Mike and Dave Kay #4 RIP Medium Shirt

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shesellseashells said:
I don't think there is a consensus however the main suspects that I can see are:

PCDev and/or Bianca
They have feuded with The Trackers in the past. PCDev engaged a bit with the FRE comment section in the earlier days. The videos making fun of PCDev aren't anywhere near as bad as they could be - possibly made as an 'alibi'. Videos have dried up when PCDev has had other things on - e.g his recent cruise.

Shawn in Orlando
Regularly sounds off on Michael Kay/other bloggers on his Tiktok. I don't think this one is likely because there's supposedly a female editor involved with FRE. Possibly a contributor.

Michael/Dave themselves
Also seems unlikely. Unless this forum has completely misread Michael/Dave I don't think either of them are capable of the wit required to create FRE. I also don't think they would be self deprecating enough.

Craig/Ryno/Others from The Dis
Like with PCDev, the videos making fun of The Dis crew aren't as bad as they could be and seem to be the kind of self deprecating humour Craig would have. They certainly have the skills and resources to make it happen. Their channel has also been around for a very long time and the influx of these new vloggers must irk them somewhat. FRE also actively makes fun of Craig (self deprecating) but has stated numerous time that Craig's wife Kylie is amazing. The counter point to this is that Craig has seemingly got on well with The Trackers in the past, although this could have just been politeness.

WDWNT
I think these guys have escaped any kind of mockery from FRE despite being a pretty big target with Tom being widely disliked. That's really the only evidence.


Realistically it's probably none of these people and it's most likely a greasy 40 year old living in their Mom's basement lol
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I think the fact that Dave and Michael consider friendly suggestions from their dwindling fan base as ban worthy hate comments makes me highly doubtful they're very big on self deprecating humor.
 
shesellseashells said:
I don't think there is a consensus however the main suspects that I can see are:

PCDev and/or Bianca
They have feuded with The Trackers in the past. PCDev engaged a bit with the FRE comment section in the earlier days. The videos making fun of PCDev aren't anywhere near as bad as they could be - possibly made as an 'alibi'. Videos have dried up when PCDev has had other things on - e.g his recent cruise.

Shawn in Orlando
Regularly sounds off on Michael Kay/other bloggers on his Tiktok. I don't think this one is likely because there's supposedly a female editor involved with FRE. Possibly a contributor.

Michael/Dave themselves
Also seems unlikely. Unless this forum has completely misread Michael/Dave I don't think either of them are capable of the wit required to create FRE. I also don't think they would be self deprecating enough.

Craig/Ryno/Others from The Dis
Like with PCDev, the videos making fun of The Dis crew aren't as bad as they could be and seem to be the kind of self deprecating humour Craig would have. They certainly have the skills and resources to make it happen. Their channel has also been around for a very long time and the influx of these new vloggers must irk them somewhat. FRE also actively makes fun of Craig (self deprecating) but has stated numerous time that Craig's wife Kylie is amazing. The counter point to this is that Craig has seemingly got on well with The Trackers in the past, although this could have just been politeness.

WDWNT
I think these guys have escaped any kind of mockery from FRE despite being a pretty big target with Tom being widely disliked. That's really the only evidence.


Realistically it's probably none of these people and it's most likely a greasy 40 year old living in their Mom's basement lol
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I'll add that once FRE and Dave Kay were using very similar text overlays / font choices / thumbnails in their videos - at right around the same exact time.

Also, some think it's Jackie SuperEnthused and her fiancé since there are both male and female aspects to FRE. I've witnessed a female calling herself FRE asking questions about if something was "what males do" w/ regard to MKay on another board that I don't think I can name on here (not GG). When FRE showed up on Tattle, they once used the female emoji as well. Also, there was the topic of menstruation with a Paging Mr Morrow video once and no man would be thinking of that subject matter.

Though, I don't really know why Jackie SE and her man would go after the Trackers so hard and I'm unaware of any major beef she's had with them (but it IS interesting that virtually no vlogs that FRE ever made have Jackie in them - maybe one or two, if that???)

Edited to add: I DO think it's strange that FRE took a break - but said it was already pre-planned - right around the time of the cruise thing w/ Mikey and Dave and all hell breaking loose. Since then, I think they put out a couple more vlogs then haven't since October 6th even though there's been so much to work w/ with the Kays and the Trackers and the 50th anniv. and all that.
 
