NicNacLou #5 Nicky Nooman Undressed Hooman

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It's the being trapped on a ship for days with a bunch of random people with all sorts of germs, when your broken chemoed body is primed to catch every single infection that comes anywhere near you AND you don't even have a fully equipped hospital in easy reach, that really blows my mind about her decision to take this trip.

It. Is. Insane.
 
Jvuddie said:
It's the being trapped on a ship for days with a bunch of random people with all sorts of germs, when your broken chemoed body is primed to catch every single infection that comes anywhere near you AND you don't even have a fully equipped hospital in easy reach, that really blows my mind about her decision to take this trip.

It. Is. Insane.
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Yes especially as cruise ships are known for being locked down when there have been covid outbreaks onboard. The whole thing is madness.
 
She may WANT to do all of these things. But the reality is that she is very poorly and needs to take it easy. The prancing about on the boat has already started, and I just don’t know why she continually wants to do all that stuff. I still think Netflix Marathons and Mcdonalds and a romance novel is a great alternative. And other things too that don’t break the bank. This whole concept of “living list” is a bit pointless if when you are doing the “living” you are in your cabin sleeping. It’s like it’s NOT OK to just sit in the garden and look at the birds, and take it all in. Or even just go for a walk. Or have some friends over for a nice lunch on a Sunday. Or even just get off the internet full stop. Shocker. It has to be BIGGER and BETTER and we must all know about it! Or it’s not living—which is ironic, given her message. She is missing the point of living entirely.
 
Olgivy said:
She may WANT to do all of these things. But the reality is that she is very poorly and needs to take it easy. The prancing about on the boat has already started, and I just don’t know why she continually wants to do all that stuff. I still think Netflix Marathons and Mcdonalds and a romance novel is a great alternative. And other things too that don’t break the bank. This whole concept of “living list” is a bit pointless if when you are doing the “living” you are in your cabin sleeping. It’s like it’s NOT OK to just sit in the garden and look at the birds, and take it all in. Or even just go for a walk. Or have some friends over for a nice lunch on a Sunday. Or even just get off the internet full stop. Shocker. It has to be BIGGER and BETTER and we must all know about it! Or it’s not living—which is ironic, given her message. She is missing the point of living entirely.
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Yes - Nicky thinks living is throwing money and new experiences at everything. Which must be expensive and exhausting.

But it really isnt. Living is surely just living in the now (you know, the stuff she peddles but doesn't actually do) as much as you can and appreciating the everyday experiences too, the ones that we all seem to want to escape for some reason because we try and chase a constant thrill.
I guess it takes time to realise you can't actually capture happiness or excitement and, even if you did, it wouldn't last.

And all the exciting experiences and money in the world isn't going to change the situation. It's just another form of fighting something.

When it comes to it, at the end, she'll probably be far more appreciative of quality time she spent with loved ones at home than all the trips she went on and brunches she had.

She needs a head wobble.
 
jackolantern said:
It's because she's trying to distract her mind. It's far harder to do that sat in the garden or watching Netflix than busying yourself with constant excursions.
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True, but you can't always busy your mind (when funds or health end up preventing it) This control strategy won't always be possible, you can't always avoid bad stuff or distract yourself from bad stuff. Sometimes it is necessary to look at it, however scary, to try and accept that fear a bit

And if she spends the rest of her time trying to distract herself from stuff I promise it is going to make it so much harder when this strategy is no longer possible. She will be left with nothing apart from the situation, which she won't be mentally prepared to deal with as she has spent ages running away from it.

But this is just my opinion and I think stress and anxiety about most things come more from the way we try desperately to control, deny and prevent stuff, than the actual situations causing them.
 
Jvuddie said:
Yes - Nicky thinks living is throwing money and new experiences at everything. Which must be expensive and exhausting.

But it really isnt. Living is surely just living in the now (you know, the stuff she peddles but doesn't actually do) as much as you can and appreciating the everyday experiences too, the ones that we all seem to want to escape for some reason because we try and chase a constant thrill.
I guess it takes time to realise you can't actually capture happiness or excitement and, even if you did, it wouldn't last.

And all the exciting experiences and money in the world isn't going to change the situation. It's just another form of fighting something.

When it comes to it, at the end, she'll probably be far more appreciative of quality time she spent with loved ones at home than all the trips she went on and brunches she had.

She needs a head wobble.
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You nailed it.

