Jack Monroe #53 The patreon saint of perpetual victimhood

[SoulRebel]

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On the eye thing - I think what happens on TV is that she isn't happy/comfortable there and it shows. And when she speaks and it's in this very monotone voice, and then when she's asked to do something and says something like 'well we'll see this goes', it comes across so negative and like she's really peeved about having to do it.

I feel like when I watch Jack cook on TV I realise how stressful it must be to cook on TV. But it's her job, while cooking on TV, to make it look like it's nit stressful. I don't think 'yeah it must be really hard to cook live' when Ainsley Harriot is doing it.

While Jack is quiet, some other observations. I don't think Jack knows who her audience is. Her tin can cook/cooking on a bootstrap, origin story stuff means that her most obvious audience is low-income families. But who expects 'come to bed' recipes in a family cookbook that the adults are supposed to be using to feed their kids? If she wants to do more things like that, she'd be better bringing out a student cookbook.

I also think that Good Food for Bad Days is also not a good idea. It's a nice thought, but in practice, we all know that when you're at your lowest, you generally just can't. Like, if you are so bad anxiety/depression wise that you can't get out of bed, you're not going to be cooking. And Jack herself illustrates that with her 'I haven't cooked properly in ages.'

I agree with a lot of this but don't understand Jackie's determination to make a go of a TV career, she is clearly unsuited to it and has been given several opportunities, all of which she has fucked up despite teams of experts trying to help her. She seems unable to take anything seriously and her arrogance and lack of insight/knowledge about what she is trying to demonstrate makes everyone around her nervous too, they have to carry her through to try and save the show. I doubt that the gorgeous Ainsley has ever felt the need to look at his 'phone under a glass table whilst live on TV

 

[jeanniej]

Has anyone triangulated that Viv Westwood (RIP) dress yet. Cost and season, and likelihood of being a sales or 2nd hand purchase etc.

I have now Googled 'Is Vivienne Westwood dead' 6x over the course of these threads.

 

[AmTellinYa]

It wasn't Jack, we were discussing a member who has historically caused a bit of controversy. You might find a bit more about what you're looking for on the Food & Drink thread in that respect (or perhaps not as it is all quite veiled).

I think dead eyes is an inaccurate description in the sense that I can see how, taken literally, it involves looking at the eyes themselves. When people talk about dead eyes they mean more what is going on around the eyes (but they may not be conscious of that fact). When we smile genuinely we use considerably more muscles in our face than when we're smiling to be polite or similar, so when people are faking a smile there are considerably fewer wrinkles around the eyes etc.

Here's a visual side by side comparison of a fake smile vs a genuine smile:

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I think what makes it particularly obvious when Jack does this is that she has a smile which really exposes lots of the teeth in her mouth, so when the smile does not "reach the eyes" per se, it actually appears sort of aggressive because she's baring her teeth in such a way.

That's discomfiting to many people on an evolutionary level because the aggression of tooth baring and the lack of smile in the eyes implies nefarious motivations. Sorry if that is long-winded or (wo)mansplain-y.

ETA: here's a short article on "real" smiles https://www.healthline.com/health/duchenne-smile

I agree with this totally but also the dead eyes thing, I find Jack's eyes souless, there's no light there. That's my interpretation when people say dead eyes. No light, no joy, no nothing just black.

 

[FrumpyCat]

Hoping Jack remains quiet on social media for a while; I have a schedule of highly important, not at all pointless or time wasting meetings for management to stand in front of their carefully curated backgrounds, to attend,

 

[emmer_moans]

Wow probably a good move to delete the tweets from the last 3 months. Let's hope Jack does actually work on her self over the next few weeks. A good move if she can commit to it.

Edit to add: gave up reading the last few threads after about 45 mins of skimming...too much to read and I don't want to spend all morning in bed reading! New thread, clean slate!

 

[MancBee]

I've not contributed for a few days, recovery is a painful business, so not been able to concentrate.

My take on her stare/smile. If you talk to someone who is clearly not listening, their mind wandering to elsewhere, and they carry on looking you straight in the eye. You could wave a hand right in front of them before they "come back in the room". That is the look I get from R Jackie, her mind is anywhere other than in the moment.

It is such a difficult thing to explain to anyone, it is just instinctive reading of a face and expressions. Maybe some people just don't have that instinctive reaction.

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

@MancBee - hope you are doing alright.

 

[emmer_moans]

I've not contributed for a few days, recovery is a painful business, so not been able to concentrate.

