Paris Hilton

[Pinkii]

Another rich person wanting to rent a womb!

they will never convince me they can’t carry a child, its the easier option for them to rent out the womb! The ones who are ‘forthcoming’ with why they chose this route like priyanka and jaime chung are even worse

The person being a surrogate for these rich people isnt doing it out of the goodness of their heart! for some women its the only choice they have to get a decent amount of money.

Most won’t realise the affect it could potentially have on them post birth, all the complications thay can happen, not having ‘your’ baby would be incredibly hard, and the poor babies, being taken away from the only body/sound they have known.

Its a disgusting new trend thats happening in hollywood but I expect nothing less these days.

 

[BessieNessie]

Another rich person wanting to rent a womb!

they will never convince me they can’t carry a child, its the easier option for them to rent out the womb! The ones who are ‘forthcoming’ with why they chose this route like priyanka and jaime chung are even worse

The person being a surrogate for these rich people isnt doing it out of the goodness of their heart! for some women its the only choice they have to get a decent amount of money.

Most won’t realise the affect it could potentially have on them post birth, all the complications thay can happen, not having ‘your’ baby would be incredibly hard, and the poor babies, being taken away from the only body/sound they have known.

Its a disgusting new trend thats happening in hollywood but I expect nothing less these days.

It’s pure exploitation, the women who think they are doing a good deed are being exploited too, they are flattered and given attention then almost immediately discarded.

People who don’t think it’s exploitation need to ask themselves how come it’s never a wealthy woman bearing a child for a working class person? It’s always the other way around.

 

[GoldSilver]

Jesus some of you need help getting off your high horses! We don't know anything about Paris. Maybe she has a health condition that makes it so she can not/is difficult for her to natural conceive a child? Even if she can conceive naturally but chooses surrogacy, WHO CARES? As long as the surrogate mother is payed for her time/effort and Paris pays for it out her own money. You claim that the babies born via surrogacy can cause trauma but don't post anything to back your claim up. Listen I'm not a big Paris fan but damn the bitterness from some of you is revolting.

You should try and come up on the high horse. The view is obviously better up here.

Just because a woman is paid for the “use” of her body doesn’t make it ok.

Anyone that is genuinely supportive of womens rights would NOT condone surrogacy.

 

[strawberrypineapple]

Who is being the surrogate? Poor people.
Who is buying the baby? Rich people.

It's never a free choice, it's not a beautiful thing. It's buying a person and outsourcing discomfort/weight gain /very real risk of medical danger.

I don’t think Paris Hilton has chose somebody poor that she found begging on the street to be a surrogate for her

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

And thats before you get to the fact that pregnancy is bloody dangerous. Even if you've had other children without incident. It can lead to birth injuries in the mother. It can kill you. Which is by the by if you're doing it for yourself... but paying someone else to take those risks for you is pretty immoral imo.

On average - for every 100,000 babies born in the UK, less than 9 women die during childbirth...?

Khloe Kardashian lied about being infertile when she was married to Lamar - that family would lie about anything. Let’s face it, this is just rich women piling all the risk and consequence of pregnancy onto poor women because they live in a country that allows them to pay them to do it. This is not your sister, or your close friend, who’s had their own baby and wants to give you the chance to be a parent.

She lied about being infertile as she was afraid to have a baby with her drug addict husband who was constantly cheating on her. She lied to protect herself and also not to have to bring a baby into a toxic situation.

Trauma can begin at conception and affect the baby for the rest of their lives no matter how loving the family they are inducted into

Really? Never knew this - where is the research to back this up?

Jesus some of you need help getting off your high horses! We don't know anything about Paris. Maybe she has a health condition that makes it so she can not/is difficult for her to natural conceive a child? Even if she can conceive naturally but chooses surrogacy, WHO CARES? As long as the surrogate mother is payed for her time/effort and Paris pays for it out her own money. You claim that the babies born via surrogacy can cause trauma but don't post anything to back your claim up. Listen I'm not a big Paris fan but damn the bitterness from some of you is revolting.

