Sir Keir Starmer #2

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Immigration is a huge money spinner look at the massive profits being made by businesses that would’ve otherwise went under if the government weren’t paying them to house migrants.
And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Increasing the supply of workers allows wage increases to be suppressed and rents to be increased with the demand. It's a huge benefit for those at the top.
 
And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Increasing the supply of workers allows wage increases to be suppressed and rents to be increased with the demand. It's a huge benefit for those at the top.
But terrible long term effects throughout society, was surprised to learn the NHS have to fill their quota of foreign healthcare workers before they can hire newly qualified home grown staff, they’re put on waiting lists whilst trusts offer financial incentives and training to foreigners.
 
He must have done at some point, he's got enough kids to form their own football team 😂

I don't want to say this as much as you all don't want to have to read it....but... I would bet a lot of money all those children were conceived by him bending the woman over the nearest piece of furniture, usually his desk, and 3 pumps later he says 'errr, um, oh, I'm , well, I erm, well, I'm, i, well yes, that was rather errr splendid, I'm err, well I'm, carry on'.
 
It’s not brexit, although that may have compounded the issue. Brexit means that we have less skilled workers coming in via the legal route, and so immigration as a whole is more of a problem because the proportions are worse in terms of being illegal or unfit/unqualified to work. So what we have now is less ‘useful’ immigration and more ‘drain on the state’ immigration.

Even the most bleeding heart liberals who are favour of letting in unvetted potential murders and putting them up free of charge in hotels…must have a cut-off point where they don’t necessarily object to immigration in principle, but realise that this country can’t sustain this rate without a complete collapse of public services and the economy.

I’ve worked in a secondary school recently, and it’s obvious the country has massive problems just from being in that environment. The standard of education is dropping, due to very poor behaviour standards. The children are in charge, we’ve just done mock exams for y11, a lot of these children are refusing to sit in the exam rooms, needing extra staff to deal with them being disruptive, negotiating being in there less time etc, being very rude, they even have parents that side with them rather than tell them to do as they are told. SEN is used as an excuse for bad behaviour constantly, the children have to be ‘understood’ and not punished, the ‘deprived home life’ has to be considered…there are no expectation standards on the parents at all, the parents even call the school expecting the school to sort out rows between siblings that are happening at home or their child putting on weight because they are sitting in front of a games console all the time at home. There are many children who, after having entered state funded education (nursery) at the age of 3, by the age of 16, with the government funding that education for 13 years…then sit in their GCSE exams and decide not even to open the question papers and intentionally fail. Insanely, there’s nothing that can be done to push children to actually care. We need something like the American system where kids can’t play sports unless they do their homework and complete exam papers (no matter the actual grade, just that they are trying), or there is some other benefits that are taken away, like making them hand in their phones so they don’t have them to play with at lunchtimes if they aren’t working in lessons etc, or putting a 10% cut on the parent’s child tax credit to make the parent care about their child’s behaviour. If this sounds cruel, believe me it isn’t…these same children who apparently can’t read/write/behave due to SEN etc…as soon as they step outside the classroom they are typing on their phones, they are arranging to play FIFA online at a certain time, they are discussing their money and how much they can spend on their new phones…therefore these children do have basic literacy, organisational skills, ability to learn etc

The staff at this school spend more hours, and therefore more cost, in dealing with behaviour and the home-life of the kids, trying to gently persuade them to do 10mins of work per 7 hour school day…than they do in constructively teaching. This is in a city school, but not a major city, it has a low number of immigrants. If this school had a higher number of kids who arrive unable to speak English (as is happening in larger cities)…I think that the education of the majority of the children, aside from the top 10-20% who genuinely arrive at school wanting to work and push their way through all the distractions and ignore all the bad behaviour…must be tanking horrendously.

The reason I’m flagging this is because in addition to bringing in undocumented migrants who can’t work legally, or even if they do get granted to remain….either don’t speak good English or any qualifications they have can’t be verified…so they remain a drain on the state even if they are working as they can’t get off minimum wage…there is also a large chunk of children leaving the school system who are essentially unemployable.

