truth will come out eventually.
 
moldwarp said:
Im not sure he was bumped off exactly but he was certainly put under intolerable pressure by Campbell and the BBC. I’m sure the real truth will come out eventually.
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When you had esteemed pathologists writing to the Torygraph saying it was impossible for someone to bleed out from their ulnar artery, then I think we can safely say his death was not by his own hand.
 
Ni Idea said:
When you had esteemed pathologists writing to the Torygraph saying it was impossible for someone to bleed out from their ulnar artery, then I think we can safely say his death was not by his own hand.
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Oh don’t get me wrong I absolutely believe that the powers that be have bumped people off in the past. I just don’t think they would do it outside because there are simply too many variables they can’t control for. Kelly was found in a field along a hedge by a public footpath iirc - just too many variables eg farmers, pedestrians etc.

This is also why I don’t believe Diana was an assassination: again way too many variables in that scenario: other traffic, the crash might not be severe enough, she might live to tell the tale etc etc.

Where TPTB do bump off inconvenient people, I would think they would choose an enclosed environment where they have full control over all variables eg Epstein in the prison cell or that spy that “locked himself” in a duffel bag.
 
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