Exactly! We really don't know the back story and what led Paris to make this choice. As long as everyone is happy with the situation - where is the problem?

 

[Lady_H]

Wow - there are some very ignorant views on surrogacy on this thread.

Surrogacy completes families. For LGBT+ couples, older couples or couples who cannot conceive the traditional way surrogacy is often the answer to years of unsuccessful attempts to create a family. And for the surrogate it is often a rewarding and fulfilling experience. Most women who choose surrogacy do so to give back to another family. It takes a selfless and compassionate person to become a surrogate. A surrogate can walk away from the experience with a deep sense of pride and satisfaction that they were able to help another family in the most selfless way possible.
Surrogacy also allows for genetic connections. Gestational surrogacy often enables one or both parents to maintain a biological relationship with their child. Surrogacy is likely to be successful. Surrogates have a proven track record of carrying healthy pregnancies, which often makes surrogacy more likely to be successful than fertility treatments for intended parents.
Surrogacy can also be a beautiful experience for all involved. It creates relationships. Many parents become close with their surrogate and her family during the process and can develop bonds that last a lifetime.
Surrogacy often ensures the parents are involved every step of the way. Intended parents are often able to be involved in their surrogate’s pregnancy, attending appointments etc. and being there for important milestones, including the birth.

You sound exactly the same as proponents of the commercial surrogacy industry with a wilful disregard of the actual lived experience of women - and babies - involved.

Surrogacy is highly controversial, I wouldn’t be too quick to label people who disagree with it as “ignorant”. Do you really believe that surrogacy is consistently a “beautiful experience for all involved”? You obviously haven’t read any of the studies that suggest very much otherwise, or the personal experiences of birth mothers traumatised by their surrogacy experiences (and that includes educated western women, not just those poor souls being exploited for a pittance in places like India, who were “selfless”enough to offer their wombs for the benefit of another family and deeply regret it).

Of course at the very bottom of the barrel in all this prioritising of “completing (rich) LGBT+ families” is the potential impact of the infant itself in this highly traumatic arrangement. But hey a gay couple or a rich person got a kid, so who cares about that.

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

they will never convince me they can’t carry a child, its the easier option for them to rent out the womb! The ones who are ‘forthcoming’ with why they chose this route like priyanka and jaime chung are even worse

What?

'they will never convince me they can’t carry a child' - You are aware that there are women who are unable to carry children - right?!

The person being a surrogate for these rich people isnt doing it out of the goodness of their heart! for some women its the only choice they have to get a decent amount of money.

How on earth could you possibly know this? Have you spoken to every single person who has ever been a surrogate?! What a sweeping and inaccurate statement to make.

Its a disgusting new trend thats happening in hollywood but I expect nothing less these days.

'A new trend'...?
I think you should go and do some research on this before making such inaccurate statements

It’s pure exploitation, the women who think they are doing a good deed are being exploited too, they are flattered and given attention then almost immediately discarded.

How have you come to this conclusion?

Surrogacy is highly controversial, I wouldn’t be too quick to label people who disagree with it as “ignorant”.

I didn't label anyone as ignorant. I said that there were a lot of ignorant views on this thread.

Do you really believe that surrogacy is consistently a “beautiful experience for all involved”? You obviously haven’t read any of the studies that suggest very much otherwise, or the personal experiences of birth mother traumatised by their surrogacy experiences (and that includes educated western women, not just those being exploited for a pittance in places like India, who were “selfless”enough to offer their wombs for the benefit of another family and deeply regret it).

Yes - I do believe it can be a beautiful experience for all involved. Obviously there will be exceptions, but that's the same for everything!
Can you link some of these studies you've mentioned?

 

[Lady_H]

As long as everyone is happy with the situation - where is the problem?

How do you know “everyone is happy with the situation?”