When you are constantly increasing the proportion of society who are either unemployable or can only reach minimum wage…that is a recipe for tanking the economy and raised taxes for everyone else (which is already happening, which Labour is trying to disguise).

The answer, unfortunately, to the migrant/asylum situation, is to do something drastic and unpalatable. People are crossing several safe countries in Europe before making a dangerous channel crossing, knowing they may die in the process. That means there is something they are getting in the UK that the rest of Europe isn’t providing. I don’t know what the benefits systems are like in other countries…but I’m guessing ours are better. I’ve seen photos of tent camps where migrants stay in France…yet when they arrive in the UK they are put in hotels…there is your problem…the only way to stop them risking their lives with that dangerous crossing is to ensure that what they get for doing is no better than what they are getting in the place they have left. Anyone over 18 coming here should be in an encampment until they receive remain status or are deported, safe but not comfortable conditions, no access to cigarettes or alcohol, no cash provided, just meals and a safe place to sleep, compulsory English lessons, access to the same level of healthcare we get and no queue jumping. Fingerprinting and DNA taken on arrival and stored indefinitely and checked against interpol before they are granted asylum, access to sports for health purposes but no access to costly entertainment such as cinema or games consoles. Work duties assigned within the camp so they have to change their own bedsheets and cook their own meals etc and maintain the grounds of the premises, to avoid having to pay for even more staff to just to provide for them the things that the rest of us have to do for ourselves.

This system of immediately putting people arriving without documentation into hotels with meals and housekeeping provided, giving them weekly pocket money and giving them priority access to healthcare isn’t sustainable…all it does is encourage more and more people to cross the channel.

I feel like we are on a cusp of change nationally, like a severe ‘winter of discontent’ is coming within the next couple of years. Whatever Kier Starmer claims about not raising taxes on working people isn’t going to hold it off. He’s instead put in place tax changes that raise costs for businesses, there will be job losses and cost of living increases as a result…wiping out his mantra that he’s making these people ‘better off’, the lowest paid people are still getting worse off, and there still isn’t enough financial incentive, especially for parents entitled to significant benefits, to work full time. The continued high numbers of immigrants means that alongside the alongside this problem, the strain on public services will worsen, meaning discontent that people don’t see value in return for their taxation.

It’s not racist or xenophobic to say that we would like to reduce immigration to protect our own ability to access to the education, housing and healthcare…that we are paying for ourselves, rather than suffer without those things being properly provided in favour of giving them away for free to people who have entered the country through an illegal route.

All this isn’t likely to impact on me a great deal apart from if I need to use the NHS, but it will impact the younger generation, especially anyone on a low wage who doesn’t already own a property…is essentially screwed, as they can’t pull themselves out of that situation through simply working more hours or minor promotions.
I wish you were in charge of our once great country. All of the above makes great sense.
 
I think countries are allowing a lot of migration (like Canada, Australia, UK, Germany) because there is a demographic time bomb waiting to go off. With the birth rate the whole system collapses when there's not enough at the bottom to support those at the top.

France has gone from 3 working people to support 1 pensioner a few decades ago, to 1.3 working person to support 1 pensioner and it's only going to get a lot worse in the years to come. Also in the UK half a million people since covid have been signed off as too sick to work. The number of economically inactive people is growing so much each year.

Immigration is seen as a quick fix to keep the plates spinning. When there's actually no good way to resolve all the issues that have been building up for decades.

There's a huge incumbent swing happening everywhere, with oppositions promising they can fix the unfixable.
The number of economically inactive people is growing so much each year.

Unfortunately a huge number of the illegal immigrants are economically inactive, too - except in the black economy. They cost the country to house and feed and are a drain, too on the NHS as well as our housing stock and schools. We do. ot have the infrastructure to support them.

