Secret Celebrity Gossip #14

[lamaitresse]

Re Trudie Styler - from "My Sister Madonna" (by her brother, Christopher Ciccone). This quote always struck me as rather odd, especially when said to a gay man.

And I agree with the above. I re-watched Channel 4's Dispatches The Prince And The Paedophile documentary recently, and the stories about some of the young girls is heartbreaking. To tar them all with the same brush is ignorant at best and condoning the abusers at worst.

Yes, some people know how to manipulate others - but, seriously? 14, 15 year old girls? You don't have a clue at that age, even if you appear uber-confident and worldly-wise to the outside world. You just don't. You're not emotionally mature enough. These girls were chosen from neglectful, poverty-stricken, desperate backgrounds by rich, powerful men for a REASON. Some of them couldn't even speak English.

It dismays me to see other women judging these victims without thinking. But maybe some commenters don't know the full story. I hope.

 

[pixxyy]

I offer my apolgies too as I think my post could across that i'm thinking similar which I dont, As theres no age limit on being a victim.As vulnerable people much older can be coerced into sex trafficking.

 

[Miss Havisham]

Re Trudie Styler - from "My Sister Madonna" (by her brother, Christopher Ciccone. This quote always struck me as rather odd, especially when said to a gay man.
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lt all sounds very attention seeking. My bet is that she is a huge pain in the arse.
Trudie is also to blame for setting Madonna and Guy Richie up - he must rue the day.

 

[AngryBird101]

I suggest you watch the Netflix doc. Sex trafficking IS abuse.

Trafficking means taking an escort from one place to the other, it’s not abuse and I know this because I worked for an agency that got busted and they were charged with trafficking which meant that their drivers were taking us from one job to the next, that’s not abuse. Lots of people get confused with what trafficking actually is. Some trafficking is abuse when it’s against somebody’s will but not if they go willingly and they are of legal age.

I don’t doubt that he abused girls but if they were legal and consented then it’s not.

 

[LilPinkie]

Trafficking means taking an escort from one place to the other, it’s not abuse and I know this because I worked for an agency that got busted and they were charged with trafficking which meant that their drivers were taking us from one job to the next, that’s not abuse. Lots of people get confused with what trafficking actually is. Some trafficking is abuse when it’s against somebody’s will but not if they go willingly and they are of legal age.

I don’t doubt that he abused girls but if they were legal and consented then it’s not.

Watch the documentary to listen to what they went through.

 

[AngryBird101]

Re Trudie Styler - from "My Sister Madonna" (by her brother, Christopher Ciccone). This quote always struck me as rather odd, especially when said to a gay man.
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And I agree with the above. I re-watched Channel 4's Dispatches The Prince And The Paedophile documentary recently, and the stories about some of the young girls is heartbreaking. To tar them all with the same brush is ignorant at best and condoning the abusers at worst.

Yes, some people know how to manipulate others - but, seriously? 14, 15 year old girls? You don't have a clue at that age, even if you appear uber-confident and worldly-wise to the outside world. You just don't. You're not emotionally mature enough. These girls were chosen from neglectful, poverty-stricken, desperate backgrounds by rich, powerful men for a REASON. Some of them couldn't even speak English.

It dismays me to see other women judging these victims without thinking. But maybe some commenters don't know the full story. I hope.

Where did I say I meant underage girls? It’s clear from my post that I said girls of age so please don’t twist what me, or anyone else wrote.

Watch the documentary to listen to what they went through.

I have but I am saying they weren’t all abused! It’s not abuse if they willingly went AND they were legal, how many time’s must I say this?!

The definition of trafficking is when people are taken and are sexually exploited (People that run escort agencies are legally exploiting escorts, even though when you go for an interview then your told what percentage of money you will pay agency and driver, I didn’t quite see it as exploitation but the police did which is why my old bosses were charged) and legally, then in the UK it’s illegal for others to make money off of prostitution except for the sex worker herself, if I wanted to pay someone to drive me about to escort jobs then driver would be charged with making money from immoral earnings and trafficking even though it was MY choice to pay the driver for his time and petrol, the law is strange in lots of ways and so many grey areas.

