Jack Monroe #588 Slop making sense

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MistyWindows said:
Need someone more forensic than me (not hard tbf lol) to confirm but didn’t someone (maybe SB’s dad’s ex) say she changed SB’s surname without his father’s consent? So to Monroe, so it’s a big deal to change both surnames again surely?
Not trying to 🍉 her poor son and I’m trying to tiptoe around it, something I must say she has NEVER done 🙃 but if the above is the case then it’s a full on rebrand.
OR she lied on legal forms, more likely I think!
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It was his dad himself but again, either that’s untrue or his dad hasn’t bothered to get parental rights as if he had them, she absolutely could not have changed SB’s name without his consent.
streby said:
And it's just a bit weird and creepy to be in conversation with someone and keep calling them by a name they don't go by any more, like "ha! I know who you REALLY are!" Perhaps not too distant from when Jack herself uses someone's first name in a tweet in a vaguely threatening way (she can find you in REAL LIFE!) but I'm not keen on it from anyone personally and it does very much play into her hands as being weird, creepy, and at least sometimes transphobic in intent, which makes any criticism easy for squigs to shrug off as just attacks by those terrible transphobic Tory trolls she's always complaining about.
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It is weird and also probably highly confusing to the casual squig who would have no idea it’s her former name. It’s like someone jumping into a conversation about Cliff Richard wanging on about Harry, most of the people reading are gonna be like “WTF is this oddball on about?”
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
I actually think the weirder thing about the photo is how much the baby looks like SB.

Jack isn’t that distinctive much she wishes she was (red mop at KH trial aside) but SB has very unusual features and they were v distinctive early on.

Which is part of why I think his dad is a tit dad for letting him be exposed that much (if he has parental rights, he’d have had to consent to every single photoshoot Jack did or they’d have been removed ASAP when he’d gone “excuse me??” So either he agreed which is tit or he doesn’t have parental rights which is even shitter). A lot of young toddlers/kids look very similar and grow up to look different - SB in the latest pics is still as distinctive and still very obviously that little boy.
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She changed SB’s surname and he went nuts when he found out, which suggests she didn’t need his permission.
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Marmalade Atkins said:
Dec 7th 2020. And filtered to duck.
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Yes what’s notable about this is the Mel Donte photoshoot approx a week later where she looks a) not like this and b) like her most recent career has been boxing, where she took a lot of hits to the nose
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CabalofBolorneaise said:
ETA: whether or not Jack is trans, the Melissa likely comes to carpman from Pokesquig who has posted a whole load of transphobic guff (including a lot of deleted stuff but there’s enough on his twitter now still to evidence his feelings) so I absolutely feel like Melissa is being used as a deadname and therefore it’s wrong. If he wants to call her something mocking then Vlad knows we’ve had enough nicknames for her over here as have people on the hellsite that don’t have transphobic vibes.
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Pokesquig being transphobic doesn't mean that Carp Man is also transphobic. I seriously doubt that Carp Man is being fed information by Pokesquiq. Anyone who does the bare minimum of research can easily find out what guest's birth name is, and from his posts I'd guess that Carp Man has done a fair bit of research into guest's history on his own.
 
ThePickledCrab said:
There is only one person I hate enough to deadname (they aren't trans, so I tell myself it's ok) and that is Gideon bleeping Osborne.
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Confusion.
I thought for a minute one of Ozzy's kids was up to larks, but google tells me it's Mr GGOOsborne's (honk) xitter? Though I don't have it so can't check if that's real or spoof. Which isn't really deadnaming as both are his actual birth names.
 
HotesTilaire said:
She changed SB’s surname and he went nuts when he found out, which suggests she didn’t need his permission.
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Yes what’s notable about this is the Mel Donte photoshoot approx a week later where she looks a) not like this and b) like her most recent career has been boxing, where she took a lot of hits to the nose
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Then he doesn’t have parental rights so it’s as much on him as it is on her. The bare minimum of Dadding is making sure you have rights so you can protect your kid if needed. Especially after she’s changed his name without your consent, that would be a wake up call to anyone who gave a duck.
 
I feel Jack has gone by different names both officially and unofficially. I'm not that keen on the deadnaming, but actually I feel it points to a bigger issue. A name change can be born from a positive desire to move on, or it can be a negative - associated with an attempt to cover things up or deceive. I think sometimes people wave the old name around because it removes the power from the second kind of choice, but is quite unfortunate for the first.
 