Their cultures are so often at loggerheads with our own, and they have no intention of "fitting in". On the contrary - they want to impose their own values on our country - there are areas of London, as I understand it, where people are demanding that they have Sharia law. Britain is changing rapidly and IMO, horribly, from a very tolerant and welcoming country into one where everyone seems to be angry and resentful of different faiths, colour and sexuality. It's awful - but it's because people are frightened, and because they feel hopeless.

The NHS is on its knees. Young people are priced out of homes. Older people see their pensions going nowhere. So many o us are worried not only about ourselves but our children and parents.
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But terrible long term effects throughout society, was surprised to learn the NHS have to fill their quota of foreign healthcare workers before they can hire newly qualified home grown staff, they’re put on waiting lists whilst trusts offer financial incentives and training to foreigners.
I didn't know this, but it's shocking. Our nationals should be given priority always. One of the "arguments" used for immigration is that we need these people to bring in the skills that out own nationals lack - well, we'll never have these skills in our indigenous population if we offer training to everyone else, but not our own.

And if Thatcher hadn't destroyed all of our industries in her determination to break the unions, we would still have on-th-job apprenticeships and training. We wouldn't need to "import" anyone. Countries such as Australia have strict immigration quotas, and only allow individuals whose skills are needed - not just any random masses. Why aren't we doing the same?
 
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Liz Kendall of the DWP earning off her own bat north of £150k and her husband earning north of 600k and living in a £4m Nottingham Hill property are claiming fuel expenses of £4K a year on their constituency second home in Leicestershire. Yet she was fully behind, and possibly even the architect of the decision to cut winder fuel allowances.
What a vile, disgusting piece of tit hypocrite.
 
The number of economically inactive people is growing so much each year.

Unfortunately a huge number of the illegal immigrants are economically inactive, too - except in the black economy. They cost the country to house and feed and are a drain, too on the NHS as well as our housing stock and schools. We do. ot have the infrastructure to support them.

Their cultures are so often at loggerheads with our own, and they have no intention of "fitting in". On the contrary - they want to impose their own values on our country - there are areas of London, as I understand it, where people are demanding that they have Sharia law. Britain is changing rapidly and IMO, horribly, from a very tolerant and welcoming country into one where everyone seems to be angry and resentful of different faiths, colour and sexuality. It's awful - but it's because people are frightened, and because they feel hopeless.

The NHS is on its knees. Young people are priced out of homes. Older people see their pensions going nowhere. So many o us are worried not only about ourselves but our children and parents.
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I didn't know this, but it's shocking. Our nationals should be given priority always. One of the "arguments" used for immigration is that we need these people to bring in the skills that out own nationals lack - well, we'll never have these skills in our indigenous population if we offer training to everyone else, but not our own.

And if Thatcher hadn't destroyed all of our industries in her determination to break the unions, we would still have on-th-job apprenticeships and training. We wouldn't need to "import" anyone. Countries such as Australia have strict immigration quotas, and only allow individuals whose skills are needed - not just any random masses. Why aren't we doing the same?
Yeah that’s what they want us to believe it couldn’t be further from the truth ,this multibillion pound industry is throughout society even the elderly are being placed in pop up foreign run care homes looked after by very low paid (in some cases )unqualified agency staff. They’ve deliberately cut the health service to the bone …In Ireland the best healthcare professionals are moving to the likes of Australia because they can’t get employment at home the Irish government ( like UK) will be bringing in Kenyan nurses/midwives to train ,over 50% of hospital staff in Ireland are migrants…Unbelievable when you really look at what’s going on .Putting a recruitment block on homegrown talent has left us in a very vulnerable position.
 
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He's blaming Brexit, but the same has happened in so many other western countries at the same time 🤔



I wonder why he allowed someone to make him up with thick yellowy make up. He looked a bit like Homer Simpson. I thought it might be my telly at first until I saw that his hands were a healthy pink colour.
 
