Jack Monroe #53 The patreon saint of perpetual victimhood

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Her old Instagram Account ist very telling. You can view it here. https://gramho.com/profile/jackmonroe__/211635564

She clearly was aiming to do something with photography and writing in 2013 when that account was set up. Then got her book deal and through all of 2014 her account is what I'd expect from a food blogger/cookbook writer. Photos of food with some description and a few personal bits in between. Not my type of food, but nothing awful. And generally an upbeat, positive tone. Then the account stopped and she switched to a new one, along with a new personality, it seems.
 
Lanie said:
I am from a staunch unionist background and yes my family preferred to be called British or northern Irish as they do not like to be associated with "all Ireland" I however am not overly bothered about it so I don't mind being referred to by any of the references.

Also I would like to apologise for my earlier post. I don't think I worded it right. What I said was totally different to what I meant. I am sorry if it annoyed anyone.

Also I'd like to add I have no dealings with any paramilitary groups.
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Imo you have nothing to apologise for. ❤️ It’s a minefield of differing opinions, and one area Jack steers clear of now, quite rightly. It’s a shame, because cooking and fibs aside her life has been interesting and I wouldn’t be averse to hearing her thoughts on some things. One thing I love about here is that for all the things we moan about Jack for, none of them are her sexuality. I imagine even 10 years ago you’d still have some people piping up about it.

Anyway, i’m enjoying the peace.

*cue Jack swinging in on a wrecking ball in her ck crop top*
 
Harrybosch said:
Her old Instagram Account ist very telling. You can view it here. https://gramho.com/profile/jackmonroe__/211635564

She clearly was aiming to do something with photography and writing in 2013 when that account was set up. Then got her book deal and through all of 2014 her account is what I'd expect from a food blogger/cookbook writer. Photos of food with some description and a few personal bits in between. Not my type of food, but nothing awful. And generally an upbeat, positive tone. Then the account stopped and she switched to a new one, along with a new personality, it seems.
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Interesting. She has perfectly acceptable, handmade falafels.

Also, there's those cats she never owned...
 
She likes the words Mrs. Jack.
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Harrybosch said:
Her old Instagram Account ist very telling. You can view it here. https://gramho.com/profile/jackmonroe__/211635564

She clearly was aiming to do something with photography and writing in 2013 when that account was set up. Then got her book deal and through all of 2014 her account is what I'd expect from a food blogger/cookbook writer. Photos of food with some description and a few personal bits in between. Not my type of food, but nothing awful. And generally an upbeat, positive tone. Then the account stopped and she switched to a new one, along with a new personality, it seems.
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Agreed the food on this account isn’t up my street at all but clearly fulfils a purpose (13p a portion etc) and there are solids involved, plus it would fill you up. I wonder if she’s just exhausted all normal recipes hence having to mix n blend a million different tins now?

It’s sad seeing her post nice things like I am blessed / other positive affirmations as she’s just not capable of recognising the good in things anymore, it’s all doom n gloom & ratty responses to all.
 
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It made me really sad tbh. So many repeating patterns/behaviours. Circumstances (not being famous/well known) have meant similar finding myself/changing myself had to stop but for Jack a constant stream of enablers and financiers have depended on her being one version of herself that she might not even like.

Oh I don’t know. Some harm done is irreperable but I do have empathy for the initial confusion that may have led to this behaviour in the first place.

triangulateme said:
Would someone be able to enlighten me as to how long Jack's previous periods off social media have lasted?

I don't know why, but I have a feeling she will last at least a week this time, but I could be wrong. But I hope I'm not as I think it will genuinely be really helpful for her.
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I agree. I think she’ll last a long time too, if only for saving face purposes as she really advertised this one. Next weekend I reckon.
 
Thank you everyone who has given further insights into the eye thing. I won’t quote anything as it will make this post huge, and don’t want to derail too much.

Of all the photos posted, I can’t see anything in particular.

The black and white photo of the war veteran, he just looks tired, upset and possibly mildly annoyed to me. This is what my family members look like when they are complaining and trying to get out of doing something.

The four photos of Jack, two recent and two older, they look pretty much the same to me. I can’t see anything amiss with her expression in the last two. If I had to say, I think I can detect some mild anxiety in her eyes, but I’m looking for it. Her eyes definitely don’t look dead, haunted, joyless or soulless to me.

I think the poster who said she seems negative and peeved on live TV because she’s not comfortable is correct. To me her negativity comes from anxiety and not knowing what to say, so she resorts to her default mode of complaining, being self-deprecating, or using extreme language as humour.

Also, the poster who described when someone is not listening to you talking and zones out, but continues eye contact. I can eventually tell when someone has zoned out through context, but not from expression.

Unfortunately I zone out all the time as I have ADHD and maladaptive daydreaming. I’m also probably “not really there” as I am constantly trying to work out the situation and how I should act.

Given my facial features, the fact that >95% of my smiles are polite, and that I’m always “not really there”, I think that I would be described as having soulless eyes. This is concerning because I hate making people uncomfortable.

I’ve come to the conclusion that instinctive interpretations of body language aren’t always accurate and there is bias in reading it. Eg we know she is a bit of a bleep, so average unhappiness becomes soullessness. (There is probably bias in people like me who “read” body language in a limited, effortful way, too)

ETA: Sorry for derailing so much, this interests me.
 
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Silver Linings said:
It made me really sad tbh. So many repeating patterns/behaviours. Circumstances (not being famous/well known) have meant similar finding myself/changing myself had to stop but for Jack a constant stream of enablers and financiers have depended on her being one version of herself that she might not even like.