I know it's not the same as deadnaming, my mum changed my Christian name when she divorced my dad. It caused all kinds of confusion within the family and I sometimes got letters from an Aunt addressed to me using my former name.
I definitely didn't like it then and still don't like it now when people bring up my former name even as a joke.
Even though, IMO, Jack was never trans I have to side with her on the former name thing, I know she's an hole but it's one thing that does set my teeth on edge.
 
hoopdedoo said:
Pokesquig being transphobic doesn't mean that Carp Man is also transphobic. I seriously doubt that Carp Man is being fed information by Pokesquiq. Anyone who does the bare minimum of research can easily find out what guest's birth name is, and from his posts I'd guess that Carp Man has done a fair bit of research into guest's history on his own.
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I think he clearly got a lot from Pokesquig when they had their dalliance and Pokesquig has referred to her as Melissa previously so if it wasn’t via him then it’s an odd coincidence.

I didn’t say Carpman was transphobic either, merely that he has kept transphobic company and the use of her former name has transphobic vibes generally but especially in that context - and as I also said, plenty of other names for her he could choose from that don’t have that vibe so choosing one with transphobic vibes is implicit acceptance people may highlight that.
 
Not saying this as a criticism of any fraus here, but it's unfortunate that guest's name change is kind of tangled up with her grifty lying attention-seeking ways. I completely agree that there are legitimate reasons for changing a name (having done it myself) and for a name change being part of moving on in life. But in guest's case the name change also gave her another opportunity to assume yet another identity that she could weaponize against criticism: e.g. you don't like what I say about poverty, well that's because you hate trans people.

I don't agree with using guest's former name, because it's kind of pointless, but I do recognize that the name change could be seen as part of her general pattern of shiftiness and deception.
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CabalofBolorneaise said:
I think he clearly got a lot from Pokesquig when they had their dalliance and Pokesquig has referred to her as Melissa previously so if it wasn’t via him then it’s an odd coincidence.
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Seriously? Her birth name is in the shattenstone profile, which is one of the first links that come up on a Google search of her name. It's not an odd coincidence at all. IMO Carp Man is more than capable of finding information about guest without Pokesquig's help.
 
hoopdedoo said:
Not saying this as a criticism of any fraus here, but it's unfortunate that guest's name change is kind of tangled up with her grifty lying attention-seeking ways. I completely agree that there are legitimate reasons for changing a name (having done it myself) and for a name change being part of moving on in life. But in guest's case the name change also gave her another opportunity to assume yet another identity that she could weaponize against criticism: e.g. you don't like what I say about poverty, well that's because you hate trans people.

I don't agree with using guest's former name, because it's kind of pointless, but I do recognize that the name change could be seen as part of her general pattern of shiftiness and deception.
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Yeah but she is a kind-of public figure, it’s very easy to find all her names she hasn’t exactly covered them up like a cat kicking litter over it’s poo
 
hoopdedoo said:
Not saying this as a criticism of any fraus here, but it's unfortunate that guest's name change is kind of tangled up with her grifty lying attention-seeking ways. I completely agree that there are legitimate reasons for changing a name (having done it myself) and for a name change being part of moving on in life. But in guest's case the name change also gave her another opportunity to assume yet another identity that she could weaponize against criticism: e.g. you don't like what I say about poverty, well that's because you hate trans people.

I don't agree with using guest's former name, because it's kind of pointless, but I do recognize that the name change could be seen as part of her general pattern of shiftiness and deception.
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Seriously? Her birth name is in the shattenstone profile, which is one of the first links that come up on a Google search of her name. It's not an odd coincidence at all. IMO Carp Man is more than capable of finding information about guest without Pokesquig's help.
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It’s not odd he found it, it’s odd that he’d choose to randomly start using it given it’s not her name now or something that most people would think to refer to her as. Calling her grifter would make sense or cack or slopgoblin, there’s an obvious motivation there but to use her old name? Odd.
 
When I was at college, there was a girl whose name was.... let's call her...Moonchild Raven....this was the 80s when changing your name wasn't that common. I thought it was so cool.

I was waiting outside the principal's office with her, and he called her in, going..."Smith? Jane Smith?". (Not that name...but... y'know)

And the thing was...she really looked like a Jane Smith. She had obviously changed her name but her personality was taking a wee while to catch up.
 
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