Without getting too philosophical because we may not all agree. But if a monk can have nothing but a basic mattress on the floor and a meditation mat for 80 years and be deliriously happy, then it’s highly misguided to think you need to be in the middle of an ocean with other misguided souls and “all the things” for a “happiness hit”. Tich Nhat Hanh was 95 when he passed away (think it was earlier this year) he was a Buddhist monk, the guy had nothing, no possessions, basic diet and never had any sexual relations his entire life. All he had was spreading the word of peace and joy. And gosh, if you watch his videos on YT—well tit. He is peace and contentment personified. His voice is so calming, he makes me feel “present” in a way no other has before. He didn’t need to prance about and twerk his backside to inspire the world to live, that’s for sure. We don’t all need to go to that extreme obviously, but it does get you thinking about what we do in society— as a way to get that “happiness hit”, and how pointless a lot of it is. We have all we need inside.
 
Jvuddie said:
True, but you can't always busy your mind (when funds or health end up preventing it) This control strategy won't always be possible, you can't always avoid bad stuff or distract yourself from bad stuff. Sometimes it is necessary to look at it, however scary, to try and accept that fear a bit

And if she spends the rest of her time trying to distract herself from stuff I promise it is going to make it so much harder when this strategy is no longer possible. She will be left with nothing apart from the situation, which she won't be mentally prepared to deal with as she has spent ages running away from it.

But this is just my opinion and I think stress and anxiety about most things come more from the way we try desperately to control, deny and prevent stuff, than the actual situations causing them.
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I know that, I'm just trying to explain why she does it. Not saying it works, just I understand why she does.
 
jackolantern said:
I know that, I'm just trying to explain why she does it. Not saying it works, just I understand why she does.
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Basically then we can just agree she is an idiot making her life much harder without even realising it...

Would do her good to have a deep think about stuff but i am not sure she has the capacity. This is a, basically, middle aged woman obsessed with disney land after all.
 
Olgivy said:
Going on a cruise in the middle of chemo is a really stupid thing to do. I mean really? If she has any complications or her health deteriorates….all they will have on board is a bleeping first aid kit and a hand hold.
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They have very good medical facilities on cruise ships - a first aid kit and a hand hold?! I mean, I still wouldn't go on a cruise right in the middle of chemo, but they do have doctors on board!

I think she is really struggling with this chemo, and her general health. I wonder if Tui are wondering whether it was such a great idea to gift a free cruise to someone so poorly. Apart from the fact that she is unable to document the whole thing properly, the optics are quite bad for them as well, exploiting a very ill person for marketing purposes.

It's sad really. She is trying to tick off her bucket list and fit in as much as she can, which is understandable. But the reality of what is happening is really kicking in, she is probably panicking and feeling really scared.

I know most terminally ill patients go through the exact process just going about their normal lives, rather than on cruises and holidays, but it's still kind of uncomfortable to watch it play out.
 
Glitteryflipflops said:
They have very good medical facilities on cruise ships - a first aid kit and a hand hold?! I mean, I still wouldn't go on a cruise right in the middle of chemo, but they do have doctors on board!

I think she is really struggling with this chemo, and her general health. I wonder if Tui are wondering whether it was such a great idea to gift a free cruise to someone so poorly. Apart from the fact that she is unable to document the whole thing properly, the optics are quite bad for them as well, exploiting a very ill person for marketing purposes.
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They may have Doctors but this is someone who would need the help and expertise of an oncologist, and the facilities of a hospital. Going on a cruise in her condition is completely irresponsible.
 
Glitteryflipflops said:
They have very good medical facilities on cruise ships - a first aid kit and a hand hold?! I mean, I still wouldn't go on a cruise right in the middle of chemo, but they do have doctors on board!

I think she is really struggling with this chemo, and her general health. I wonder if Tui are wondering whether it was such a great idea to gift a free cruise to someone so poorly. Apart from the fact that she is unable to document the whole thing properly, the optics are quite bad for them as well, exploiting a very ill person for marketing purposes.

It's sad really. She is trying to tick off her bucket list and fit in as much as she can, which is understandable. But the reality of what is happening is really kicking in, she is probably panicking and feeling really scared.

I know most terminally ill patients go through the exact process just going about their normal lives, rather than on cruises and holidays, but it's still kind of uncomfortable to watch it play out.
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Yes most cruise ships do have a well equipped medical centre...however they do not have the wherewithal to treat someone with neutropoenic sepsis or provide a blood transfusion ...which is what I'd be afraid of if I were in Nic's shoes
she was borderline needing a transfusion before she had her treatment last week and her haemoglobin is bound to have dropped even further by now...no wonder she's feeling crap
I'd rather be curled up in bed at home with a mug of tea watching Netflix than sitting in a bus when she's so obviously unwell
 
Glitteryflipflops said:
They have very good medical facilities on cruise ships - a first aid kit and a hand hold?! I mean, I still wouldn't go on a cruise right in the middle of chemo, but they do have doctors on board!

