Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #158 Alice was a no show, to the pokey she must go.

[willbiteback]

Ella is a teenager. Teenagers are pretty vile most of the time, hormones raging, and changes to the body, and that’s without having a mother like Alice.

She is still a child, going through the challenge of managing her ridiculous mother and also missing her father and having to deal with the humiliation of moving schools etc

I dare any one of us to say we were great teenagers who caused no trouble. Any one point all of us were crappy teenagers. I was awful.

I have a friend who is estranged from the children post divorce. This friend will see one out of the four, the others are similar ages to Ioan’s children but don’t visit because they have admitted they are scared of hurting the other parent or getting on the wrong side of them.

I feel Ella may be in the same place. Fear of putting a foot wrong with Alice. Fear of the interrogation when she gets home. Fear of the drama. And that saddens me. She is still a child.

I agree. We‘re likely seeing the worst of her in the divorce paperwork, and adolescence is rough - especially with parents divorcing and Alice as the primary custodial parent, at least for now. What a wretched way to live, especially when you haven‘t fully developed your coping skills. It has to have taken a toll that she has apparently had to parent her mother regularly, and to listen to AE’s vitriol. I’m inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt until she’s more mature and in a more stable environment.

 

[IKickLikeKatya]

Every time Tone or Al talk about their family history and interactions, I just think they've been fucked up from the start

 

[Feather fans]

“You owe me $500” is not something any kid says to their parents. Wealthy or not, parents don’t give hundreds of dollars to their kids like that. Kids also don’t get to click their fingers and demand their fathers roll up and play chauffeur while refusing to have a relationship with them. It’s pretty obvious that big Es attitude is far from healthy. I don’t think it’s typical behaviour by a long way.

It is clearly a behaviour learned from birth - as we all agreed I think, it is evident mAlice treated Yo like tit all along - and in front of the kids. It is normal to them, they were taught to not respect him but see him as commodity, as someone who is supposed to jump hoops when told. Add to this teenage issues and continuous mummy dearest’s "briefing" (this 500 Im sure came from mAlice, as in E believes he owes them/ deprived her of it somehow, based on what mAlice tells her) and here we are. Sadly, I also of the camp who believes she is in real danger of growing up into something similar to her mother. If to go with the seemingly prevalent theory that narcs are not born but made, the risk is very high. I would not excuse her behaviour as "just being a teenager" because it has to be viewed in context. And context - yes, divorce, emotions, hormones, but also - lifelong mother’s influence and even worse still, living and seeing the dynamic between parents..

 

[Autisteuse]

Big E actually scares me. She will continue Alices’s fight with Ioan and Bianca and it will get worse when she is a teenager and young adult. I used to think things would get better with therapy and such and I know they have a long road but she is so much like Alice. Her mom is ruining her.

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I am laughing so hard about this. Not your ear problems of course but this story just cracked me up.

I’m the reverse, actually: I feel optimistic about Ella. She wouldn’t have had Elsie film that video of a drunken Malice in her pit, calling her a tedious witch on her birthday and saying she was shipping Ella off when the (then) child asked her to ‘be a mother’. She also seems extremely protective of Elsie. Yes, she may have done a few truly awful things (but then again, doesn’t everyone during their teenage years? I certainly fucked up: I was an absolute horror) but that could just conceivably be either a way to keep Malice sweet/her attention diverted or because Malice needled, egged her on and traumatised her into doing something she really didn’t want to do. We have to remember that she’s only 13, just on the cusp of adolescence. With an internal hurricane of hormones, she could quite conceivably call *Malice* a stupid witch and storm off to her dad’s place. It seems far too early to tell.

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Interesting that this was teeny Tony twit's response to that same transcript that someone tweeted back in December.

So which is it? Is he defending this behavior, or denying the transcript is true and factual?
He contradicts himself almost as much as his sis.
Either way, there's too much chlorine in this gene pool me thinks.

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Well. That last tweet explains it all, really. No-one ever taught that toxic pair boundaries, respect and discipline. They’re stuck in adolescence because no-one told them to shut up and grow up.
The elder Evans really have a lot to answer for.

 

[AnneinHever]

I’ve never heard a F word out of my kids mouths and they have never sworn at me. I’m not mother of the year and my kids are no angels. It’s not normal or ok for kids to swear at their parents and vis versa at least in my experience. Evans clan seem to have utter lack of respect and common decency.

I have never used the F word or any other swear word for that matter when addressing to my kids. And neither have they. And I have a teen from hell here!

 

[Lulugrace]

I had an appointment with a plastic surgeon today because a piercing on the top of my ear got infected a few years ago and created this HUGE keloid (massive growth of tissue) that spread all the way down to my earlobe. (It’s hideous.)

I was catching up on the earlier parts of this thread in the lobby and got so passionate about this tit again that I needed to release steam so I started ranting to the doctor while he was examining me.