HeyLetsGoState said:
So here's a story I'll share because none of y'all know me. On a lot of my long runs, I'd make sure to have the same routine. Same breakfast, same hydration, same route, etc. A certain Run Disney event comes up. I forget to bring some bars with me. My wife has some other bar she likes to eat. She says, "here have one of these...."

I made the worst runner mistake of changing things up. We get to the corrals. I'm stretching/warming up and just trying to keep loose. Race finally starts and our chunk of people get going. I get about 1.5 miles in and I can hear the churn. Then I start to sweat. And then I feel it just brewing. It was like watching those old cartoons showing the tar-pits bubble up. Long story short, I'm finally inside one of the parks during the run and the first bathroom I see - I make a beeline for it. It was like that scene from Dumb & Dumber.
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Going to put this theory in spoilers in case anybody is reading while eating.... :censored:

Could Michael have been talking so much during the vlog to cover up any churning/gassy noises loosening up during his run? If so I can't blame him for the restless commentary, but then I'll feel even worse for everyone running in his vicinity during the event. :ROFLMAO:

Now whenever he goes into a fast-paced squealing frenzy I'm always going to have this image in my head. Going to have to skip all of those moving forward!
 
I thought 5k was in miles the whole video. But the most important part of the video for me was that Mikey confirmed that he wears a size large or at least that is what he should be wearing.
 
wtc50e said:
You honestly think Dave Kay could be FRE? He has no charism charm or talent without a doubt not FRE
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If you're referring to me, no. I just thought the use of similar text overlays and font at right around the same time was pretty interesting. If I wanted to waste time looking through the vlogs to find it to show you, I would but I don't want to. 🤣 Can't stand scrolling thru Dave's face.
 
There's no way someone as spectacularly ungifted as Dave could put together something as biting as FRE. I can definitely see him having a lot of anger/resentment towards Mikey, but I don't think he's got the ability to have that level of insight.
 
2020planner said:
I'll add that once FRE and Dave Kay were using very similar text overlays / font choices / thumbnails in their videos - at right around the same exact time.

Also, some think it's Jackie SuperEnthused and her fiancé since there are both male and female aspects to FRE. I've witnessed a female calling herself FRE asking questions about if something was "what males do" w/ regard to MKay on another board that I don't think I can name on here (not GG). When FRE showed up on Tattle, they once used the female emoji as well. Also, there was the topic of menstruation with a Paging Mr Morrow video once and no man would be thinking of that subject matter.

Though, I don't really know why Jackie SE and her man would go after the Trackers so hard and I'm unaware of any major beef she's had with them (but it IS interesting that virtually no vlogs that FRE ever made have Jackie in them - maybe one or two, if that???)

Edited to add: I DO think it's strange that FRE took a break - but said it was already pre-planned - right around the time of the cruise thing w/ Mikey and Dave and all hell breaking loose. Since then, I think they put out a couple more vlogs then haven't since October 6th even though there's been so much to work w/ with the Kays and the Trackers and the 50th anniv. and all that.
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I kind of still think it is SE & her man. There hasn’t been much FRE since he arrived in the Us and wedding planning has been in full effect
 
CoolWhip said:
I kind of still think it is SE & her man. There hasn’t been much FRE since he arrived in the Us and wedding planning has been in full effect
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That's what I started leaning toward too.
But then why come so hard at the Trackers? I would think Dev would have more reason to do that than Jackie?

FRE also has made obscure references to things that I honestly am not sure any of these vlogger fucks would know.

Side note - FRE also doesn't spellcheck their on-screen words. There are frequent typos. If that helps as a clue. 🤣
 
shesellseashells said:
I don't think there is a consensus however the main suspects that I can see are:

PCDev and/or Bianca
They have feuded with The Trackers in the past. PCDev engaged a bit with the FRE comment section in the earlier days. The videos making fun of PCDev aren't anywhere near as bad as they could be - possibly made as an 'alibi'. Videos have dried up when PCDev has had other things on - e.g his recent cruise.

Shawn in Orlando
Regularly sounds off on Michael Kay/other bloggers on his Tiktok. I don't think this one is likely because there's supposedly a female editor involved with FRE. Possibly a contributor.

