Jenny Apple

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Wow! They actually sat outside on a bench, in the beautiful weather, and filmed for a little while. This was a fresh change of venue from their routine car chats. (Had they read my earlier comment about that?!) Kyle was developing a baseball analogy to the day's medical events, and thus added cheer to Jenny's schedule. Kyle is also Jenny's personal cheerleader!
 
No matter what she's going through she still manages to put on the pink goopy lipstick!
 

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No matter what she's going through she still manages to put on the pink goopy lipstick!

For the camera maybe? People in the comments are always saying how beautiful she looks no matter what kind of pain she’s in. I always think “I doubt she cares about how she looks right now”. Maybe she does though. I’d stopped noticing the goopy pink lip gloss I guess.
 
For the camera maybe? People in the comments are always saying how beautiful she looks no matter what kind of pain she’s in. I always think “I doubt she cares about how she looks right now”. Maybe she does though. I’d stopped noticing the goopy pink lip gloss I guess.
It reminds me of women in films when they wake up and their make up and hair is perfect.
When she has supposedly been asleep and/or in pain her lipstick (salve) is always in place which makes it all seem staged.
 
It reminds me of women in films when they wake up and their make up and hair is perfect.
When she has supposedly been asleep and/or in pain her lipstick (salve) is always in place which makes it all staged.

People don't wear lipsalve to look good they wear it because they have dry lips, and it will last a good few hours between applications. So what, are you seriously suggesting a cancer patient with dry lips should not use lipsalve because it looks like they are faking? Get a grip.
 
I think this video is def the worst that I have seen Kyle & Jenny put out.
At this stage I am not sure I would want a spouse to go through more treatment which may help, but likely won't.
Jenny is either highly medicated or declining quickly. Seeing her laid on the couch towards the end of the video? The amount of times she says "i'm tired", she literally cant do anything for herself anymore :(
We learnt that Jenny went for an eye test and managed to have some scans & tests.
I don't think Jenny will be with us very long.
As much as I have followed Jenny for such a long time, I now feel its time for me to stop watching. I feel like I am seeing things which I don't think should be made public.
 
I think this video is def the worst that I have seen Kyle & Jenny put out.
At this stage I am not sure I would want a spouse to go through more treatment which may help, but likely won't.
Jenny is either highly medicated or declining quickly. Seeing her laid on the couch towards the end of the video? The amount of times she says "i'm tired", she literally cant do anything for herself anymore :(
We learnt that Jenny went for an eye test and managed to have some scans & tests.
I don't think Jenny will be with us very long.
As much as I have followed Jenny for such a long time, I now feel its time for me to stop watching. I feel like I am seeing things which I don't think should be made public.
Amazingly Sarah POG Family acts less ill than Jenny and they gave her a month to live without treatment.

I hope the clinical trial is a miracle for Jenny but I agree her quality of life just seems so poor right now but maybe we are just seeing the effects of so much pain and anxiety meds.
 
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I watched bits and bobs of some of the early treatment videos. Sadly this was a pattern from the very beginning, she would get sick the night BEFORE chemo, and nauseous the day of chemo even before the drugs were administered. Her team would have been able to help alleviate the extreme anxiety, she mentioned Ativan but obviously, she wasnt taking it as prescribed.
In today's video she was FINALLY able to tolerate the scans ... and that's because she's FINALLY taken the correct dosage and mix of pain and anxiety meds which is good to hear. And yes the timeline is off, I thought the scans were scheduled for the Friday before Winnie's bday on the 4th. But the balloon is still floating in the back of the car so ....
I do agree that Jenny appears to report symptom after symptom which must make it hard for oncologists who are hoping to offer treatment/extend life, while maintaining QUALITY of life.
I know many see Jenny as making a big deal out of tests, scans, and treatment and that her anxiety is extremely off the scale. I agree to some degree, but I understand her :( Jenny is in treatment groups where fellow members are plodding along fine one day, and the next their relatives/friends are posting to say they have passed away. It's scary for fellow patients, especially when they make bonds with patients in the same situation :(
Additionally, scan results are scary for most patients, even patients that are NED.
With Jenny basically being a palliative treatment patient (none of the treatments have curative intent), scans can be petrifying experiences.
I know of a young woman under Addenbrookes Hospital UK. She was unfortunately diagnosed with stage 4 RCC (Kidney cancer) with sarcomatoid differentiation (SRCC). Scans and results would petrify her so much that she couldn't attend face-to-face clinic! She attended when she was diagnosed face to face and completely mentally broke down. After that she went for CT scans but would always receive results via Zoom in the comfort of her own home. She managed scans and bloodwork at the hospital, but all TKI treatment was delivered by Boots to her home and all consultations took place by zoom. Fear paralyzed her throughout her journey :( And her RCC consultant Dr Kate Fife told her that she was not alone.
Jenny has previously had therapy which doesn't appear to have made any difference. I feel very sorry for Jenny. She see's her 2 babies daily and goes to sleep not knowing when they will become motherless. It's terrible.
 