Me: “…And she DEADASS won’t stop lying about literally EVERYTHING. She’s hiding money, she’s messing up the house, she’s bleeping up his reputation, she’s turning the fuckin kids against him, too…”

Him: “[oh’s and ah’s—he was obviously not listening lmao]. So I think I can cut off these keloids but the issue will be making your ear look ‘normal’ afterwards.”

Me: “Right, yeah, but she’s missing court dates—the one she just missed is CRIMINAL, like this is a CRIMINAL MATTER NOW, what kind of a dumb witch skips court to jerk off on Twitter about BULLSHIT?”

Him: (Probably uncomfortable with my swearing at this point lmao) “You’re gonna need a few days of localized radiation afterwards to lessen the chances that it’ll grow back but I can’t promise it won’t—“

Me: “Do you think she’s gonna go to jail?? Like DOESN’T THAT SOUND LIKE A witch ON HER WAY TO THE HOOSEGOW???”

Him: “[my name], you are probably going to lose a LOT of your ear here so can you start caring about this please??”

Spoiler Alert: I still don’t care about it. I don’t mind walking around with a clipped ear like a neutered cat as long as I can scream about this tit.

Oh jeez, that sounds painful , gotta laugh at the "neutered cat" comment . The doctor must a have thought, who the duck is she talking about!

 

[mousse]

To me, some of the stuff Ella said and did that is included in the court stuff is there because it is textbook parental alienation. My stepsons could be like that one day and after a couple of days away from their mother completely lose that horrible aura of entitlement.

 

[sevenyearbiatch]

I have never used the F word or any other swear word for that matter when addressing to my kids. And neither have they. And I have a teen from hell here!

I swear like a trooper but never in front of my kids or my mum. I don’t think that woman has ever said a swear word in her life! We weren’t even allowed to say fart - ‘blow off’ was barely acceptable but never in company.
My children (adults) occasionally swear in front of me - never to me, but just when they’re chatting to each other or friends, and it makes me wince. Lols - no idea why, I’m no prude, but there we have it.
Alice is a foul human being and Tone is cut from the same cloth. They have ASBO written all over them. Roll Big Al into the Pacific and her thickaspigshit clone Tone into the Bristol Channel

 

[hermionegrangerrrr]

Interesting that this was teeny Tony twit's response to that same transcript that someone tweeted back in December.

So which is it? Is he defending this behavior, or denying the transcript is true and factual?
He contradicts himself almost as much as his sis.
Either way, there's too much chlorine in this gene pool me thinks.

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sorry but “mum(rip)” is so funny lmao

 

[sevenyearbiatch]

There was a recent murder case in NZ - a woman shot her partner then buried him in a shallow grave. When he was found, she tried to pass off his murder as self-defense from abuse. She was convicted and sentenced to 13 yrs. She has just launched an appeal, despite the crown’s damning evidence of pre-meditation.

This article today caught my eye and guess who it reminded me of …

‘The world’s best liar who always has a plan’ has a contender for her title …

 

[Treacletrixter]

It’s also worth remembering in all the speculation and gossip, especially on mumsnet at the moment, that whilst Ioan has accused Alice of abuse towards him he hasn’t had an outright allegation about he abusing or neglecting the children. This is not to say that he possibly believes that to be the case.

His statement on custody challenges any contention that he didn’t have an equal parenting role. He points out that he was doing all the parenting when he wasn’t working and that Gloria was employed to cover when he was away. Because Alice presumably refused to do it. Not that she cannot do it.

That he has steered into her alcohol and prescription pill problems suggests they may go there. But evidence might not be strong to prove she is unfit.

My personal view is that they are seeking to establish that coparenting isn’t going to work and he is the better parent. They seem to be leaving open the unfit parent allegations for the moment.

 

[Georgie883]

I used to live near Bristol and I know no Bristolian especially a middle aged man who would use this. It smacks of someone who is used to living in the US to me Hi Al Edited to say: I mean she has even signed it hasn't she lol.

 

[RatOVan]

Ah, I see Loopy is still obsessing over his crush Ioan
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It reminds of a toddler at this point, all he can ever say is DARVO, and he clearly has no clue what that means.

PS: in an active divorce a RO isnt suppressing anything, Alice could easily file anything she wants, but so far she has produced just tit and just confirmed his story as well.

God he's a tiresome tit, I'd have posted it on his twitter but I'm blocked

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

Big E actually scares me. She will continue Alices’s fight with Ioan and Bianca and it will get worse when she is a teenager and young adult. I used to think things would get better with therapy and such and I know they have a long road but she is so much like Alice. Her mom is ruining her.

I agree she is being ruined by mAlice, deliberately, so she will be a nightmare for I and B to deal with and a spy to boot. Her plan is that she will have 100% custody of the eldest at least so poor lil' Alice never has to be alone because as a narc, it's all about her.

BTW, Ella has a lot of growing up to do so I don't think we should write her off. Who here is the same as they were at 13??