I think she is really struggling with this chemo, and her general health. I wonder if Tui are wondering whether it was such a great idea to gift a free cruise to someone so poorly. Apart from the fact that she is unable to document the whole thing properly, the optics are quite bad for them as well, exploiting a very ill person for marketing purposes.

It's sad really. She is trying to tick off her bucket list and fit in as much as she can, which is understandable. But the reality of what is happening is really kicking in, she is probably panicking and feeling really scared.

I know most terminally ill patients go through the exact process just going about their normal lives, rather than on cruises and holidays, but it's still kind of uncomfortable to watch it play out.
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Last time I had really strong chemo I was in hospital for a week (edit - sorry, two!) with an infection that progressed to sepsis and I nearly died. It was nothing to do with my cancer - my body was just destroyed by the chemo drugs and i was open to every illness (and i barely even left the house!) . And she is about 5th line - can't remember the drug she is on but it will be a STRONG one.

I am terminally ill, however she or anyone tries to justify the decision it is a stupid one.
 
Quite frankly, if the doctors on that ship have no idea how to treat my illness should I have any complications, then what they can provide is as good as a hand hold for me. Her needs are not the same as someone who may sprain an ankle or fall down the stairs. She requires specialist intervention. They no nothing about her condition, and there will be no specialist help should she need it. It’s not their fault, because she shouldn’t be on the boat in the first place. She is too poorly for it.
 
Olgivy said:
Quite frankly, if the doctors on that ship have no idea how to treat my illness should I have any complications, then what they can provide is as good as a hand hold for me. Her needs are not the same as someone who may sprain an ankle or fall down the stairs. She requires specialist intervention. They no nothing about her condition, and there will be no specialist help should she need it. It’s not their fault, because she shouldn’t be on the boat in the first place. She is too poorly for it.
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The idea of being totally stuck, at sea, on a cruise ship where you are really open to catching anything from a number of global passengers, with a more basic medical team than you would get in a fully equipped hospital and getting sepsis (super high risk on strong chemo) and hallucinating your absolute arse off while being unable to move and sleeping for 20 hours a day feeling like you are about to die (sepsis is no joke) fills me with abject horror.

I'm so aghast at this particular nicky life choice, i must say
 
Jvuddie said:
The idea of being totally stuck, at sea, on a cruise ship where you are really open to catching anything from a number of global passengers, with a more basic medical team than you would get in a fully equipped hospital and getting sepsis (super high risk on strong chemo) and hallucinating your absolute arse off while being unable to move and sleeping for 20 hours a day feeling like you are about to die (sepsis is no joke) fills me with abject fear tbh.
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Terrifying scenario. But you can tell she wants to “just do it anyway”. Her husband needs a slap for going along with this ridiculous plan. “The worse may never happen”. But….I can’t begin to imagine how she would explain everything to those doctors on board if she goes downhill. Sure, they would try their best for her. But they would also no doubt be looking at her wide eyed and wondering why on earth she chose to be in the middle of the ocean in her condition. Good luck with that. 🤦‍♀️
 
I think that she actually has a form of addiction to these holidays, and the 'happiness hit' it gives her, because she is terrified that each one might be her last and she doesn't want to exist in the real world. She is able to feed this addiction from her GFM, but its actually probably making her mental health even worse. Because she does have the means to go on all these holidays, she books and books and books, and the more she goes away, the more she has to book the next one because that can't be her 'last holiday'. It's horrible.

I remember just before Rachael Bland died they went to Salcombe I think for a family holiday. At the end of the holiday she posted a picture of Salcombe saying 'see you again next year?'. She must have known she wouldn't, and she died about a month later, but it was like she had come to terms with it in a way (as much as you can) and they had enjoyed that last holiday together as a family.

I feel like Nicky won't ever get that?
 
Glitteryflipflops said:
I think that she actually has a form of addiction to these holidays, and the 'happiness hit' it gives her, because she is terrified that each one might be her last and she doesn't want to exist in the real world. She is able to feed this addiction from her GFM, but its actually probably making her mental health even worse. Because she does have the means to go on all these holidays, she books and books and books, and the more she goes away, the more she has to book the next one because that can't be her 'last holiday'. It's horrible.

I remember just before Rachael Bland died they went to Salcombe I think for a family holiday. At the end of the holiday she posted a picture of Salcombe saying 'see you again next year?'. She must have known she wouldn't, and she died about a month later, but it was like she had come to terms with it in a way (as much as you can) and they had enjoyed that last holiday together as a family.

I feel like Nicky won't ever get that?
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Rachael Bland had such a sensible attitude to it all - I really appreciated the way she handled it. It was classy.
So much respect for her.
 
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