Oh I don’t know. Some harm done is irreperable but I do have empathy for the initial confusion that may have led to this behaviour in the first place.


I agree. I think she’ll last a long time too, if only for saving face purposes as she really advertised this one. Next weekend I reckon.
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I don’t think a week is a long time in terms of trying to break her addiction.
 
I have a different take on the whole Allegra / transitioning / break up thing which is that I actually think it was really irresponsible of Jack to imply that Allegra dumped her because she was trans (if this is indeed what she said; I haven’t seen the original Jack quotes only read about it secondhand here). Reason being that lesbians are already coming under sustained and misogynistic attacks from a minority of so-called trans rights activists because they don’t, on the whole, want to sleep with transwomen or transmen. This is falsely (imo) described as transphobia. By painting Allegra as someone who was unsupportive of transitioning, Jack was potentially leaving her open to accusations of transphobia and many lesbians have received death threats or even been personally attacked over this. It was careless at best and knowingly throwing A under a bus at worst.

On the dead eyes thing, I genuinely think it’s hard to tell because people learn their facial expressions primarily from their parents and there is such a baseline range: what looks happy to one person might looks false to another. I think the fact that Jack possibly manipulates her photos To appear thinner / iller is far more telling.

all unsubstantiated speculation m’lud! Jack is an open book and a beacon of honestly. Just look at her sm if you don’t believe me!
 
BeautifulTrauma said:
A bit OT, but I’ve just discovered on TikTok that lesbian girls like to wear men’s boxer shorts and I’m so weirded out by it and I don’t know why?! I’m gay and one of the best parts about having sex with a woman is the underwear, why would you ever swap that for some Boohoo Man signature briefs? Do they ride up? Isn’t there too much material for a girl to wear? So many questions.
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I am a lesbian, a very definitely a woman... But I've worn men's boxers exclusively for the past four years. Women's underwear is rarely made for comfort, and everything has to be so tight and hidden away.

Nah, ladies! Boxers are the way forward, give your vulva the freedom it deserves!

Also, in regards to attractiveness, I'd say it's what's under the underwear that matters most. 😉
 
I don't think she's ever managed longer than a week when having a hiatus from social media. I absolutely agree that if she does persist it will do her a world of good if she is adequately supported by therapists etc. She clearly need to work out how to self validate and feel good about herself in the long term, rather than fleeting likes, comments engagement providing a quick dopamine hit.
 
spirals said:
Glad to hear you're doing okay Mancbee, hope all continues to go well 💜

Do we think maybe she has actually talked to her therapist and/or her sponsor? Maybe I am naive but I am wondering if deleting all this could be some sort of self awareness showing. But of course maybe she is also planning to come back with a big reinvention David Bowie style. NOT that I am comparing Jack to David Bowie in any way heaven forbid.
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If I was sponsoring someone who uses their sm like Jack I think I would actually tell them to come off it complete and get a professional sm manager to just do their job related stuff. And if they refused I would politely decline to sponsor them. I don’t think anyone could get very far in AA recovery if they were simultaneously using sm in such an addictive way. In fact I’d probably ask them to also join a 12 Step programme to specifically address the sm issue.

On the family thing, I suspect they’re fairly socially conservative, which doesn’t stop them voting labour of course but I can’t see a military family being Corbynites. I personally don’t believe the comment her dad was said to’ve made to her about at least not being a Tory when she phoned to say she was transitioning. As for the Irish thing, I am not qualified to wade into the NI issue and how people from both sides there prefer to describe themselves, that is of course a complex and sensitive issue, other than to say I think she uses the Irish tag for idpol points.

All only gossip and unfounded opinion m’lud! I would not dare to presume!
 
heretoreaditall2019 said:
Agreed the food on this account isn’t up my street at all but clearly fulfils a purpose (13p a portion etc) and there are solids involved, plus it would fill you up. I wonder if she’s just exhausted all normal recipes hence having to mix n blend a million different tins now?

It’s sad seeing her post nice things like I am blessed / other positive affirmations as she’s just not capable of recognising the good in things anymore, it’s all doom n gloom & ratty responses to all.
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The whole account is rather sweet and quite earnest.

This is a much nicer Jack than the current one.
 
moldwarp said:
By painting Allegra as someone who was unsupportive of transitioning, Jack was potentially leaving her open to accusations of transphobia and many lesbians have received death threats or even been personally attacked over this. It was careless at best and knowingly throwing A under a bus at worst.
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You make a very good point, transitioning is a real hot button issue on twitter right now (and has been for a while) so there could have been malicious intent behind it.
 
Lanie said:
In fairness she does look happy with Allegra but it couldn't have been all that happy if she wasnt willing to standby her as she transitioned. If she was in fact serious about it. From what I have read it's an awful emotional and physical thing to do and alot of people struggle to get their support they need whilst doing it. You'd think your partner would understand but sadly that's not always the case. I am not digging at Allegra or her but it's an all to common issue.
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I think that’s unfair to Allegra. She wanted a relationship with a lesbian woman. Jack wanted to become a man.
 
Harrybosch said:
Her old Instagram Account ist very telling. You can view it here. https://gramho.com/profile/jackmonroe__/211635564

She clearly was aiming to do something with photography and writing in 2013 when that account was set up. Then got her book deal and through all of 2014 her account is what I'd expect from a food blogger/cookbook writer. Photos of food with some description and a few personal bits in between. Not my type of food, but nothing awful. And generally an upbeat, positive tone. Then the account stopped and she switched to a new one, along with a new personality, it seems.
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some of her photography is great!
 
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