I think this video is def the worst that I have seen Kyle & Jenny put out.
At this stage I am not sure I would want a spouse to go through more treatment which may help, but likely won't.
Jenny is either highly medicated or declining quickly. Seeing her laid on the couch towards the end of the video? The amount of times she says "i'm tired", she literally cant do anything for herself anymore :(
We learnt that Jenny went for an eye test and managed to have some scans & tests.
I don't think Jenny will be with us very long.
As much as I have followed Jenny for such a long time, I now feel its time for me to stop watching. I feel like I am seeing things which I don't think should be made public.
I was taken aback on how long Kyle taped Jenny laying on the couch eyes shut and in discomfort. There was no need for that. That certainly was not for their children to see. 😞
 
Amazingly Sarah POG Family acts less ill than Jenny and they gave her a month to live without treatment.

I hope the clinical trial is a miracle for Jenny but I agree her quality of life just seems so poor right now but maybe we are just seeing the effects of so much pain and anxiety meds.
It really isn't amazing though is it?
We have to remember that all cancers act different?
Sarah has been very lucky to have a great response to high dose steroids and whole brain radiation. I haven't closely followed the POG family channel but the impression I get is that Sarah's only really been affected by her disease recently? Forgive me if I am wrong.
Jenny's got brain mets but they haven't ever affected her.
Jennys main problem is the fluid and its always been the problem for her. When it spread to the pleural lung lining its caused nothing but problems for her :( She experienced nerve damage after her first draining, and thats clearly evident now with them having to use 'clot bluster' to break up the loculated tissue.

I hope for a miracle also, of course I do, but I can't see it happening. Trial treatments are still palliative treatments. Trial treatment may stabilise disease for a few months/couple of years. Stable wouldn't benefit Jenny because she would remain as she is current day. Laid on a coach, having to sleep in crazy positions, feeling tired etc.
Trial treatment may not work at all and disease could spread fast.
Or trial treatment may shrink and dry up Jennys fluid. Its such a gamble.
If I was Kyle I wouldn't be looking at trials. I would ask if there any approved treatments for Jennys mutation (even if that meant paying privately for them and raising the money). Proven treatments could be better.
 
I do agree that Jenny appears to report symptom after symptom which must make it hard for oncologists who are hoping to offer treatment/extend life, while maintaining QUALITY of life.
I know many see Jenny as making a big deal out of tests, scans, and treatment and that her anxiety is extremely off the scale. I agree to some degree, but I understand her :( Jenny is in treatment groups where fellow members are plodding along fine one day, and the next their relatives/friends are posting to say they have passed away. It's scary for fellow patients, especially when they make bonds with patients in the same situation :(
Additionally, scan results are scary for most patients, even patients that are NED.
With Jenny basically being a palliative treatment patient (none of the treatments have curative intent), scans can be petrifying experiences.
I know of a young woman under Addenbrookes Hospital UK. She was unfortunately diagnosed with stage 4 RCC (Kidney cancer) with sarcomatoid differentiation (SRCC). Scans and results would petrify her so much that she couldn't attend face-to-face clinic! She attended when she was diagnosed face to face and completely mentally broke down. After that she went for CT scans but would always receive results via Zoom in the comfort of her own home. She managed scans and bloodwork at the hospital, but all TKI treatment was delivered by Boots to her home and all consultations took place by zoom. Fear paralyzed her throughout her journey :( And her RCC consultant Dr Kate Fife told her that she was not alone.
Jenny has previously had therapy which doesn't appear to have made any difference. I feel very sorry for Jenny. She see's her 2 babies daily and goes to sleep not knowing when they will become motherless. It's terrible.
I have scanxiety every 3 mos when I have my CT for my colon cancer and even after 7 years after my breast cancer diagnosis I still am worried about mammograms.