And more specifically, how do you know they are all happy AFTER - let alone during - the child is born, handed over and paid for?

You seem to have a rather naive perspective on things that are actually really quite complex.

Carrying a child to term, feeling that baby grow inside you, bonding (or not) with that baby, giving birth (with or without problems and/or injury), giving that baby away never to see it again, being a child that was brought into the world in this way, receiving a (no doubt desperately wanted) child that you have not carried yourself, adjusting to that child, perhaps even struggling with the realities of parenting while knowing that you chose and paid for this.

Every single part of this is fraught with emotional, physical and psychological short- and long-term implications.

The reality is a far cry from “everyone is happy, so where’s the problem”.

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

How do you know “everyone is happy with the situation?”

How do you know they're not happy with the situation?

You seem to have a rather naive perspective on things that are actually really quite complex.

I actually have an open minded and accepting perspective of a very complex issue.

Carrying a child to term, feeling that baby grow inside you, bonding (or not) with that baby, giving birth (with or without problems and/or injury), giving that baby away never to see it again, being a child that was brought into the world in this way, receiving a (no doubt desperately wanted) child that you have not carried yourself, adjusting to that child, perhaps even struggling with the realities of parenting while knowing that you chose and paid for this.

In fact, the above is a very naïve perspective. Surrogates often create long term relationships with the parents and communicate/visit with them afterwards.

 

[Perspicacia Tick]

On average - for every 100,000 babies born in the UK, less than 9 women die during childbirth

And in the USA (where most of these commercial surrogacy arrangements take place) that rate is 24 in 100,000 one of the highest rates in the world. Which is terrible, and even worse if they die because they were carrying a baby because someone else really really wanted one (but not enough to do the hard work themselves obviously).

And there are no checks or balances on who can commission a surrogate. All you need is enough money. So Jane, who is infertile and desperate for a baby and will be a wonderful mother can do it. And so can John - who likes to have sex with children (which has happened btw - more than once).

It's an exploitative, cruel practice (which is why it's illegal in most countries) and it should be outlawed everywhere. For the sake of the babies who should be the most important person in the equation - but never are.

 

[Pinkii]

And in the USA (where most of these commercial surrogacy arrangements take place) that rate is 24 in 100,000 one of the highest rates in the world. Which is terrible, and even worse if they die because they were carrying a baby because someone else really really wanted one (but not enough to do the hard work themselves obviously).

And there are no checks or balances on who can commission a surrogate. All you need is enough money. So Jane, who is infertile and desperate for a baby and will be a wonderful mother can do it. And so can John - who likes to have sex with children (which has happened btw - more than once).

It's an exploitative, cruel practice (which is why it's illegal in most countries) and it should be outlawed everywhere. For the sake of the babies who should be the most important person in the equation - but never are.

Well said

I just hate this whole notion that every aspect of a females body can be up for sale for the right price…

I know men also can be purchased in ways (sperm/escort etc), but its mainly the women who are up for sale all the time.

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

And in the USA (where most of these commercial surrogacy arrangements take place) that rate is 24 in 100,000 one of the highest rates in the world. Which is terrible, and even worse if they die because they were carrying a baby because someone else really really wanted one (but not enough to do the hard work themselves obviously).

I think this is unfair - What about the women who cannot carry babies? It's not that they are choosing not to do 'the hard work themselves' - they are physically unable to.

And there are no checks or balances on who can commission a surrogate. All you need is enough money. So Jane, who is infertile and desperate for a baby and will be a wonderful mother can do it. And so can John - who likes to have sex with children (which has happened btw - more than once).

Not sure what you mean here - sorry.

It's an exploitative, cruel practice (which is why it's illegal in most countries) and it should be outlawed everywhere. For the sake of the babies who should be the most important person in the equation - but never are.