My take on her stare/smile. If you talk to someone who is clearly not listening, their mind wandering to elsewhere, and they carry on looking you straight in the eye. You could wave a hand right in front of them before they "come back in the room". That is the look I get from R Jackie, her mind is anywhere other than in the moment.

It is such a difficult thing to explain to anyone, it is just instinctive reading of a face and expressions. Maybe some people just don't have that instinctive reaction.

Agreed.
I think her thoughts are probably mile-a-minute which to me, comes across in her writing and unscripted talking on camera.

 

[Veronicaaa]

I've not contributed for a few days, recovery is a painful business, so not been able to concentrate.

My take on her stare/smile. If you talk to someone who is clearly not listening, their mind wandering to elsewhere, and they carry on looking you straight in the eye. You could wave a hand right in front of them before they "come back in the room". That is the look I get from R Jackie, her mind is anywhere other than in the moment.

It is such a difficult thing to explain to anyone, it is just instinctive reading of a face and expressions. Maybe some people just don't have that instinctive reaction.

Yeah, it's that thing of not being in the moment (or not committing to the moment). It reminds me of someone (I think Russell Brand) talking about talking to active alcoholics, the way a lot of the time they're not paying attention to what you're saying because they're thinking about where the next drink will come from. Jack's always either several steps ahead or thinking about the duck-up she just made and unable to just exist in the present.

 

[Harrybosch]

Am I the only one who thinks she hasn’t had lip fillers? I’ve looked at pics of her from 2013 and when she is slim her lips look the same, but when she’s carrying a bit more weight on her face a la orange hair phase (and has foundation around the lipline) they obviously look smaller. I think she’s just been making them slightly bigger on apps. They look too flat to have filler in them

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Anyway, off to scope a food & drink thread or something

So glad you said this. I can't see the lip filler thing either. But then again, it's not my area of expertise. One thing I'm certain of is that she didn't do the ouchy mouth thing to cover up lip fillers. At that time dentists and beauty studios were still closed. I'm equally certain that she didn't chew down to a nerve, because of basic biology and her very own photo evidence.

I feel like when I watch Jack cook on TV I realise how stressful it must be to cook on TV. But it's her job, while cooking on TV, to make it look like it's nit stressful. I don't think 'yeah it must be really hard to cook live' when Ainsley Harriot is doing it.

I always feel like I'm watching someone do stand up for the first time. It's always uncomfortable at best, but often excruciating. Difference is, open-mic nights are free/cheap and I can drink a pint. And I get the chance to see some really funny, clever people.

I have now Googled 'Is Vivienne Westwood dead' 6x over the course of these threads.

It's what Viv would have wanted.

 

[MancBee]

@MancBee - hope you are doing alright.

Thanks, I am doing just fine, though I am sure my pain is nowhere near as bad as having a tiny sore lip . Still reading here and rolling my eyes, even if I am not contributing.

I find the deleting of the past three months tweets very odd. It completely eradicates her David Walliams inappropriate (in her opinion) children's book crusade. Is she now suggesting that she was wrong and the books are perfectly fine, or will she resurrect her campaign?

All very odd. If she feels as strongly about them as she said, and they are as harmful to children as she claimed, then it would be totally inappropriate for her not to carry on highlighting this to other parents. R Jackie has a lot of followers and "could" be quite influential. She has suggested that these books cause societal harm and she has suggested that she had the ear some people in government. R Jackie has a duty to carry on with her battle.

As I am not a child, and have no children, I have no interest in reading the books. If I were a parent of a 10 year old child, and thought that these books were harmful I would do what I could to get them banned. As it is, I don't care

 

[Bookweevil]

I agree with this totally but also the dead eyes thing, I find Jack's eyes souless, there's no light there. That's my interpretation when people say dead eyes. No light, no joy, no nothing just black.

One of the reasons I find that Tom Cruise gif so time-suckingly mesmerising is because he’s doing a genuine smile before he puts the shades on. Contrast Tom’s twinkliness with JM’s eyes...

 

[chocolate choux]

Well, that’s according to Jack, though

Don’t wish to derail with speculation on parents, but a military family, unionist mother (surmising from marriage of Belfast girl to British soldier), repeated use of full honours after name — these tend to be right leaning, especially all together. Not that there’s anything wrong with any of them, and I’m making sweeping generalisations

Anyway, may have been another thing to rebel against her family....