I don't have the real life Stage 4 experience to understand the actual debilitating anxiety Jenny has shown in the past but it seems to have resolved with this batch of tests. That makes me think she just needed to be properly medicated and since her "team" watches the video I wonder why it took so long to get her properly medicated.
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It really isn't amazing though is it?
We have to remember that all cancers act different?
Sarah has been very lucky to have a great response to high dose steroids and whole brain radiation. I haven't closely followed the POG family channel but the impression I get is that Sarah's only really been affected by her disease recently? Forgive me if I am wrong.
Jenny's got brain mets but they haven't ever affected her.
Jennys main problem is the fluid and its always been the problem for her. When it spread to the pleural lung lining its caused nothing but problems for her :( She experienced nerve damage after her first draining, and thats clearly evident now with them having to use 'clot bluster' to break up the loculated tissue.

I hope for a miracle also, of course I do, but I can't see it happening. Trial treatments are still palliative treatments. Trial treatment may stabilise disease for a few months/couple of years. Stable wouldn't benefit Jenny because she would remain as she is current day. Laid on a coach, having to sleep in crazy positions, feeling tired etc.
Trial treatment may not work at all and disease could spread fast.
Or trial treatment may shrink and dry up Jennys fluid. Its such a gamble.
If I was Kyle I wouldn't be looking at trials. I would ask if there any approved treatments for Jennys mutation (even if that meant paying privately for them and raising the money). Proven treatments could be better.
Wouldn't CoH know if there are any proven treatments even if private?

I think Sarah has been in pain and medicated for multiple bone mets for quite awhile. She just seems so much less fragile than Jenny even from the beginning.

Jenny seems to in so much less pain now that she's got The Drainer.
 
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I was taken aback on how long Kyle taped Jenny laying on the couch eyes shut and in discomfort. There was no need for that. That certainly was not for their children to see. 😞
Me too. I'd say well yes its def not for her children to see, but the fact is that her children already see Jenny like this because they live with her :(
Kyle will be looking for filler content to bulk out a video and to keep their channel going.
She just looks far too weak now to withstand treatment. The last treatment really has taken its toll on Jenny hasn't it :(
I look at Jenny in the mums day video (taken between infusions 1 & 2) and jenny current day. Such a decline.
 

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Amazingly Sarah POG Family acts less ill than Jenny and they gave her a month to live without treatment.

I hope the clinical trial is a miracle for Jenny but I agree her quality of life just seems so poor right now but maybe we are just seeing the effects of so much pain and anxiety meds.
Pain tolerance is unique to each individual. I don’t feel you should judge one vs the other without knowing the details of each situation imo.

Sarah has always been very proactive and taken control of her pain management. Jenny has not done so. Jenny possibly could be overmedicated which would be sad because she misses out on living.
 
I think one reason she looks so bad lying down and also talking at the end is that Kyle had just done his drainer duties.

And I would never judge someone based on their pain tolerance I was just making an observation. I have a high pain tolerance but that doesn't make me superior to Jenny or someone with a lower tolerance but then I don't put myself out there for thousands of people to view either.
 
I have scanxiety every 3 mos when I have my CT for my colon cancer and even after 7 years after my breast cancer diagnosis I still am worried about mammograms.

I don't have the real life Stage 4 experience to understand the actual debilitating anxiety Jenny has shown in the past but it seems to have resolved with this batch of tests. That makes me think she just needed to be properly medicated and since her "team" watches the video I wonder why it took so long to get her properly medicated.
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Wouldn't CoH know if there are any proven treatments even if private?

I think Sarah has been in pain and medicated for multiple bone mets for quite awhile. She just seems so much less fragile than Jenny even from the beginning.
So sorry that you go through the quarterly scan anxiety :(
Do you think CoH will search all US trial databases?
My experience of the UK is not all oncologists search all databases. I mentioned a trial for my husband to an oncologist and he shrugged his shoulders and said he had no knowledge of it, but would refer us to the trust carrying out the trial if we wanted that. Suffice to say we quickly moved hospitals.
It amazes me that any of Jennys team watch her videos. I don't disbelieve it, but do find it odd that any of them would watch their patients videos in their private time!
 
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