Michael and Dave Kay #6 Not as Good as I Remember it Being

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Brookie said:
I was just getting ready to post about this. There are some areas on the ship that require vaccination to enter and masks are not required. Not that Michael would be hanging out at a lot of the bars, but I bet there will be no mention of it and he will not be goign to any of those areas. Also, if his wristband is not the same color as Kyle's (who is vaccinated and points out the needed wristband for vaccinated only areas), it does lead one to believe further confirmation of his status. Although for me, canceling a Disney Cruise was pretty much all the confirmation anyone needs. As others have mentioned, he couldn't help but talk about Disney throughout this vlog.
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If he goes to any shows, you could tell then if masks are on. They did separate vaxxed/unvaxxed seatings, and masks weren't required for the former.

Ponyhans said:
He spent 6$ dollars on slot machines but it's fine that he lost money because the money goes to the cruise line. Very nice.
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One-finger pointing AND gambling?

We need to revoke that family-friendly tag.
 
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starri said:
If he goes to any shows, you could tell then if masks are on. They did separate vaxxed/unvaxxed seatings, and masks weren't required for the former.
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Thanks. I haven't sailed on Royal Caribbean plus know that the rules are constantly changing (especially recently). I would be very surprised if he will film anything to give an indication to us. I would like to believe that he is vaccinated since he was not wearing masks indoors at WDW and clearly stated the new policy, but I just have a hard time trusting anything he says.
 
There are about 50000 things to gossip and call out Michael for already, and I'm not defending him in any case, but I think we should stick to what is actually evident from the videos and not make hyperbolic conjecture needlessly.
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Bingo! This guy is a snake-oil salesman, a charlatan, a hoax, a phony, a slimeball, and any other ways to describe it that you can think of. But the rest is without merit. Once again until someone has concrete evidence and not "Well that one time he refused to dance to the YMCA!" it's really in poor taste to toss baseless accusations around needlessly
 
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starri said:
Except it's not that now, is it? I'm sorry, but there's no way to interpret banning discussion of orientation as being anything other than homophobic. If there's another explanation, I'm glad to hear it.
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I agree with this take. “Homophobia” doesn’t only mean being outwardly aggressive towards gay people. Michael went out of his way (lol) to say “no discussion of orientation” and let’s be honest, we all understand that that means non-straight sexual orientation. If he’d wanted to prohibit any discussion of any adult romantic relationship, he would have said so. But he didn’t, meaning that he views any “orientation” besides straight as inappropriate for discussion, which yeah, is homophobic. Sure it’s not as aggressive and blatant as saying “no gay people allowed,” but it’s a similar sentiment and it’s a bad look.
 
SharaMcG said:
At the beginning of his vlog, as he's boarding the ship, there's a young woman and a little boy walking right behind him. And there's no one else nearby, so.... Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe she's a Kaykateer or even the mystery woman from Michigan. TBD?
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they were also seen further behind him before he got his ice cream at about the 3:09 mark
 
TikiMeerkat said:
I agree with this take. “Homophobia” doesn’t only mean being outwardly aggressive towards gay people. Michael went out of his way (lol) to say “no discussion of orientation” and let’s be honest, we all understand that that means non-straight sexual orientation. If he’d wanted to prohibit any discussion of any adult romantic relationship, he would have said so. But he didn’t, meaning that he views any “orientation” besides straight as inappropriate for discussion, which yeah, is homophobic. Sure it’s not as aggressive and blatant as saying “no gay people allowed,” but it’s a similar sentiment and it’s a bad look.
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This is simple to figure out. Post a comment somehow vaguely pointing out something related to homosexuality and see if it gets deleted. Just mention your a man and mention a husband or if you're a woman vice versa and see what happens. Figure out a way to work that into an innocent comment and then we'll know. I can't because I've been shadow banned for a while. Haha
 
Iwantallthetea said:
they were also seen further behind him before he got his ice cream at about the 3:09 mark
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I distrust the judgment of any parent who would let Mike around his or her child.

Jw0082 said:
This is simple to figure out. Post a comment somehow vaguely pointing out something related to homosexuality and see if it gets deleted. Just mention your a man and mention a husband or if you're a woman vice versa and see what happens. Figure out a way to work that into an innocent comment and then we'll know. I can't because I've been shadow banned for a while. Haha
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Done. I may be shadow banned myself, but I guess we'll see.

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Iwantallthetea said:
they were also seen further behind him before he got his ice cream at about the 3:09 mark
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Seems very odd that a random woman and boy would be walking so closely behind him getting on the ship when there is literally no one else anywhere in sight. And that they are around him at the ice cream part, too, and again no one else anywhere in sight?? I screenshotted it so I can zoom and see what they look like to watch for them again 🤣 This zoom in cracked me up! She doesn’t look like someone who is looking at him with love in her eyes 🤣 (don’t want to post the other ones because you can see the little boy’s face and I just don’t think it’s appropriate to post a pic of someone else’s kid.)

ETA: also in the beginning when they’re driving to the port, the filming is being done from the passenger seat.

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starri said:
I'm sorry, no. He's lived in the world, and he's from a cosmopolitan part of the country. He's at least met a gay person before. And if he didn't know what Pride was, he wouldn't have had to awkwardly pretend like that shirt was something it wasn't with the fumbling around to tie it to the Muppets.

Between that and the "no orientation" thing, I'm pointing to two examples of him being AT LEAST benignly homophobic. If he's not, he's welcome to prove me wrong.
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100%

Why are there multiple posters pontificating 2-3
paragraphs about giving MK the benefit of the doubt regarding his views on the LGBTQ community. It’s weird and really easy to give him a pass when you aren’t a member of said community. Just listen to us ffs, we’ve dealt with this.
 
starri said:
Mike isn't my patient.

Forgive me for taking your example to an extreme, but you almost suggest that I shouldn't be allowed to dislike anybody, because I wouldn't be able to be objective about them on the off chance they ended up in my office.
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Nope. Didn't imply that you couldn't dislike anyone. ;) Only went off of what you said repeatedly about hating Michael for what you believe he feels based on what he excludes from discussion.

I was just interested in how you'd deal w/ a patient hypothetically if they expressed the same thing you believe Michael to feel in the course of a discussion in your office. That's all. Thanks for answering!
 
2020planner said:
Nope. Didn't imply that you couldn't dislike anyone. ;) Only went off of what you said repeatedly about hating Michael for what you believe he feels based on what he excludes from discussion.
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I'm not of a mind to march on Mike's house with pitchforks and torches. Even people in my day-to-day life that I dislike get that level of energy. But, while I dislike a lot of vloggers, there's something about Mike's combo of hypocrisy, narcissism, and yes, homophobia, that rises above that. I'm not saying it's good, I'm not saying it's logical. I'm also not saying that Mike is the first thing I think of in the morning and the last at night, or that I throw darts at his face.

But I also think it's at least dismissive that myself and at least one other queer poster are told continuously that somehow his actions, which are the same kind of tit we've dealt with most of our lives, don't actually mean what we know they mean.

airbusA330 said:
Michael and Dave Kay #8: Mike rides Daddy Pig
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