Real Life Crime and Murder #17

[NeverEnough]

In a previous life, I bought an indulgent quantity of cannabis over many years, and I have never heard of dealers giving away freebies or friends persuading you to try harder drugs.

I can see that cannabis use can bring you into contact with people who use other drugs but the idea that dealers give you freebies and friends pressure you to try others drugs is not something I have ever came across

Y’know it’s always users, or ex-users who defend the drug in my experience. If I didn’t know better I would think it’s almost like addict behaviour, like the “fat acceptance” influencer insisting being morbidly obese is healthy, right up to the point they drop down dead at 37.

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But anyway that is a tangent. All I know is that I spent many years working in a revolving door arrest/custody system of users who would think nothing of mugging old ladies, or just walking in a local community store and taking stuff to feed their insatiable habit. Hardly mellow all you need is love behaviour.

And even before that every single cannabis user I ever met were amongst the most boring people I ever had the misfortune to know. The only thing that gave them life was cannabis, it was the only thing they talked about with any animation, the only time they showed any enthusiasm. They were friends with all sorts of lowlifes, people like Thomas Cashman, the absolute dregs of society. They tried to pretend this was because they were full of love and non judgement, but bullshit, it was because these scumbags had easy access to cannabis. Some occasionally “did favours” (ie provided alibies) for their ever so nice local dealer, (you hang with criminals you get drawn into that world). Some of the women even slept with said dealer if they were a bit short, pretending they find this guy, who they would be avoid like the plague in any other aspect of life, devastatingly attractive. Can someone explain why that wasn’t a form of prostitution.

And for drug which is supposed to promote love, try short measuring or reducing the quality of the product, then you just how “mellow” these addicts really are.

 

[Nelly's mum]

I hear you @Ravenstown !!

 

[JBinstafun]

Teresa Hanson jailed for life after stabbing husband to death - BBC News

Teresa Hanson is sentenced to nine years in jail for murdering her husband as she prepared dinner.

www.bbc.co.uk

Can only find this but it was September last year

That’s the one

Teresa Hanson jailed for life after stabbing husband to death - BBC News

Teresa Hanson is sentenced to nine years in jail for murdering her husband as she prepared dinner.

www.bbc.co.uk

Can only find this but it was September last year

That’s the one. There must be more that wasn’t reported - nine years for murder…

 

[Ravenstown]

I hear you @Ravenstown !!

Sorry I deleted it!

 

[BarryEvansHun]

Whilst I agree he is beyond rehabilitation, cannabis is not the “gateway” drug it’s purported to be.

I’m on a medical prescription, have been for a few years, and my want to get another drug is absolutely zero. It’s the best medication for my needs, I get it prescribed (privately, although the nhs would also prescribe.) I am happy that my medication I’m on is less likely to result in secondary issues than antidepressants alone. And it’s my manufactured pills that actually cause me problems.

The medical prescription you have is completely different to the cannabis on the streets. Incomparable. Street cannabis on the streets today is insanely strong and users are not managed medically in clinic. Cannabis is often thought of as harmless, however if you are prone to addiction, mental health issues, sleep issues, relationship problems and suffer agitation and stress it can exacerbate these 10 fold. I’m happy that you have found something that works for YOU. However, let’s not take away the fact this drug and all it comes with when purchased on the street can make users vulnerable to problems and further their drug use.

 

[repairshoplover]

Two charged over Edinburgh New Year's shooting of Marc Webley

Police Scotland have said that a 32-year-old man and a 25-year-old woman have now been arrested and charged in connection with the death of Mark Webley in Edinburgh.

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

The two arrested yesterday have been charged. They’re in court on Monday.

 

[Eureka]

FWIW the clients I work with are 100% worse on cannabis than those I worked with 5-6 years ago.

Cannabis is not a harmless drug and nothing anyone says will convince me otherwise.

 

[LouBug19]

FWIW the clients I work with are 100% worse on cannabis than those I worked with 5-6 years ago.

Cannabis is not a harmless drug and nothing anyone says will convince me otherwise.