Their cultures are so often at loggerheads with our own, and they have no intention of "fitting in". On the contrary - they want to impose their own values on our country - there are areas of London, as I understand it, where people are demanding that they have Sharia law. Britain is changing rapidly and IMO, horribly, from a very tolerant and welcoming country into one where everyone seems to be angry and resentful of different faiths, colour and sexuality. It's awful - but it's because people are frightened, and because they feel hopeless.
Birmingham is 1/3rd muslim (last census put it at 29.9% up 8% since 2011) and is growing quickly. At this rate it will be a majority Muslim city and they'll start to demand Sharia law. This tolerance is being taken advantage of. They don't want to integrate to our way of life, they want to impose their way of life where women are subjugated here.
Women were thriving in many middle east countries. Could wear fashion and be educated. That is all gone for many with the Islamification.

Damascus in the 70s
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Then vs now
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It’s not brexit, although that may have compounded the issue. Brexit means that we have less skilled workers coming in via the legal route, and so immigration as a whole is more of a problem because the proportions are worse in terms of being illegal or unfit/unqualified to work. So what we have now is less ‘useful’ immigration and more ‘drain on the state’ immigration.

Even the most bleeding heart liberals who are favour of letting in unvetted potential murders and putting them up free of charge in hotels…must have a cut-off point where they don’t necessarily object to immigration in principle, but realise that this country can’t sustain this rate without a complete collapse of public services and the economy.

I’ve worked in a secondary school recently, and it’s obvious the country has massive problems just from being in that environment. The standard of education is dropping, due to very poor behaviour standards. The children are in charge, we’ve just done mock exams for y11, a lot of these children are refusing to sit in the exam rooms, needing extra staff to deal with them being disruptive, negotiating being in there less time etc, being very rude, they even have parents that side with them rather than tell them to do as they are told. SEN is used as an excuse for bad behaviour constantly, the children have to be ‘understood’ and not punished, the ‘deprived home life’ has to be considered…there are no expectation standards on the parents at all, the parents even call the school expecting the school to sort out rows between siblings that are happening at home or their child putting on weight because they are sitting in front of a games console all the time at home. There are many children who, after having entered state funded education (nursery) at the age of 3, by the age of 16, with the government funding that education for 13 years…then sit in their GCSE exams and decide not even to open the question papers and intentionally fail. Insanely, there’s nothing that can be done to push children to actually care. We need something like the American system where kids can’t play sports unless they do their homework and complete exam papers (no matter the actual grade, just that they are trying), or there is some other benefits that are taken away, like making them hand in their phones so they don’t have them to play with at lunchtimes if they aren’t working in lessons etc, or putting a 10% cut on the parent’s child tax credit to make the parent care about their child’s behaviour. If this sounds cruel, believe me it isn’t…these same children who apparently can’t read/write/behave due to SEN etc…as soon as they step outside the classroom they are typing on their phones, they are arranging to play FIFA online at a certain time, they are discussing their money and how much they can spend on their new phones…therefore these children do have basic literacy, organisational skills, ability to learn etc

The staff at this school spend more hours, and therefore more cost, in dealing with behaviour and the home-life of the kids, trying to gently persuade them to do 10mins of work per 7 hour school day…than they do in constructively teaching. This is in a city school, but not a major city, it has a low number of immigrants. If this school had a higher number of kids who arrive unable to speak English (as is happening in larger cities)…I think that the education of the majority of the children, aside from the top 10-20% who genuinely arrive at school wanting to work and push their way through all the distractions and ignore all the bad behaviour…must be tanking horrendously.

The reason I’m flagging this is because in addition to bringing in undocumented migrants who can’t work legally, or even if they do get granted to remain….either don’t speak good English or any qualifications they have can’t be verified…so they remain a drain on the state even if they are working as they can’t get off minimum wage…there is also a large chunk of children leaving the school system who are essentially unemployable.

When you are constantly increasing the proportion of society who are either unemployable or can only reach minimum wage…that is a recipe for tanking the economy and raised taxes for everyone else (which is already happening, which Labour is trying to disguise).