Doesn’t she describe her family as ‘Irish’ though? Forgive me for potential ignorance but don’t staunch unionists very much prefer to use ‘Northern Irish’ or ‘British’? Or have I been trolled by sectarians

I don’t believe her dad said that, either. It’s like one of those made up reddit posts, I bet then everyone clapped and someone shouted ‘louder for those in the back’...

 

[Lanie]

Let's face it nobody likes to hear that they are not good at something. Unfortunately TV and presenting are not her thing. If she applies herself and stops trying to be the next experimental chef with weird ingredients, she could be a very good cook.

What I am hoping and I mean this kindly is that this little am break will help her understand that she can still have her dream( cooking and writing) but she needs to step back from the fame.

Get out there with your CVS and get yourself a kitchen job the money won't be great to start but of you graft hard and write / cook in your spare time. You could be on to alittle earner and your mental health will not take a knocking from all that comes from fame.

She says she has pstd from being poor but she doesn't have to be poor if she works hard. I keep saying this her kid is much older now and he can get looked after and she can go out to work, steal a bit of her life back and pay her bills.

If her entitlement has gotten to the point where she can live with spunking at least a grand on a shopping spree then she needs to re-read her first book. Being rich isn't everything, staying alive, having a life and being happy is.

Perhaps she needs to rethink more than her career.

 

[spirals]

Thanks, I am doing just fine, though I am sure my pain is nowhere near as bad as having a tiny sore lip . Still reading here and rolling my eyes, even if I am not contributing.

I find the deleting of the past three months tweets very odd. It completely eradicates her David Walliams inappropriate (in her opinion) children's book crusade. Is she now suggesting that she was wrong and the books are perfectly fine, or will she resurrect her campaign?

All very odd. If she feels as strongly about them as she said, and they are as harmful to children as she claimed, then it would be totally inappropriate for her not to carry on highlighting this to other parents. R Jackie has a lot of followers and "could" be quite influential. She has suggested that these books cause societal harm and she has suggested that she had the ear some people in government. R Jackie has a duty to carry on with her battle.

As I am not a child, and have no children, I have no interest in reading the books. If I were a parent of a 10 year old child, and thought that these books were harmful I would do what I could to get them banned. As it is, I don't care

Glad to hear you're doing okay Mancbee, hope all continues to go well

Do we think maybe she has actually talked to her therapist and/or her sponsor? Maybe I am naive but I am wondering if deleting all this could be some sort of self awareness showing. But of course maybe she is also planning to come back with a big reinvention David Bowie style. NOT that I am comparing Jack to David Bowie in any way heaven forbid.

 

[Pocahontas]

Regarding whether her smile reaches her eyes, I think it’s obviously evident when you look at older pictures of her in comparison with more recent ones. Sure, I think there is manipulation in them in terms of lighting / expression / filters, not to mention a change in life circumstance, but I think recent pics show that a break away from twitter, etc. will be beneficial.

Gives us all a breather anyways!

 

[Walkdengirl]

As an aside, did her dad write to her school to say he would be grateful if they announced that Jack's first book was coming out, and he was proud that his daughter was a published author?

I work in a school, no more info as you may triangulate me, and we quite often get emails, letters etc off ex pupils or their parents if they have achieved something noteworthy, it's nice to know that we did some good, and as we are quite often short of stuff for our newsletter it may get a mention in that too so for me that doesn't strike me as odd, just a proud dad

 

[spirals]

Regarding whether her smile reaches her eyes, I think it’s obviously evident when you look at older pictures of her in comparison with more recent ones. Sure, I think there is manipulation in them in terms of lighting / expression / filters, not to mention a change in life circumstance, but I think recent pics show that a break away from twitter, etc. will be beneficial.

Gives us all a breather anyways!

I think she looks great with that undercut in the second picture there. She does look happiest being her natural (imo) soft butch self, rather than when she's trying to be more femme (Nigella) or in her current Britney incarnation.

 

[catsandhat]

Her and Allegra seemed really happy together at the time!

 

[J4n0Z]

Her and Allegra seemed really happy together at the time!

They really did, when you see the pictures of them together she's glowing. It's lovely to see.

I think she looks great with that undercut in the second picture there. She does look happiest being her natural (imo) soft butch self, rather than when she's trying to be more femme (Nigella) or in her current Britney incarnation.

Yeah, I think that really suits her.

Lovely to hear from you @MancBee - I hope the recovery is going well!