Jack Monroe #578 She’s been involved in more breakdowns than the RAC

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Seaford Haggington said:
Foul. Did we every get an explanation why aurora borealis appeared in the corner of the room in one of the pics?
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rage naan said:
yes absolutely. I have been putting things in my cart and then leaving the site. It makes me feel sort of secure that they're in the cart so I haven't "lost" them.inevitably next time I open the cart I'm like "what the hell is that, eww" and can happily remove it. It's really incredible how much the spur of the moment I need that thing feeling is just a fleeting thing, and even a day or two will make it go away.

Or conversely if you do still want to buy it then you know it's a considered purchase.
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I do this.

My amazon basket contains about a grand's worth of rubbish! I'm terrified of placing the order by accident.
 
Carefree said:
To this day, I will never understand how people are meant to look when they're going through a bout of depression, regardless of how low or high a level it is.

bleeping hell, some of us even manage to paint our faces on and go to work!
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"Masked depression" is very much a Thing.

It's the depression that results in someone unaliving themselves, and all of their friends and relatives saying "We can't believe it! I saw him/her only an hour before they were found and s/he were really looking forward to the bar of chocolate s/he were planning to eat while they were watching Coronation Street. S/he was cracking jokes about some of the characters. S/he was always so cheerful, and helped others - would do anything for anyone - always had a smile on his/her face" etc

It is much more serious than many depressive incidents where outsiders can spot that there is a risk.
 
HotesTilaire said:
Brown is too much of an intellectual, he’s one of very few people who is far too clever to be a PM, the political office actually held him back IMO. Despite being very personable, he played badly in the media. Mind, remember the press were happily taking the piss out of him, until the US banks collapsed and the global recession hit, then everyone was like “ oh GB, you know about economics and stuff, maybe you’re not a massive figure of fun after all 🙄
Cant wait for a new labour government, gonna start counting the hours and days until Jack e al start accusing Starmer of getting Labour wrong.

bleeping fuckery 🥕
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I've got a real soft spot for Gordon Brown; is autobiography is a great read. I felt heartbroken for him and his wife when the press were hounding them after the death of their daughter.
 
Seaford Haggington said:
She posted a load of tweets. They auto-deleted. Then she posted them again from her backup copy in her Notes app. Then they auto-deleted again. These are not the actions of someone in touch with reality.
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She never has been. I know she’s a bleep and has had every opportunity to help herself etc but I don’t believe she’s simply a scheming narc - she actively harms herself sometimes through her actions and they’re not what anyone sane, including a narc, would do. A pure narc with nothing else going on would never sabotage themselves in that way.

It’s why I think sometimes she’s not lying in the traditional sense. Yes she does that a lot too, but the times saying something she truly believes even if it’s delusional then is it really lying? Lying to me requires someone to know something isn’t true - eg a 4 year old saying Santa bought them their bike isn’t lying just because their parent actually bought it as the child really believes Santa did.
 
TheMiceInTheShed said:
"Masked depression" is very much a Thing.

It's the depression that results in someone unaliving themselves, and all of their friends and relatives saying "We can't believe it! I saw him/her only an hour before they were found and s/he were really looking forward to the bar of chocolate s/he were planning to eat while they were watching Coronation Street. S/he was cracking jokes about some of the characters. S/he was always so cheerful, and helped others - would do anything for anyone - always had a smile on his/her face" etc

It is much more serious than many depressive incidents where outsiders can spot that there is a risk.
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I used to describe myself as the comedy and tragedy theatre masks when I was recovering from my last really bad bit. No one would have known, but the minute I was alone my face was pure 😩
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
She never has been. I know she’s a bleep and has had every opportunity to help herself etc but I don’t believe she’s simply a scheming narc - she actively harms herself sometimes through her actions and they’re not what anyone sane, including a narc, would do. A pure narc with nothing else going on would never sabotage themselves in that way.

It’s why I think sometimes she’s not lying in the traditional sense. Yes she does that a lot too, but the times saying something she truly believes even if it’s delusional then is it really lying? Lying to me requires someone to know something isn’t true - eg a 4 year old saying Santa bought them their bike isn’t lying just because their parent actually bought it as the child really believes Santa did.
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This would also explain why she doubles down when caught out.
 
SleevelessSlopSlinger said:
This would also explain why she doubles down when caught out.
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Exactly. She doubles down even on stuff that a narcissist would want to bury and draw no more attention to, she does the opposite and argues and argues until she looks worse than she did to start with. Not narcissist behaviour IMO.

ETA: not condoning her lying in the slightest, just saying the two can exist together. To use the Santa example again, the same way a 4 year old could say Santa ate the milk and cookies left for him and totally 100% believe it so not a lie but that same 4 year old could say “Santa ate that ice cream from the freezer” fully knowing it’s a lie to cover up what they did.
 
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I was thinking about people on socials and i have discovered a trend. It seems people who live alone post alot of stuff about their lives, ie moments throughout their day and when people say something negative they jump all over it as why is it any of your business. I do wonder if these people feel the need to share these things because otherwise no one else would have seen it and then when someone says something they dont like they are confused about why they are being negative. They dont seem to understand they are sharingva private moment with half of the world and these people are not actually their friends, but clients, or nosey fuckers. It screams these people have no actual real life friends in which to show these moments with and that is sad,!
 
CabalofBolorneaise said:
She never has been. I know she’s a bleep and has had every opportunity to help herself etc but I don’t believe she’s simply a scheming narc - she actively harms herself sometimes through her actions and they’re not what anyone sane, including a narc, would do. A pure narc with nothing else going on would never sabotage themselves in that way.

It’s why I think sometimes she’s not lying in the traditional sense. Yes she does that a lot too, but the times saying something she truly believes even if it’s delusional then is it really lying? Lying to me requires someone to know something isn’t true - eg a 4 year old saying Santa bought them their bike isn’t lying just because their parent actually bought it as the child really believes Santa did.
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I've met a few people very like Jack, and my experience was that in the moment they don't (or can't) differentiate between the truth and a lie that they think is a justified means to an end. They also in my experience can't empathise with others. Although they think they're very good at it, their idea of empathy is making stuff about them. And if you can't put yourself in someone else's place, it's hard to understand that others see through your lies and perceive you as a delusional embarrassment.

Jack is very much of the opinion that she's hard done by, so the constant lies and embellishments about her "poverty" are, to her, totally justified and therefore as good as true, even when they're the opposite of observable reality.

I think she's a covert rather than a grandiose narcissist though, so self-sabotage is another means to an end, because she gets to be the victim and be softly, gently scooped up and looked after when she invariably fucks up and orchestrates another breakdown.
 
TheMiceInTheShed said:
"Masked depression" is very much a Thing.

It's the depression that results in someone unaliving themselves, and all of their friends and relatives saying "We can't believe it! I saw him/her only an hour before they were found and s/he were really looking forward to the bar of chocolate s/he were planning to eat while they were watching Coronation Street. S/he was cracking jokes about some of the characters. S/he was always so cheerful, and helped others - would do anything for anyone - always had a smile on his/her face" etc

It is much more serious than many depressive incidents where outsiders can spot that there is a risk.
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Believe me, I know all too well as a major depressive and various other people's problems xox.

It's more the way mainstream media portray it as though it's got to be all depression, all of the time. God forbid Dee not look like a victim constantly 🙄🙄🙄
 
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