Liz Fraser #4 A Venetian pigeon stole her croissant

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Ginnyreturns said:
And the real magic happens when a client then starts suggesting and these changes themselves, and feeling that buzz. THAT is learning.

The above paragraph was written by Liz. I can see at least three errors.
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Wow, that's really really bad grammar!
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Ok, if this whole retreat thing was orchestrated via Instagram, surely some of the retreat attendees follow her on there? Why no comments, tags, shared stories ? Nothing! I'm not even convinced it happened! Her last 3 posts containing alleged testimonials have ZERO comments. That's really really embarrassing.
 
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Yes! When I have done something because of social media, whether it's going on a hiking holiday, visiting a restaurant or enjoying a gallery or book, I have always tagged them on the platform I found them on, liked and commented. It's just human nature to want to give thanks, and recognise others. I feel the need to do this more and more as I get older, even telling strangers I like their coat in the street, much to the horror of my teenagers.

So it's VERY odd they are not there.
 
Tricia Doll said:
Wow, that's really really bad grammar!
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Ok, if this whole retreat thing was orchestrated via Instagram, surely some of the retreat attendees follow her on there? Why no comments, tags, shared stories ? Nothing! I'm not even convinced it happened! Her last 3 posts containing alleged testimonials have ZERO comments. That's really really embarrassing.
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That so-called feedback doesn't read like it's written by novice writers. It reads like it has been carefully crafted and spell-checked by somebody else.
 
Those reviews. They are all very similar to each other and written in a very familiar style, aren’t they?

(Cue the next ones being written all lower case, or some equally obvious disguise. Maybe a few Venetian phrases will be flung in there for extra flamboyance.)

Also, maybe if potential Venice reviews have fewer “me, myself and I’s” in them we may be more convinced they are genuine. (That’s the main thing about LF’s writing – it’s all me, me, me. You could recognize it from space!)
 
Replyingnow said:
Strange focus for a child’s Mother’s Day card considering that Scout wasn’t on the paragliding/ stale bread and warm wine in the roadside gutter trip.

Strong vibes here that it’s another forced pic so Liz can show off her naked body.

#controlfreakvibesandheraMOTHER!
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I actually thought the Mothers Day card may have been dictated by the ex. Naughty, I know, but I am reliably informed by Mr Google that the word "Mutha" is short for "taboo word Motherxxxxer". I think we might be talking subliminal messages through the innocent medium of Mothers Day cards. The idea of the card not being as innocent as it seems has - for me - trumped the sizzling sausages of scorn in the Liz/Mike vendetta, that's for sure! (For new cleaners, the sizzling sausages of scorn relates to a post Ms Fraser made years ago during one of the many times Mike had stomped off in a huff. She photographed some sausages sizzling in a pan and triumphantly claimed that she could FINALLY EAT MEAT! Think M was going through an annoying veggie phase at the time.)

Of course, she didn't actually SAY that the ne'er-do-well had done one (yet again), this was what we had to work out through the medium of the sausage post. Which of course we did, because we are clever cleaners.

I giggled like a loon about the sausages, and am still slightly obsessed by that post!

But Mutha's Day might come a close second! 😂 🤣
 
ORhineORhine said:
I actually thought the Mothers Day card may have been dictated by the ex. Naughty, I know, but I am reliably informed by Mr Google that the word "Mutha" is short for "taboo word Motherxxxxer". I think we might be talking subliminal messages through the innocent medium of Mothers Day cards. The idea of the card not being as innocent as it seems has - for me - trumped the sizzling sausages of scorn in the Liz/Mike vendetta, that's for sure! (For new cleaners, the sizzling sausages of scorn relates to a post Ms Fraser made years ago during one of the many times Mike had stomped off in a huff. She photographed some sausages sizzling in a pan and triumphantly claimed that she could FINALLY EAT MEAT! Think M was going through an annoying veggie phase at the time.)

Of course, she didn't actually SAY that the ne'er-do-well had done one (yet again), this was what we had to work out through the medium of the sausage post. Which of course we did, because we are clever cleaners.

I giggled like a loon about the sausages, and am still slightly obsessed by that post!

But Mutha's Day might come a close second! 😂 🤣
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That one post you just wrote is far better and more entertaining than anything I've seen of hers! You should head off to Venice pronto and start telling people to 'write YOU. Be YOU' etc. Even those phrases, her mantras, are grammatically incorrect! How can you 'write you?' Something like 'write from your heart' or 'write your truth' would possibly make more sense. Sorry. Pedantic author alert.
 
Ginnyreturns said:
And the real magic happens when a client then starts suggesting and these changes themselves, and feeling that buzz. THAT is learning.

The above paragraph was written by Liz. I can see at least three errors.
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Oh I laughed. Copy editing for over 20 years, seemingly everything but her own posts!
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burgundybrin said:
The testimonials are more damaging than no testimonials at all, because they have no names, no tags, no replies.
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I’m also intrigued by the urgency to post a review. Did she block the door until she’s approved a review? They didn’t have time to get home before posting 🧐
 
It is interesting to note from these ‘testimonials’ that Ms Fraser had obviously done much research into ‘how the publishing industry works’ and what is ‘required of an author these days’ to be able to pass this valuable information on to her delegates. I’m glad to see she is bringing value to her courses, and putting in the groundwork and familiarising herself on these things before hosting them. I look forward to reading of her delegates’ publishing successes - and her being thanked - in The Bookseller.
 