Probably shouldn't admit to this online but I don't care, I smoke cannabis regularly. I've bought of many different dealers over my time and not one has ever offered me other drugs. I've been offered edibles and more expensive stuff but that's it. I know they deal other things but they don't try sell me it, I would need to ask them. I could sit in a room full of people sniffing lines or doing whatever and I'm happy smoking my joint. I don't drink alcohol at all and I find that I have a high tolerance for weed and there are no side effects but when I did drink I wouldn't cope with it at all and the hangovers are tit. I have MH issues, have done way before I started smoking but I feel so much calmer after a joint and it helps me sleep so much. I don't think cannabis users are "boring" or "have nothing to talk about" we actually have deep conversations sometimes! I don't agree with the papers saying that cannabis users commit crimes etc because they have "overused". You can't overdose on cannabis it's one of the safest drugs even after than alcohol. Legalise it and you are cutting down on all the dealers.

Also whoever said about Thomas cashman dealing weed, he wasn't dealing to any Tom, dick or Harry he was doing massive deals. The very low level dealers have little to no involvement in that stuff.

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

TBF if you’re working in the justice system or with offenders then of course you’re going to see the absolute pricks who smoke and deal cannabis, the same way you’ll see the absolute pricks who abuse alcohol.

You won’t see anyone who has the odd bit of either just to relax or have a good time.

 

[Ravenstown]

You won’t see anyone who has the odd bit of either just to relax or have a good time.

Yes. I'm a professional, have always worked, house, family, great job, middle class, pay taxes etc and the only criminal activity I do is use cannabis.

 

[mindyaneb]

I’m happy that you have found something that works for YOU. However, let’s not take away the fact this drug and all it comes with when purchased on the street can make users vulnerable to problems and further their drug use.

Of course a prescription is different from buying on the street. I would rather my 15 year old came home stoned than pissed though And while it works for *me* , I know the dangers are lower than her going out drinking.

Cannabis is as dangerous as alcohol (less actually) so control/legalisation is really the way forward. We don’t have stoners murdering people for no reason (anyone been out in Newcastle on a weekend? Represented quite a few pissed up people).


just my 2p

 

[LouBug19]

Yes. I'm a professional, have always worked, house, family, great job, middle class, pay taxes etc and the only criminal activity I do is use cannabis.

THIS. People can function on cannabis.

 

[NeverEnough]

Of course a prescription is different from buying on the street. I would rather my 15 year old came home stoned than pissed though And while it works for *me* , I know the dangers are lower than her going out drinking.

Cannabis is as dangerous as alcohol (less actually) so control/legalisation is really the way forward. We don’t have stoners murdering people for no reason (anyone been out in Newcastle on a weekend? Represented quite a few pissed up people).


just my 2p ✌

“We don’t have stoners murdering people”

Tomasz Waga: Cannabis factory pair linked to murder jailed

One of Wales' biggest cannabis operations was found after murder of man trying to steal drugs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tunbridge Wells: Six more jailed over 2021 cannabis farm murder

Thirteen men have now been jailed over the incident in which Xhovan Pepaj was stabbed to death.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cannabis abuser Joshua Jacques found guilty of the murders of his girlfriend and three family members in London | TalkTV

A volatile cannabis abuser who claimed he stabbed his girlfriend and three of her family members to death as a “sacrifice” has been found guilty of their m

talk.tv

A father and son shot, dismembered and burned. This is the dark side of California cannabis

The murdered pair were among 44 cannabis farm-related deaths identified by a Times investigation. All but five of the deceased were immigrants.

www.latimes.com

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.the...klahoma-marijuana-farm-murders-florida-arrest

Cannabis farm crossbow killer will serve at least 33 years for double murder

Saghawat Ramzan mistakenly killed his brother and then a drugs factory raider after reloading a ‘horrific’ crossbow.

www.shropshirestar.com

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THIS. People can function on cannabis.

SOME people can function with extreme alcoholism and opioid addiction. It doesn’t make them any less an addict though.

Death, taxes and addicts blindly defending their drug of choice. Somethings are as predictable as the setting of the sun…..

