Real Life Crime and Murder #13

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Hope96 said:
www.dailypost.co.uk

Woman, 71, who mistook property for B&B died after being 'dragged outside by ankles and stamped on'

David Redfern, 46, denies murdering Margaret Barnes in Barmouth whose 'catastrophic' injuries were similar to those expected in a 'high speed road traffic collision'
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This is heartbreaking and downright disgusting! She weighed 7.5 stones and he dragged her by her ankles and stamped on her! A complete over reaction and his anger issues are not a defence!
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god the added details are even sadder - this poor woman :( it was surely obvious what had happened by the fact that her suitcase and belongings were next to the bed! what an absolute animal of a man.
 
LaBlonde said:
read this one yesterday on my local news and have thought about it ever since. i can’t imagine how frightened this poor woman must have been:

www.bbc.co.uk

Barmouth visitor killed after mistaking man's home for hotel, court told

Margaret Barnes mistook a house for a hotel was attacked and was killed by the owner, a trial hears.
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Same! I’m read about it today and it’s been on my mind ever since. Poor lady. Sounds like she had a lovely day, seeing friends at the pub, visiting the ice cream parlour, fish and chips then stopped at the shop for a night cap. Made a simple, honest error and it cost her her life. How frail and vulnerable she was in a place she thought was safe.

I can’t stop thinking of her putting her dentures on the night stand 💔 then being beaten and literally thrown out of the house; trying to pick her stuff up whist in cardiac arrest and that thing is laughing and swearing at her. There are no words 💔
 
Tessiebear said:
Same! I’m read about it today and it’s been on my mind ever since. Poor lady. Sounds like she had a lovely day, seeing friends at the pub, visiting the ice cream parlour, fish and chips then stopped at the shop for a night cap. Made a simple, honest error and it cost her her life. How frail and vulnerable she was in a place she thought was safe.

I can’t stop thinking of her putting her dentures on the night stand 💔 then being beaten and literally thrown out of the house; trying to pick her stuff up whist in cardiac arrest and that thing is laughing and swearing at her. There are no words 💔
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same: she’s been on my mind all day. i can’t stop thinking about him throwing her suitcase :( like you say, just a nice day with friends, going back to your bnb for a drink, getting into your nightclothes for bed….. she must have been terrified when this giant of a “man” burst into the room. why did she have to accidentally pick his house? it’s awful :(
 
LaBlonde said:
read this one yesterday on my local news and have thought about it ever since. i can’t imagine how frightened this poor woman must have been:

www.bbc.co.uk

Barmouth visitor killed after mistaking man's home for hotel, court told

Margaret Barnes mistook a house for a hotel was attacked and was killed by the owner, a trial hears.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Every murder I read about on this thread makes me sad but gosh this one has really got me, I can’t stop thinking about it. That poor woman. I hope that bastard bully rots
 
Hope96 said:
www.dailypost.co.uk

Woman, 71, who mistook property for B&B died after being 'dragged outside by ankles and stamped on'

David Redfern, 46, denies murdering Margaret Barnes in Barmouth whose 'catastrophic' injuries were similar to those expected in a 'high speed road traffic collision'
www.dailypost.co.uk

This is heartbreaking and downright disgusting! She weighed 7.5 stones and he dragged her by her ankles and stamped on her! A complete over reaction and his anger issues are not a defence!
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I was just about to post this. It’s horrific! He is a complete psychopath. Why not just try to help her rather than murder her?
 
I cried when reading the article about the poor woman because like others have said how can your initial reaction be to drag her by the ankles and then stomp on her? Surely, any decent person would have realised that she was vulnerable and helped her get to the right B&B?! I am against the death penalty but cases like this make me wish we could ship them off to America because they do not play around there.
 
Spider12 said:
Every murder I read about on this thread makes me sad but gosh this one has really got me, I can’t stop thinking about it. That poor woman. I hope that bastard bully rots
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Same, how is this guy not going down for murder tho? Like I can understand freaking out upon finding a stranger in your house, but surely once you’d realized it was just some drunk old lady who made a mistake, you’d stop attacking? It’s just horrific and he surely meant to kill her, not just get her out of the house
 
Agree, to me it's murder also, plenty of time to realise and not take it further.