I think her retreats/tutoring/courses are all just a big PLOY to beef herself up to make her LOOK like a respectable person for her next victim boyfriend.
In reality who would want a woman with her reputation and she is well aware of this. She also now needs to earn money for the good life of travelling to impress someone.
All she is doing is taking a list of all the negative stuff mentioned here and then posting stuff against it- she doesn't realize that we can see through all her actions.
She is a scam artist, in her case her need is attention and money. The only thing that really incites her is men and sex!!
Its what people do when they are single and desperate - they beef them self up for what they have and what they can give you.
In her case it would be sound business ideas - NOT!!
If you were to have ANYTHING to do with her you would end up in the jail!!
As we have seen she is not shy to beg from her followers - and now she is doing it by providing a service.
All she has to do is do it for a short while and post about it online - it's just a plot to make her look good.
Everything about the tutoring looks fake.
I think her cleaners should consider how to up the publicity of her lies as it's now getting back to the fraud of vulnerable people level again and operating without the necessary requirements.
 
Queenvictoria said:
It is interesting to note from these ‘testimonials’ that Ms Fraser had obviously done much research into ‘how the publishing industry works’ and what is ‘required of an author these days’ to be able to pass this valuable information on to her delegates. I’m glad to see she is bringing value to her courses, and putting in the groundwork and familiarising herself on these things before hosting them. I look forward to reading of her delegates’ publishing successes - and her being thanked - in The Bookseller.
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I've been thinking about this and the way in which she constantly bigs herself up. She did once publish quite a lot - books, journalism etc - so she had some idea of how the industry worked, yes. But that was some years ago. The industry has changed beyond recognition now - not helped by the arrival of AI - and trying to get an agent or publisher now is totally different to how it was when she got started. In short, and I'm not trying to be offensive at all by saying this btw - the publishing industry now does not really want the middle-aged, middle-class white writers of yesteryear. It's just a fact, and I have suffered from this too as I'm a similar age to Liz and had most of my success at a similar time. Things are WAY different now - authors are expected to be either very young, very diverse, or both, or have had some extraordinary life-story which they're writing about, or actually be living the same thing they're writing about, etc etc. It's really hard to resurrect what you had say 15-20 years ago and I think that it's a mistake to even try. In my own case I'm relaunching under a pseudonym when I write the next one, because even with a 'name', publishers are not interested when they find out how old you are and that you've been around the block. Depressing, but true!
 
Ginnyreturns said:
I've been thinking about this and the way in which she constantly bigs herself up. She did once publish quite a lot - books, journalism etc - so she had some idea of how the industry worked, yes. But that was some years ago. The industry has changed beyond recognition now - not helped by the arrival of AI - and trying to get an agent or publisher now is totally different to how it was when she got started. In short, and I'm not trying to be offensive at all by saying this btw - the publishing industry now does not really want the middle-aged, middle-class white writers of yesteryear. It's just a fact, and I have suffered from this too as I'm a similar age to Liz and had most of my success at a similar time. Things are WAY different now - authors are expected to be either very young, very diverse, or both, or have had some extraordinary life-story which they're writing about, or actually be living the same thing they're writing about, etc etc. It's really hard to resurrect what you had say 15-20 years ago and I think that it's a mistake to even try. In my own case I'm relaunching under a pseudonym when I write the next one, because even with a 'name', publishers are not interested when they find out how old you are and that you've been around the block. Depressing, but true!
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Liz is of course very youthful though, which I am sure helps enormously. Someone in arrested development and perhaps stuck in what they believe was their ‘heyday’ of the late 90s/early 2000s might be considered a ‘has been’ and without much to offer…
 
Ginnyreturns said:
I've been thinking about this and the way in which she constantly bigs herself up. She did once publish quite a lot - books, journalism etc - so she had some idea of how the industry worked, yes. But that was some years ago. The industry has changed beyond recognition now - not helped by the arrival of AI - and trying to get an agent or publisher now is totally different to how it was when she got started. In short, and I'm not trying to be offensive at all by saying this btw - the publishing industry now does not really want the middle-aged, middle-class white writers of yesteryear. It's just a fact, and I have suffered from this too as I'm a similar age to Liz and had most of my success at a similar time. Things are WAY different now - authors are expected to be either very young, very diverse, or both, or have had some extraordinary life-story which they're writing about, or actually be living the same thing they're writing about, etc etc. It's really hard to resurrect what you had say 15-20 years ago and I think that it's a mistake to even try. In my own case I'm relaunching under a pseudonym when I write the next one, because even with a 'name', publishers are not interested when they find out how old you are and that you've been around the block. Depressing, but true!
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See also strong 'social media engagement'. It's essential in so many industries now, and well, Liz's is atrocious. Looking at people like Bryony Gordon, Fern Cotton, Helen Thorn, Giovanna Fletcher et al, even if they're not your cup of tea it's undeniable that they understand that social media is paramount to success nowadays. Helen Thorn in particular has done a great job incorporating her parenting, running etc into an online presence without dragging her ex constantly. Remember all the crying posts Liz did? Really did herself no favours putting that crap online.
 
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