 

[mindyaneb]

• In 2021, there were 9,641 deaths (14.8 per 100,000 people) from alcohol-specific causes registered in the UK, the highest number on record.
  oh and the alcohol induced murders is so high there’s not specific records
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  • Victims perceived the offender(s) to be under the influence of alcohol in 53% of violent incidents measured by the 2013/14 CSEW. This is equivalent to an estimated 704,000 ‘alcohol-related’ violent incidents. While the volume of incidents has fallen, the proportion of violent incidents that were ‘alcohol-related’ has remained relatively steady over the last ten years
  • Alcohol was a particularly prevalent factor in violent incidents between strangers, 64% of which were perceived to be alcohol-related (CSEW 2013/14)
  • In the combined datasets of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 CSEW, 70% of violent incidents occurring at the weekend, and 70% of violent incidents occurring in the evening or night, were alcohol-related
  • The proportions of violent incidents that were alcohol-related increased as the afternoon and evening progressed, from 23% of violent incidents occurring between noon and 6pm, to 52% were between 6pm and 10pm and 83% occurred between 10pm and midnight
  • 70% of violent incidents which took place in a public space were alcohol-related compared with 40% of incidents that occurred in the home and 43% of incidents that happened in and around the workplace
  • Where injuries were sustained these were typically more severe in incidents of alcohol-related violence compared with other violent incidents. Victims in alcohol-related violent incidents were more likely to have received cuts (15%, compared with 9% of victims in non alcohol-related incidents) or to have suffered concussion or loss of consciousness (5%, compared with 1% of victims in non alcohol-related incidents) as a result of the incident

 

[Davena94]

I view cannabis exactly how I view alcohol. If someone is smoking everyday then it’s a problem. Same as someone drinking everyday. I have no problem with either as recreational use but they both can and do lead to deeper issues

 

[LouBug19]

“We don’t have stoners murdering people”

Tomasz Waga: Cannabis factory pair linked to murder jailed

One of Wales' biggest cannabis operations was found after murder of man trying to steal drugs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tunbridge Wells: Six more jailed over 2021 cannabis farm murder

Thirteen men have now been jailed over the incident in which Xhovan Pepaj was stabbed to death.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cannabis abuser Joshua Jacques found guilty of the murders of his girlfriend and three family members in London | TalkTV

A volatile cannabis abuser who claimed he stabbed his girlfriend and three of her family members to death as a “sacrifice” has been found guilty of their m

talk.tv

A father and son shot, dismembered and burned. This is the dark side of California cannabis

The murdered pair were among 44 cannabis farm-related deaths identified by a Times investigation. All but five of the deceased were immigrants.

www.latimes.com

https://www.12ft.io/https://www.the...klahoma-marijuana-farm-murders-florida-arrest

Cannabis farm crossbow killer will serve at least 33 years for double murder

Saghawat Ramzan mistakenly killed his brother and then a drugs factory raider after reloading a ‘horrific’ crossbow.

www.shropshirestar.com

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SOME people can function with extreme alcoholism and opioid addiction. It doesn’t make them any less an addict though.

Death, taxes and addicts blindly defending their drug of choice. Somethings are as predictable as the setting of the sun…..

I'm sorry but your articles do not prove "stoners murder people" the first and second articles involve gangs and you can't steal 120,000 of drugs and not expect anything. The third one he was also drinking alcohol, and could've had psychosis from any event in his life, again the next one was gang related. If we legalised drugs then gangs would be non existent and no normal cannabis users murders people.
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I view cannabis exactly how I view alcohol. If someone is smoking everyday then it’s a problem. Same as someone drinking everyday. I have no problem with either as recreational use but they both can and do lead to deeper issues

Then call the doctor because i have a problem. I could go a week without having a joint and I would be fine.