If he was aware of an intruder he could have called police, even if he felt he could go face to face with them you don't react like that upon seeing an old lady - again walk away if needs be if there's threats etc.

You would either call police or gently help them to the correct hotel .... Surely?!

Wonder if he was on drugs and how he treated his partner?! I can guess :(
 
LaBlonde said:
exactly! surely anyone else would have been shocked but then “oh she was obviously looking for one of the identical guest houses in my street” and then help her on her way? why would anyone react the way this “man” did?
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Absolutely. You'd also think, oh maybe this elderly person is vulnerable perhaps or suffering from something, or maybe lost their bearings. But your first action certainly wouldn't be to treat them like an old dishrag and punch bag. He was also huge: 6ft1 and 21stone according to the BBC news report.

Incredibly, incredibly distressing and definitely crosses the threshold for a murder charge.

Eta: reading the other article linked above he went out of his way to humiliate her too. She wasn't even dressed properly when he dragged her down the stairs and into the street. Complete monster.
 
yessenia_d said:
Absolutely. You'd also think, oh maybe this elderly person is vulnerable perhaps or suffering from something, or maybe lost their bearings. But your first action certainly wouldn't be to treat them like an old dishrag and punch bag. He was also huge: 6ft1 and 21stone according to the BBC news report.

Incredibly, incredibly distressing and definitely crosses the threshold for a murder charge.

Eta: reading the other article linked above he went out of his way to humiliate her too. She wasn't even dressed properly when he dragged her down the stairs and into the street. Complete monster.
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Yes, I think after the initial shock and confusion, my head would jump to it being someone with dementia that had gone on a wander. Angry I certainly wouldn't be, just concerned. He must have previous, with a reaction like that, surely? 😕
 
God I hadn’t even considered the dementia thing but of course, after the shock that’s the first thing I know I’d think of.
It’s sickening. My mum is of a similar age and the thought of something like that happening TO HET is just too much.
With light hearted, kind people it would be a funny story to tell the grandkids but it turned out to be this raging, bleeping sadistic blob.
Apparently his partner was horrified by what he’d done and kept saying ‘please don’t die, please don’t die!’ to the lady.
Barmouth is lovely, such a nice place for a little break, especially if you are retired. Forever tainted now. Imagine the poor hoteliers in her actual B&B 💔
 
Christ almighty. The first thing I would think of if I saw a old woman sleeping in my house would be dementia. A big ’young’ man like him only had to say ‘right lady, get up and get out.’ What’s his defence? She was intimidating? Ready to attack? We read so many cases on here, but this one, particularly this one, I want him to go down. I want his picture plastered across the papers and I want the headline ‘granny killer’ under it. I want the whole prison canteen to know that he kills defenceless nanas and to treat him accordingly.
 
hogwartsgraduate said:
If he was aware of an intruder he could have called police, even if he felt he could go face to face with them you don't react like that upon seeing an old lady - again walk away if needs be if there's threats etc.
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This is what I would do - call the police, lock myself in the bathroom if I was concerned about my safety. A 21 stone, middle aged man vs a 7 stone elderly lady is no match, he must have realised he had the upper hand.
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Nottonightbabe said:
He must have previous, with a reaction like that, surely?
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In the report I read he has been accused of attacking a partner in the past. Not sure if it’s his current one.
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LloydsBoosters said:
Eleanor Williams has been sentenced to 8 years.
news.sky.com

Eleanor Williams sentencing - live: 'I am never going to recover,' says victim as woman who told 'pack of lies' about being groomed and abused is sentenced

Eleanor Williams, 22, sentenced to eight and a half years in prison after being found to have falsely claimed she was abused by a grooming gang. Watch the sentencing on demand below.
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I don’t get this case at all. It says she told her Mum she was on some sort of register since the age of 9 as she was at risk of sexual exploitation which of course could have been a lie but I’m wondering if it came out in court. She said she wanted to expose what was happening in Barrow - is this something she’s read about or experienced with friends? Using a hammer to hit your face and eye is so extreme, she’s lucky she didn’t do permanent damage. Such extreme lengths make me think she is mentally unwell, I don’t know I just find it such a strange case. The poor men who went through it.
 
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