The answer, unfortunately, to the migrant/asylum situation, is to do something drastic and unpalatable. People are crossing several safe countries in Europe before making a dangerous channel crossing, knowing they may die in the process. That means there is something they are getting in the UK that the rest of Europe isn’t providing. I don’t know what the benefits systems are like in other countries…but I’m guessing ours are better. I’ve seen photos of tent camps where migrants stay in France…yet when they arrive in the UK they are put in hotels…there is your problem…the only way to stop them risking their lives with that dangerous crossing is to ensure that what they get for doing is no better than what they are getting in the place they have left. Anyone over 18 coming here should be in an encampment until they receive remain status or are deported, safe but not comfortable conditions, no access to cigarettes or alcohol, no cash provided, just meals and a safe place to sleep, compulsory English lessons, access to the same level of healthcare we get and no queue jumping. Fingerprinting and DNA taken on arrival and stored indefinitely and checked against interpol before they are granted asylum, access to sports for health purposes but no access to costly entertainment such as cinema or games consoles. Work duties assigned within the camp so they have to change their own bedsheets and cook their own meals etc and maintain the grounds of the premises, to avoid having to pay for even more staff to just to provide for them the things that the rest of us have to do for ourselves.

This system of immediately putting people arriving without documentation into hotels with meals and housekeeping provided, giving them weekly pocket money and giving them priority access to healthcare isn’t sustainable…all it does is encourage more and more people to cross the channel.

I feel like we are on a cusp of change nationally, like a severe ‘winter of discontent’ is coming within the next couple of years. Whatever Kier Starmer claims about not raising taxes on working people isn’t going to hold it off. He’s instead put in place tax changes that raise costs for businesses, there will be job losses and cost of living increases as a result…wiping out his mantra that he’s making these people ‘better off’, the lowest paid people are still getting worse off, and there still isn’t enough financial incentive, especially for parents entitled to significant benefits, to work full time. The continued high numbers of immigrants means that alongside the alongside this problem, the strain on public services will worsen, meaning discontent that people don’t see value in return for their taxation.

It’s not racist or xenophobic to say that we would like to reduce immigration to protect our own ability to access to the education, housing and healthcare…that we are paying for ourselves, rather than suffer without those things being properly provided in favour of giving them away for free to people who have entered the country through an illegal route.

All this isn’t likely to impact on me a great deal apart from if I need to use the NHS, but it will impact the younger generation, especially anyone on a low wage who doesn’t already own a property…is essentially screwed, as they can’t pull themselves out of that situation through simply working more hours or minor promotions.
Well said. If we don't stop mass immigration this country is going to implode. It doesn't matter where they are from or their background, we simply don't have the infrastructure to support all these extra people. I work in local government and the borough is virtually bankrupt due to adult social care costs and housing costs stuffing people into hotels with no flats available for them to move on to.

There's no housing stock left and many refuse to move up north because they seem to think they're entitled to live in London. That's why no younger people can afford to leave home in London and rent a flat. All these young people working in retail and hospitality will never be able to afford the rents.

All the housing in the Borough i work in has already been dished out to families with kids from abroad. Even if you've got a decent job renting is extremely expensive and will take a large proportion of your salary.

This is the case all over London now and there's a serious chance that many London borough councils will have to declare bankruptcy next year. We've already been told that redundancies are coming as a last resort.
 
The problem is that immigrants are filling millions of jobs that U.K. born people will not do. I was in hospital for an emergency operation earlier this year. I’d say that 85% of the nursing, care and cleaning staff were immigrants primarily West African and South Asian. From a medical perspective I was cared for well. The staff were competent and knew what to do, but many were unable to communicate with me due to limited english language skills.
My housebound mum has a visit from a carer once a day to check on her and do any little tasks she needs. It’s more a welfare visit than a “care” visit. The carers are from exactly the same demographic, primarily West African men. Same problem with language skills in about half the people who visit her. She funds this service privately.

So, in the absence of british people wanting to do these jobs any more what is the government going to do? Nursing and Care are on the list of jobs people WILL be granted a work visa for because we’re desperate for people to do it and without them the NHS and care industry would grind to a halt. And I don’t think it’s just a case of paying these jobs more, I think there’s a more fundamental issue with the type of jobs Brits are prepared to do. Why don’t youngsters want to be nurses any more? Something has changed.