Michael/Dave themselves
Also seems unlikely. Unless this forum has completely misread Michael/Dave I don't think either of them are capable of the wit required to create FRE. I also don't think they would be self deprecating enough.

Craig/Ryno/Others from The Dis
Like with PCDev, the videos making fun of The Dis crew aren't as bad as they could be and seem to be the kind of self deprecating humour Craig would have. They certainly have the skills and resources to make it happen. Their channel has also been around for a very long time and the influx of these new vloggers must irk them somewhat. FRE also actively makes fun of Craig (self deprecating) but has stated numerous time that Craig's wife Kylie is amazing. The counter point to this is that Craig has seemingly got on well with The Trackers in the past, although this could have just been politeness.

WDWNT
I think these guys have escaped any kind of mockery from FRE despite being a pretty big target with Tom being widely disliked. That's really the only evidence.


Realistically it's probably none of these people and it's most likely a greasy 40 year old living in their Mom's basement lol
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I appreciate the accusation, but understand this.

If I say something directly to someone, I want them to know, with 100% assurance, that it came from me.
 
Dave is such a strange fuckhead. He sees that only 6% of his subs are watching and the majority downvote yet he keeps producing a tit product.
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2020planner said:
That's what I started leaning toward too.
But then why come so hard at the Trackers? I would think Dev would have more reason to do that than Jackie?

FRE also has made obscure references to things that I honestly am not sure any of these vlogger fucks would know.

Side note - FRE also doesn't spellcheck their on-screen words. There are frequent typos. If that helps as a clue. 🤣
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I think the occam's razor is it is someone 'like us' in the sense of not actively in the vlogger community.
the break seems sus, but if it is a "regular" person, who knows what is going on in their life.

I just cannot imagine doing FRE AND maintaining a full time vlog, but that's just me.

Claude4 said:
Dave is such a strange fuckhead. He sees that only 6% of his subs are watching and the majority downvote yet he keeps producing a tit product.
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Papa and Mama Kay surely did a huge disservice to these two. Hopefully Michelle breaks the cycle.
 
I'm wondering if Mama Kay and Michael got into a big argument about YouTube not working out, Mama Kay left and cancelled his Annual Pass, and that's why Michael has only been to the parks once in the past three weeks because its on his dime now?

Haven't looked into AP cancellation policies but I think this might be more realistic than my hiding from fan's security guard partner theory!
 
DonnyBergerStan said:
I'm wondering if Mama Kay and Michael got into a big argument about YouTube not working out, Mama Kay left and cancelled his Annual Pass, and that's why Michael has only been to the parks once in the past three weeks because its on his dime now?

Haven't looked into AP cancellation policies but I think this might be more realistic than my hiding from fan's security guard partner theory!
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I'm sure there was something that went down with Mama Kay as she seems to have been MIA for a bit. I wonder if Mike blames her for some of his mistakes? :unsure:

That said, I doubt she had any authority over his AP. I'd also like to note that getting a refund on an AP is nearly impossible. Even last year with the COVID of it all, I knew people who either were told point blank, "Nope." or when it was granted waited 6+ mo for a refund.

I think he's just mad at Disney and not going or he is and just not filming it.
 
nogodsnomouse said:
I'm sure there was something that went down with Mama Kay as she seems to have been MIA for a bit. I wonder if Mike blames her for some of his mistakes? :unsure:

That said, I doubt she had any authority over his AP. I'd also like to note that getting a refund on an AP is nearly impossible. Even last year with the COVID of it all, I knew people who either were told point blank, "Nope." or when it was granted waited 6+ mo for a refund.

I think he's just mad at Disney and not going or he is and just not filming it.
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Yeah, I agree. They're non-refundable, non-transferrable. And if she tried (hypothetically), that'd be presuming she also bought the APs which I doubt.

While I'm not 100% sure he's *mad* at Disney (he likely wouldn't have forked over $ for runDisney if he was *that* mad), I do believe he's been kicked off D-list media and he's burned out.
 
I would guess he wasn't expecting the new restrictions on cruising. This must took a toll. If he lost media because of his brother's stupid hashtag. Change of path new things to restore experience?
 
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