Liz Fraser #4 A Venetian pigeon stole her croissant

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Yes quite right @Needham , even if you go kayaking or something in a group it’s normal they take a photo



But, according to Liz

They had a


“ Sunset aperitivo view on our first evening.
We ended with a walk through San Marco, saw the Bridge of Sighs from both sides and wandered home through the silent backstreets of Castello, nattering all the way.

Day 1 of my first Venice writing retreat: perfetto in every way 🧡✍🏻”



That sunset aperitivo would have been a great group shot Liz! Shame you only snapped a generic sunset instead..
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She did manage to take a photo of one single drink - presumably hers as a reward after running around swearing , taking photos of her feet and ‘nattering’ into the ether …
 

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This is so unhinged — the amount of effort she’s putting into this obvious deceit is mind blowing!

Anyway, saw this, this morning as it popped up on my feed— I’ve no idea who it’s really about, I’m not going to click on it as a) I’m not keen on OK, b) I was only looking for info about an upcoming event on the local FB page as I can’t bear FB, and c) I don’t want to destroy the pretence of Mrs Shepherd reading here 🤣

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UmbrellaMadeItHereAtLast said:
From things she’s said about meeting her client I got the impression there is just one person
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But several arrived on the same boat…

Several “walked home” together. Are ‘they’ staying at the flat? I thought they find their own accommodation 🤷‍♀️
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Ginnyreturns said:
The line 'we wandered home' is an interesting one. Presumably the delegates are not staying with Liz but in their own hotels....
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This.
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and talk about writing and life and love and humans and laugh a LOT.... nattering all the way.

As a 55-year-old woman, having been married for almost 30 years and with three children similar in age to Liz's first three and who attended school with hers, I’m a little on from discussing “love”.

nattering all the way. Old, gossipy ladies natter. Bitchy school gate mums natter. Nattering is not intelligent conversation.

If I venture into this realm at all with complete strangers, which I don’t, I’d prefer to talk about life directions after raising children, retirement plans and if anything at all personal, possibly my aspirations for my children's happiness. Love, life, humans is so teenage.

At a writing retreat or any course, I am investing a considerable amount of money and time to acquire new skills, not to revisit topics that don't align with my current interests and life phase or to be a founding board for a bitter and twisted woman with a never blunting axe to grind.
 
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@Ginnyreturns Ooh - good sleuthing re the walk 'home'!

This retreat stuff is all very mysterious and lacking in evidence, yet I’m almost disappointed the tote bag of limbs/trainers didn’t make it to Venice this time. We need photos of Liz with 6 delegates round a table with a copy of today's La Nuova Venezia otherwise it didn't happen. (And we'll know if it's a hostage situation, Liz. The delegates need to look happy, and we need to see their hands to check they are not cuffed.)

It would be a minor miracle of the Retreats are all Liz has made them out to be. Headcase wasn’t. Edgeway Press wasn’t. Articles for Grazia/Italia (whichever mag it was) weren’t. The 26 billion steps weren’t. The Venice diaries aren’t. The marathon wasn’t. Etc.

Meanwhile, I'm still giggling at the Mutha’s Day Card. From the pencils of babes ……… 😂
 
If you book onto a writing course you don't usually expect your tutor to come out in the evening and take you for a drink. That's a tour-guide experience, not a writing course.

It's some 'writing retreat', isn't it? No writing, no retreating. Seems more like a low-budget guided tour of the tourist quarter. Actually, I expect that there is at least one delegate there - possibly only one - because there are always people silly enough to book on to things like this.
Meanwhile I'm sitting here leafing through my many handouts for my next creative-writing workshop. Very boring, I'm afraid. People sat round a table discussing how to write a novel. Exercises. Reading aloud. Group discussion. 7 hours with a short break for coffee and another for lunch. I don't take them for a giddy chatty drinky walk around my local area. I don't even greet them with a duck YES! BORING.
 
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Marstonroadmrs said:
Liz is the queen of imposing herself on others, taking unsolicited photos and tagging orchestras, yet, nothing, not even feet! What about the table of notebooks she has previously laid out in her flat? Not even these.
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It would be an essential part of the publicity for these 'retreats' - showing what she's teaching, showing the delegates at work, sharing some of the issues they're discussing, tagging them in (with their permission, obvs). I smell a large, manic, mutha-bleeping rat.
 
I find the night time shot the most revealing - the ‘yes, it’s safe here’ ‘them: it’s so beautiful’ one. Why did she not take a shot from behind her delegates of them all walking together - it was dark, we would not have seen their faces. Very odd.

THAT SAID. She is on Tattle reading these posts 24/7 so don’t forget what a mindfuck she is. She’s probably expecting comments on here suggesting there is no retreat as there are no pics, so she’s deliberately not posting any. She’s playing a game — bear that in mind. She will do some big photo reveal at some point and then congratulate herself for getting one over on the Tattlers. She’s a passive aggressive mentally deranged nut who has to win at all costs.
 
I bet she’s plotting and wracking her brains on how to stage a full retreat ( she said it was sold out) today and will be getting creative. She’s in a bind because she knows with her overbearing that her silence is absolutely deafening.

also, I am embarrassed on her behalf if anyone ‘Venetian friends’ see her walking around alone when she’s told everyone she’s holding a packed out retreat that is going ‘tutto perfetto’

I think pretending they were asleep told us everything we needed to know really. People don’t pay expensive retreats and go to bed unless they’re unwell. The type of holidays you go to sleep on are villas in the august heat when you need to snooze in the hot hours, not an action packed ‘retreat’ where you’re paying for an activity…

I also wonder if she has one or two hapless sods on it. But again, until I see a packed table I think she’s just committed herself to pretending to be holding one 😂
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If it is as we suspect then it is genuinely the funniest thing she has ever done.
 
intriguedbythis said:
I bet she’s plotting and wracking her brains on how to stage a full retreat ( she said it was sold out) today and will be getting creative. She’s in a bind because she knows with her overbearing that her silence is absolutely deafening.

also, I am embarrassed on her behalf if anyone ‘Venetian friends’ see her walking around alone when she’s told everyone she’s holding a packed out retreat that is going ‘tutto perfetto’

I think pretending they were asleep told us everything we needed to know really. People don’t pay expensive retreats and go to bed unless they’re unwell. The type of holidays you go to sleep on are villas in the august heat when you need to snooze in the hot hours, not an action packed ‘retreat’ where you’re paying for an activity…

I also wonder if she has one or two hapless sods on it. But again, until I see a packed table I think she’s just committed herself to pretending to be holding one 😂
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If it is as we suspect then it is genuinely the funniest thing she has ever done.
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Well, I can't be the only one who noticed the singular guest's water boat post.

One guest correctly apostrophised, or plural guests that a writer hosting a retreat can't correctly pluralise? 🤔
 
Queenvictoria said:
I am very impressed by her creativity and dedication to this. VERY.
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Yes -if she poured all that effort into actually doing something productive......
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Wooh said:
Well, I can't be the only one who noticed the singular guest's water boat post.

One guest correctly apostrophised, or plural guests that a writer hosting a retreat can't correctly pluralise? 🤔
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And she sure crams a lot in - meet-and-greet, coffee-break, first work session and delegate 'naps' all before lunch??????
 
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