Illegal immigration is a different matter. We’re an island and it’s beyond ridiculous that we can’t/won’t protect our borders. I don’t expect Labour to be the answer to that though.
 
I'm not sure that British people won't do these jobs @Theodore - it may be that they don't get the opportunity. A poster upthread mentioned that NHS/Councils etc have to offer immigrants priority for employment, over British applicants, and indeed, often have quotas to fill before they are allowed to employ British staff.

Many youngeters do want to be nurses - but don't want to be pushed into a nursing degree, which is what is often required now. Not everyone wants to climb a career ladder - some just want to look after people and are content not to have the responsibility of running a ward/ department etc. Also, grants for training aren't as available as they once were.
 
I think the degree element has put a lot of people off nursing in recent years. My ex's mum was a nurse for many years (no degree, just on the job training) and said as much herself.

Also it's all very well employing immigrants to do certain jobs but if their English is poor it causes real communication issues - which are at best an inconvenience, at worst in a medical scenario it can be life threatening. Which the people doing the hiring don't care about, because they're not working with them and trying to communicate with them day to day. And of course if you complain you can't understand them, you're marked as a racist 🙄
 
Waiting eagerly for the Starmer fan club to tell us how he solves this problem. Waiting…. Waiting…
And can the fan club tell us without telling us about the tit show of the past 14 years please. Guess what. We already know! What is Sir Liar actually going to do differently going forward?
 
I can't understand why all our political parties are so out of touch with the general population and none of them are fit for purpose. This applies across the board. Although I'm pissed off with Labour at the moment the Tories were in power for 14 years and equally made a complete hash of everything. I reserve my contempt for pretty much all of them.
Too many are ideology driven and nobody seems to care about ordinary working people.
 
I can't understand why all our political parties are so out of touch with the general population and none of them are fit for purpose. This applies across the board. Although I'm pissed off with Labour at the moment the Tories were in power for 14 years and equally made a complete hash of everything. I reserve my contempt for pretty much all of them.
Too many are ideology driven and nobody seems to care about ordinary working people.
BIB - I fear you are to generous in your assumption Scotchy, dear. I would have said, "Too many are self-interest driven". But the rest you your comment is spot on.
 
CBI is very bleak. Funny how when the same body was critical of the Tories Labour would jump on it. Now they're in power it's a different story https://uk.news.yahoo.com/blow-rach...swKK_1H77_XpUIZSrfRciksGp66I4t0GzCjHUA7zuT-kQ

But, a month after Reeves’ Budget, the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) now believes expectations for UK growth have turned negative for the first time in 2024.

That is a massive blow for Labour, who made growing the economy their number one pledge for government.

The CBI’s growth indicator shows most UK companies are anticipating a decline in activity over the next three months.

That’s a particularly bleak prediction, considering private sector activity already fell in the three months leading up to November.

It also comes after Labour repeatedly pledged to be pro-growth and pro-business.

The CBI wants the government to reform business rates, offer apprenticeship levy flexibility and boost occupational health incentives to try and get the country back on track.

But around 81% of business leaders thought Labour would not listen to their concerns.
 
Birmingham is 1/3rd muslim (last census put it at 29.9% up 8% since 2011) and is growing quickly. At this rate it will be a majority Muslim city and they'll start to demand Sharia law. This tolerance is being taken advantage of. They don't want to integrate to our way of life, they want to impose their way of life where women are subjugated here.
Women were thriving in many middle east countries. Could wear fashion and be educated. That is all gone for many with the Islamification.

Damascus in the 70s
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Then vs now
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Not only women. Gay, lesbian and Trans people will have something to fear too.

If some think blindly supporting Gaza will help them when the time comes, they are very much mistaken.

We have already seen anti LGBT teaching protests outside schools in Birmingham by people of a certain religion. How long until this is extended to other things, such as LGBT venues and Birmingham Pride.
 
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