I know JE abused many but I don’t believe they were all abused, and like a PP said then some women are taking advantage and altering their stories slightly to make it fit so that they get the compensation

 

[LilPinkie]

Dec tl

Where did I say I meant underage girls? It’s clear from my post that I said girls of age so please don’t twist what me, or anyone else wrote.


I have but I am saying they weren’t all abused! It’s not abuse if they willingly went AND they were legal, how many time’s must I say this?!

You said sex trafficking is not abuse. Yes, it is. It is sexual exploitation, slavery. If you’ve seen the documentary, I fail to understand what you are talking about.

Educate yourself!

Sex trafficking - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[lamaitresse]

Trafficking means taking an escort from one place to the other, it’s not abuse and I know this because I worked for an agency that got busted and they were charged with trafficking which meant that their drivers were taking us from one job to the next, that’s not abuse. Lots of people get confused with what trafficking actually is. Some trafficking is abuse when it’s against somebody’s will but not if they go willingly and they are of legal age.

I don’t doubt that he abused girls but if they were legal and consented then it’s not.

I'm gobsmacked by the ignorance shown here.

There are similarities with the Rotherham scandal, but with rich, powerful men who could act out in secret, in cliques, and use their influence to get a lighter prison sentence (for his first jail term, Epstein spent most of his daytime hours... in his own office!!).

Maybe you don't know what sex trafficking actually means, but you're beginning to sound as though you don't think any crimes were committed, the young girls were cool with being degraded and abused, as long as the money rolled in.

You can still be raped, coerced, cut off from the people you love, if you are of legal age.

I won't say any more on this, but this disgusts me.

 

[AngryBird101]

I'm gobsmacked by the ignorance shown here.

Consider the Rotherham scandal, but with rich, powerful men who could act out in secret, in cliques, and use their influence to get a lighter prison sentence (for his first jail term, Epstein spent most of his daytime hours... in his own office!!).

Maybe you don't know what sex trafficking actually means, but you're beginning to sound as though you don't think any crimes were committed, the young girls were cool with being degraded and adused, as long as the money rolled in.

I won't say any more on this, but this disgusts me.

I do know what it is because I was an escort for god sake! The people I worked for were charged yet none of us were abused!

You are ignoring what I’ve said, be disgusted all you like but I’ve emphasised what I mean over and over and yet you see what you want to see.

Some were victims but I don’t believe they all were.

Dec tl

You said sex trafficking is not abuse. Yes, it is. It is sexual exploitation, slavery. If you’ve seen the documentary, I fail to understand what you are talking about.

Educate yourself!

Sex trafficking - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sexual exploitation is seen as someone making money from hookers, that’s what agencies do but it’s not abuse if you are legal and consent!

Anyway I’m sick of saying my piece over and over and being ignored so I’m leaving this here.

 

[torontoon]

I agree with you.

Regarding J Epstein - some of the girls that said they were abused by him were 17 and so how can that be abuse when they willingly went back to his after sleeping with him and getting the money, that’s not abuse, that’s prostitution.

Is the legal age in FL 18? Were they all under 18?

Respectfully, this is a very dangerous train of thought. It's still abuse and it's still happening. What you say is oversimplifying massively.

 

[lamaitresse]

It has zero similarity with being an escort, so why this is being brought up as a comparison, or a defence, baffles me.

To say "oh, but some just want compensation" diminishes the pain and trauma of victims and is pretty tone deaf and judgemental, to boot. Let the courts decide on that aspect.

Grooming is about power and manipulation.. Often the victims see a "nice" side of their abuser/s too.

You heard, in situations like Rotherham, that some of the girls thought they were friends/boyfriend and girlfriend. Then the nasty side reappears. It effs with their heads. So "consent" is a bit tenuous.

Not to mention you can be young, inexperienced and/or in denial about what a healthy adult sexual and emotional relationship is like, and you only realise when you're older and more mature how much damage its done. Some have a breakdown when that realisation happens.

