Liz Fraser #4 A Venetian pigeon stole her croissant

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Queenvictoria said:
Liz is of course very youthful though, which I am sure helps enormously. Someone in arrested development and perhaps stuck in what they believe was their ‘heyday’ of the late 90s/early 2000s might be considered a ‘has been’ and without much to offer…
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Yeah. I'm very youthful too, in my own warped assessment of myself which goes on perfectly OK until I pass a full-length mirror.
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Tricia Doll said:
See also strong 'social media engagement'. It's essential in so many industries now, and well, Liz's is atrocious.
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Yes - it's frequent, but frequently dreadful.
 
Ginnyreturns said:
I've been thinking about this and the way in which she constantly bigs herself up. She did once publish quite a lot - books, journalism etc - so she had some idea of how the industry worked, yes. But that was some years ago. The industry has changed beyond recognition now - not helped by the arrival of AI - and trying to get an agent or publisher now is totally different to how it was when she got started. In short, and I'm not trying to be offensive at all by saying this btw - the publishing industry now does not really want the middle-aged, middle-class white writers of yesteryear. It's just a fact, and I have suffered from this too as I'm a similar age to Liz and had most of my success at a similar time. Things are WAY different now - authors are expected to be either very young, very diverse, or both, or have had some extraordinary life-story which they're writing about, or actually be living the same thing they're writing about, etc etc. It's really hard to resurrect what you had say 15-20 years ago and I think that it's a mistake to even try. In my own case I'm relaunching under a pseudonym when I write the next one, because even with a 'name', publishers are not interested when they find out how old you are and that you've been around the block. Depressing, but true!
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That is indeed very depressing!
 
ChiaraRimini said:
That is indeed very depressing!
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It is - I had somebody query my ability to write a novel about the Holocaust because I 'wasn't there so how did I know what it was like?' - but it's still possible for brilliant writing to find a home. I think that authors just have to be prepared to re-invent themselves to fit this new world, rather than try and cryogenically freeze themselves in time c1990 and hope nobody notices (they will).
 
Ginnyreturns said:
It is - I had somebody query my ability to write a novel about the Holocaust because I 'wasn't there so how did I know what it was like?' - but it's still possible for brilliant writing to find a home. I think that authors just have to be prepared to re-invent themselves to fit this new world, rather than try and cryogenically freeze themselves in time c1990 and hope nobody notices (they will).
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To be fair, in the wake of John Boyne, that is not an unreasonable question to raise
Eta: I have about 50,000 more words to say on this but it would definitely be off-topic!
 
VielleFemme said:
To be fair, in the wake of John Boyne, that is not an unreasonable question to raise
Eta: I have about 50,000 more words to say on this but it would definitely be off-topic!
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Well, Boyne's novel was very much a work of fiction. Powerful, nonetheless. My own were far more fact-based as I wanted to get it right out of respect to the victims. HOWEVER as you say, off-topic, if fascinating!
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Raindropsonkittens said:
Wow. Latest post sounds like a threat. She can’t let tit go & move on, can she?
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I've not seen this yet due to only viewing anon. Anything you can share?
 
Is she peering out of a jail cell? This made me hoot

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That silly fake-excited skipping in the latest ‘face-to-camera’.I think she likes to try and titillate the men with this sort of Pollyanna optimism. ‘Awwww, I’m cute, despite so much adversity’.

However, she seems to overlook that the often evoked (💤) years where ‘everything went wrong’ were a direct result of her destroying her own family and someone else’s marriage (among others) 🤷‍♀️. Poor blameless Liz, rewriting history.
 
No makeup? Please! Take a good look, I think that’s another classic lie. Hasn’t she said “no make up” so many times before? 😂 also how does she take these photos? She must have arms 6 feet long. Does anyone else think these eye closed photos are weird. And of course meant for the super fans? iynyn and here we go. The same old same old and one more - same old Venice posts about ALL the same complaints and then all the happy and FREE! Plus the “home” bit. I’d find it utterly ridiculous to claim home when in actuality it’s an Airbnb - hope she’s paying taxes on the income! - that she goes to now and again. I don’t think most people rent out their home for the better part of the year!
 
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Ginnyreturns said:
Oh, that's the 'I've written the outline of my next bestseller' shot. Which is another thing that separates her from real writers. We don't have that sort of ego!
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Every time she flies she writes the start of a book that…. Never progresses!
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Bridgeofsighs said:
Is she still with the alcoholic then?
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It her dreams! He left her and got several years has lived with a wonderful woman with her two children and most of the time, Scout. Liz has minimal contact with their daughter now, a court decision.
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Tricia Doll said:
Nope. She's actually so unhinged I think I'd be a bit frightened of her. She's mental.
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I’m sure Mike snd Harry are scared of her or more, what she might do to impact their children snd so don’t stand up to her publicly. Just imagine what she threatens offline.
 
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At new year, her closest friends told her to run the writing retreats 🤥. She spent new year alone in Venice. Not long after Yellow Trotters dumped her. She’s hardly been in Oxford since, but when she has been, there has been no sign of visitors to her house. So, are we to assume these are virtual friends of those who live inside her mad, chaotic head?
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CambridgeBun said:
Every time she flies she writes the start of a book that…. Never progresses!
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It her dreams! He left her and got several years has lived with a wonderful woman with her two children and most of the time, Scout. Liz has minimal contact with their daughter now, a court decision.
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I’m sure Mike snd Harry are scared of her or more, what she might do to impact their children snd so don’t stand up to her publicly. Just imagine what she threatens offline.
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I suspect you’re right.
 
Was she implying she will write a new book essentially about Mike you think?

literally both of her married lovers ended up in really dire straits - career destruction, public humiliation, public huge fights, name calling, destruction of self, ruined finances, bitter court cases, police called, social services called

I will give it to Liz, she may be a grifter, but when she wants to revenge someone she really puts in her all.
 
intriguedbythis said:
Was she implying she will write a new book essentially about Mike you think?

literally both of her married lovers ended up in really dire straits - career destruction, public humiliation, public huge fights, name calling, destruction of self, ruined finances, bitter court cases, police called, social services called

I will give it to Liz, she may be a grifter, but when she wants to revenge someone she really puts in her all.
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That's Liz. (A MUTHA.)
 
intriguedbythis said:
Was she implying she will write a new book essentially about Mike you think?

literally both of her married lovers ended up in really dire straits - career destruction, public humiliation, public huge fights, name calling, destruction of self, ruined finances, bitter court cases, police called, social services called

I will give it to Liz, she may be a grifter, but when she wants to revenge someone she really puts in her all.
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She’d not be all alone, sharing her every moment with strangers if only she’d invested this much effort in her relationships with herself, men, her partners, children, family and friends.

Maybe her new book will rip apart her “disloyal” older children. Thus far, she’s not sunk this low. Thus far.
 
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