 

[DevonshirePixie]

Alice claiming that people calling her out on Twitter have inside knowledge is utter bullshit and she knows it. Nobody knew she'd been arrested. Nobody knows lots of things which have been revealed. Most of us have read the court papers and been utterly shocked by the contents.

In this case, Alice blindsided the Tattle Turds I know she's dumb (obviously had some grey cells hence her degree and grifting) and we all know she projects and we knew Ioan has had to play the long game, but being arrested and blaming the injustice of the unjust DVRO I'm amazed she sat on that, lets face it she has no shame, so she didn't keep quiet because she felt ashamed or felt she wasn't in the wrong, did she think that it wouldn't come out ? Did she honestly think Baby Angel wuved her and would save her from Bianca's wrath?
Edit, pressed the post button and have now lost my train of thought

 

[M33L4]

I don’t think we can write Ella off anyway, it’s learned behaviour. She believes Alice’s narrative because that’s all she knows at the moment. I like to give her credit and believe she’s playing to her audience. She’s a mixed-up kid of a manipulative witch of a mother. She’s also angry at her daddy for leaving. It seems to me that the parents relationship worked in that way for years, Alice would punish Ioan for any perceived slight by spending his money on inane shite.
She also got her sibling to record that argument with Alice and had the gumption to make Ioan aware. She will get wise to Alice in time if she hasn’t already.
Hell mend Alice, if Ella does continue to behave this way and refuses to see Ioan completely, Alice will have to deal with that and we all know she doesn’t have the parenting or emotional skills for it.
She will eventually pack Ella off to her Dad’s.

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

“You owe me $500” is not something any kid says to their parents. Wealthy or not, parents don’t give hundreds of dollars to their kids like that. Kids also don’t get to click their fingers and demand their fathers roll up and play chauffeur while refusing to have a relationship with them. It’s pretty obvious that big Es attitude is far from healthy. I don’t think it’s typical behaviour by a long way.

I believe Ioan's court documents so it did happen imo. Agree that it's not normal behaviour but with a mother like mAlice, is anything going to be normal or healthy?

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‘The world’s best liar who always has a plan’ has a contender for her title …

Sort of. Alice is a tit liar though. Constantly contradicting herself even in the same tweet. Like we don't have the receipts lol

Agree that mAlice always has a plan. She even told Ioan what it was - she would ruin him a la Heard - and she did her utmost to execute the plan. She is not 'mad' in the sense of being out of control - she knows exactly what she is doing.

Devious and calculating yes, but Alice is not mad. Evil more like.

 

[Treacletrixter]

Parents [the normal ones] give their children love all their lives. But as they grow into teens they need boundaries, values and aspirations. Without those a teen is going to go off the rails, one way or another. When your mother has taught you to value status and material things the loss of that will sting. What she is really hurt about is the dismantling of her safety net. She never knew anything else.

 

[DevonshirePixie]

The picture of them standing on the step with the eldest ? as a baby shows that she is not the slightest bit interested in her baby, and being a mother. She is showing that she must always be the centre of attention, putting herself in the centre of the scene, snogging Ioan while holding him in a headlock and pushing the baby out of shot by her body position. It’s as if that poor child didn’t matter and is just incidental to the photo. No holding her child, loving it, and posing as a family. I find it a really disturbing image if I’m honest, and it gives me the chills.

That's exactly how I saw it, the way she has arm/elbow, no wonder Ioan got a nanny and housekeeper in. She's not capable of being a warm and loving Mother, in a way I hope Ella doesn't see that photo, but maybe when she's older and have children of her own, then she realises what her own Mother did My daughter adores her Father (it doesn't matter that he's an hole she still loves him dearly) but sometimes she confides to me how he lets her down or takes no interest, she's an adult and when he remarried the new wife's daughter was a bridesmaid (19) yet when her brother got married a few years later she was a bridesmaid, so the stepmother saying "oh well you were an adult" didn't wash with her, he disappoints her so much and has not been supportive for anything and of course it breaks my heart, as I'm happy when my children are happy, I'm sad if they're sad, but eventually a time will come when she no longer tries to keep the relationship going, I honestly thought I would feel jubilant that he's shown his true colours, but I don't, even though he was such a cnut towards me I just feel pity. When it comes to children whether theyre youngsters or adults the best gift you can give them is your time as well as lots of love. Edit edit I tried to do a spoiler but again it didn't work

 

[NarcRage]

The thing which I think is really destabilizing for a teen/pre teen is the moving from one school to another school for just one year (and prob being the poorest person in that school/bullied for your crazy mother - Alice alluded to this already) then being pulled out again and homeschooled. The most important thing to teenage girls is their friends. My best friends were met at this age and we've been friends for forty odd years now.
This chopping and changing at this age is really bad because you won't develop best friends. Or you lose your best friend.
This is all part of the isolate so you have nobody but me strategy I reckon.... Or stay in your room on your iphone and have virtual friends but not real ones. It's so sad.