 

[NeverEnough]

• In 2021, there were 9,641 deaths (14.8 per 100,000 people) from alcohol-specific causes registered in the UK, the highest number on record.
  oh and the alcohol induced murders is so high there’s not specific records
• • Victims perceived the offender(s) to be under the influence of alcohol in 53% of violent incidents measured by the 2013/14 CSEW. This is equivalent to an estimated 704,000 ‘alcohol-related’ violent incidents. While the volume of incidents has fallen, the proportion of violent incidents that were ‘alcohol-related’ has remained relatively steady over the last ten years
  • Alcohol was a particularly prevalent factor in violent incidents between strangers, 64% of which were perceived to be alcohol-related (CSEW 2013/14)
  • In the combined datasets of the 2012/13 and 2013/14 CSEW, 70% of violent incidents occurring at the weekend, and 70% of violent incidents occurring in the evening or night, were alcohol-related
  • The proportions of violent incidents that were alcohol-related increased as the afternoon and evening progressed, from 23% of violent incidents occurring between noon and 6pm, to 52% were between 6pm and 10pm and 83% occurred between 10pm and midnight
  • 70% of violent incidents which took place in a public space were alcohol-related compared with 40% of incidents that occurred in the home and 43% of incidents that happened in and around the workplace
  • Where injuries were sustained these were typically more severe in incidents of alcohol-related violence compared with other violent incidents. Victims in alcohol-related violent incidents were more likely to have received cuts (15%, compared with 9% of victims in non alcohol-related incidents) or to have suffered concussion or loss of consciousness (5%, compared with 1% of victims in non alcohol-related incidents) as a result of the incident

You don’t have to convince me about the dangers of alcohol abuse. If it was up to me I would criminalise alcohol as well. Of course it’s not up to me but our elected legislators, in all their wisdom or otherwise, to introduce such legislation if they see fit. And the reality is that at this moment alcohol is legal and cannabis isn’t. And that is because cannabis is a dangerous, addictive drug which ruins lives, rips apart communities, and rewards predatory criminals who spread addiction and misery to others for profit. There is absolutely no such thing as a good cannabis dealer, there is no such thing as a harmless illegal drug. And I don’t want to hear about the medicinal benefits of cannabis, marginal though they are, opioids have medicinal qualities as well. So does bleeping radiation if used correctly.

And the reaction of some posters on this thread, so desperate to defend their beloved drug, does very little to change my opinion that cannabis users care only about cannabis. You can see it clearly in so many posts above in big neon letters. And the bottom line is that is addiction 101.

If it’s so harmless then just walk down the street puffing on a joint, even light up one in your work canteen if you like, and let’s see what positive effects if has on your life experience.

 

[Davena94]

Then call the doctor because i have a problem. I could go a week without having a joint and I would be fine.

That’s your issue and if you need a dr then see one. It is not good for your mind or body and will lead to more issues down the line. It’s a fact, I’m not judging you in any way. Same as I wouldn’t judge someone who has a drink every night. I’m just aware of what it does

 

[Lalla]

I view cannabis exactly how I view alcohol. If someone is smoking everyday then it’s a problem. Same as someone drinking everyday. I have no problem with either as recreational use but they both can and do lead to deeper issues

I completely agree. My ex smokes cannabis daily. Quite a small amount, but he has maybe 6 little joints (small amounts mixed with tobacco) every day, and has done for nearly 30 years. He would 100% say it doesn't negatively affect him, that it just levels him out or helps him concentrate but honestly it does, he just can't see it.

There was a period of about a year where he had to stop (for various personal reasons) and despite it being a really tit time generally, it was that year in which he was far more present and I saw genuine emotions from him, than at any other time.

He is a habitual user but at very low levels; however I can see that it could easily have a far more significant effect on someone using it more heavily.

 

[NeverEnough]

I'm sorry but your articles do not prove "stoners murder people" the first and second articles involve gangs and you can't steal 120,000 of drugs and not expect anything. The third one he was also drinking alcohol, and could've had psychosis from any event in his life, again the next one was gang related. If we legalised drugs then gangs would be non existent and no normal cannabis users murders people.
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Then call the doctor because i have a problem. I could go a week without having a joint and I would be fine.

“Gangs would be nonexistent”.

8 years ago the American state of Colorado legalised marijuana. And that wasn’t their experience, that wasn’t their experience at all.

https://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2021-SB13-283_Rpt.pdf

Even the supposed massive increase in tax take from the legalisation was utter bullshit as well.

Cannabis taxes have not solved Colorado’s budget woes

A typical - and frequent - question to CPR News goes, “how can schools need more tax money when cannabis businesses are making so much money?”

www.cpr.org

Didn’t even pay for the extra cost of policing the over 120% increase in cannabis related fatal car accidents.