But this is just your opinion. Just because you deem something as exploitative, doesn't mean it is fact.[/QUOTE]

Well said

I just hate this whole notion that every aspect of a females body can be up for sale for the right price…

I know men also can be purchased in ways (sperm/escort etc), but its mainly the women who are up for sale all the time.

Are you a feminist? I am.

One of the core beliefs of feminism is that a woman has the right to full bodily autonomy.
'My body, my choice'

 

[Perspicacia Tick]

Are you a feminist? I am.

One of the core beliefs of feminism is that a woman has the right to full bodily autonomy.
'My body, my choice'

Yes I am.

But I don't think my children are part of my body once born so that's a moot point.

I also don't think I should be able to sell my organs, doesn't affect my feminist credentials one iota.

 

[Beverley Macker]

I think this is unfair - What about the women who cannot carry babies? It's not that they are choosing not to do 'the hard work themselves' - they are physically unable to.




Not sure what you mean here - sorry.


But this is just your opinion. Just because you deem something as exploitative, doesn't mean it is fact.

Are you a feminist? I am.

One of the core beliefs of feminism is that a woman has the right to full bodily autonomy.
'My body, my choice'
[/QUOTE]
Do you think women should be able to sell their kidneys then?

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

Yes I am.

But I don't think my children are part of my body once born so that's a moot point.

I also don't think I should be able to sell my organs, doesn't affect my feminist credentials one iota.

Trying to control what other women do with their bodies is anti-feminist.

 

[panini]

And there are no checks or balances on who can commission a surrogate. All you need is enough money. So Jane, who is infertile and desperate for a baby and will be a wonderful mother can do it. And so can John - who likes to have sex with children (which has happened btw - more than once).

I forgot there’s checks for individuals that conceive naturally

 

[Perspicacia Tick]

I forgot there’s checks for individuals that conceive naturally

There aren't because they are conceiving naturally. And sometimes that goes very very wrong for the child.

People using surrogates aren't conceiving naturally. They are buying a baby from someone else. The very least that baby deserves is some kind of check that the person buying them isn't likely to be a danger to them.

 

[GillyWilly]

Extremely long time lurker here. Felt I had to jump on to this. I'm approaching mid 30s and have an extremely compromised reproductive system. I am having to jump through fire hoops to get the help that I desperately need. Chances of natural conception are low. I am hoping to have my eggs frozen soon, and surrogacy appeals to me. My older sister who has carried 3 of her own children has selflessly offered to be a surrogate if she could. My body has been through HELL most of my life, the thought of IVF is extremely triggering for me. So what do I do? Not have kids? Adopt? That can take so so long and is extremely difficult process.

I am not rich, not even close. I don't even own a house yet.

I fully agree with this Hollywood "trend" and how unacceptable it is, but don't bash all surrogacy situations because NO ONE knows what any woman/couples are going through.

Going back into the lurking shadows whilst I pray for a miracle that one day I will be a mother.

 

[Perspicacia Tick]

Trying to control what other women do with their bodies is anti-feminist.

I mean you can get pregnant as many times as you like for whatever reason you like. Crack on.

But once a child is born it has its own rights, and I strongly believe that one of those rights is not to be sold on for cash to whoever can afford it. No matter how sad not having a baby makes them.

(And we dictate what people can do with their own bodies all the time! Usually when their choices affect other people... you know, like babies)

 

[panini]

There aren't because they are conceiving naturally. And sometimes that goes very very wrong for the child.

People using surrogates aren't conceiving naturally. They are buying a baby from someone else. The very least that baby deserves is some kind of check that the person buying them isn't likely to be a danger to them.

Intended Parents Screening | Surrogate.com

Intended parents are also screened to ensure they are safe to work with and emotionally and financially ready to commit to you and to the surrogacy process.

surrogate.com

Screening and background checks for UK surrogacy - Brilliant Beginnings

brilliantbeginnings.co.uk

Organisations do perform checks if arrangements are made through them. Yes this doesn’t extend for private arrangements, but some checks do exist.