 

[LilPinkie]

I do know what it is because I was an escort for god sake! The people I worked for were charged yet none of us were abused!

You are ignoring what I’ve said, be disgusted all you like but I’ve emphasised what I mean over and over and yet you see what you want to see.

Some were victims but I don’t believe they all were.


Sexual exploitation is seen as someone making money from hookers, that’s what agencies do but it’s not abuse if you are legal and consent!

Anyway I’m sick of saying my piece over and over and being ignored so I’m leaving this here.

My God, you are so woefully ignorant. Because you worked as an escort does not mean you know exactly what goes on with these girls and you have really shown that.

 

[Flowergirl14]

Please can we all move on, this is supposed to be a gossip site! Keep it light hearted!

 

[Idontliketogossipbut]

I thought I was just being an old fart (in my 40s) and not know who they were .Wouldn't know an influencer or YouTuber if bumped into them on the street.

Exactly!
It’s not a real job
duck em

 

[bubbletea123]

It’s hard to believe that someone like him is running a country! I think Melania hates him now and she will divorce him when he is out of presidency. She wasn’t happy that he went for it apparently and rumours are that she was about to put in for a divorce but then changed her mind due to the presidency.

I like his ex wife and I like Marla Maples, quite like Melania too.

I also heard Trump got Epstein killed because of what JE knew about him!

Melanie was apparently having an affair with Trump Tower head of security and even lived with him and was going to divorce Donnie. Then he became president.

 

[Isaypotatle]

Anything gossip on Lady Gaga and Beyonce? I heard a rumour that they fell out as Telephone was huge but videophone was dogshit.

Apologies as playing catch up but when Gaga had to cancel tour for her pain Couple years back, B sent her a gift including ivy park clothing which Gaga then plugged on her insta

 

[Melodybear]

I think it's easier for people to have little to nothing published (facts, tidbits, photos) about their earlier life, who were young before the internet boomed.
Much harder for those who were young when the internet was in full swing, esp social media.

If no one offers Caprice's baby etc pics, they can't be found. And Caprice isn't famous or interesting enough for people to "come forward" from the US. Possible that old classmates etc aren't even aware of C's UK "fame".

Or old classmates don’t recognise her because everything about her is different to when they knew her, name, sex etc. If I was at school with a boy called John Smith, and a woman called “Mercedes Riviera” became famous years later, in another country, with a different face and gender I don’t think the connection would be made.

 

[Melmoo]

I agree with you.

Regarding J Epstein - some of the girls that said they were abused by him were 17 and so how can that be abuse when they willingly went back to his after sleeping with him and getting the money, that’s not abuse, that’s prostitution.

Is the legal age in FL 18? Were they all under 18?

Quite a few of the charges against him was related to using minors in the solicitation of prostitution. So basically he was using these girls to gain access to younger girls as well (sisters, friends etc) his youngest victims where 12.

The legal age of consent in Florida used to be 18 I dont know if it still is ? My husband and I had a similair conversation though after watching the documentary, some women giving interviews detailed they where 22 / 24 etc when they met him and told to go to hotel rooms etc. While he was a monster those particular women where above the age of consent, they where adults and knew what they where getting into so yes it detracts slightly from the real victims here.

 

[PenelopePitstop]

yup I think in that case some def saw the $$ and changed the facts a little, which downplays the real victims

Legal age of consent by state in the USA is different to UK. However; that said as a parent I would never let anyone take my child out of the country...... UK & France in the documentary.......

 

[Melmoo]

I offer my apolgies too as I think my post could across that i'm thinking similar which I dont, As theres no age limit on being a victim.As vulnerable people much older can be coerced into sex trafficking.

Sorry I just caught up on a few posts.. I completely agree you CAN be a victim at at any age definitely. But I just saw a few people jumping on angry bird but for some of the girls in the documentary unfortunately his actions with them was not illegal.

The law HAS to draw the line somewhere or we would never get anywhere in terms of legal prosecutions etc.