Harry and Meghan #43 The Griper, the Viper and the Plastic Sniper

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spangly said:
I've always wondered what type of person needs to listen to a motivational/ inspirational speaker? (Honestly, I've always considered it to be a money making/ promotional venture)
You don't need to be told, "I did it this way", "You can do it too", "believe in yourself and your magical unicorn dreams can come true"..................If you are going to make a success of your life (however you like to measure success) - it's already within you, you don't need to pay $$$$ for someone to tell you the obvious.
It just appears that those that like to give motivational talks are really deluded about their own importance in the World.
Yes, I would listen to talks of an interesting life but without any kind of preaching element. Everything we need to know about improving our own lives or the World, is at our fingertips now - why are people giving air time to these blatherers?

Sorry - I was so enraged, I accidentally turned on itallics and didn't know how to edit it back to normal! ;)
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I would like to venture that they do have a use and can do a lot of good.
Not the property magnate/industry MLM types, not the ones who are marketing themselves, but the ones who talk self belief and are realistic. Not just platitudes but more useful things. So they may be situation specific. I went to one about parenting kids with SN. It was useful - not the bits that were airy fairy, but the bits that gave me practical advice.

Post divorce, perhaps having had a long career break, it’s easy to lose all your confidence. You’re older, more tired, your body aches in ways it didn’t, and all of a sudden you need to get back out into a world you no longer recognise or know. You don’t have a partner, you are a single parent and maybe running on empty. That’s quite scary for lots of us.
Add to that, the fact you don’t want to burden your friends too much with moaning and worries, and maybe they aren’t great at emotional and mental TLC. Or maybe you think what you are saying sounds stupid....
“I’m scared to get a job”
“Scared of what?”
“Don’t know. Everything. I’m so worried it has stopped me looking or doing anything. I worry all the time, I can’t sleep”
“Erm...Just go and get a job?”

See, it just sounds ridiculous.

I think they can be incredibly useful. But not the Instagram crap, or the business scamming bollocks.
I found David Goggins - hard as nails navy seal, inspiring to listen to. His message?

Yes it hurts. Keep going.

I can’t compare to him. I couldn’t be more different. I’m a soft as lard, middle aged single mum who likes overthinking everything. But his message got me through a very difficult time when all I could do was put one foot in front of the other. I’d listen to podcasts he was on. Be at the end of my tether and I’d find the strength and willpower to do that thing I thought I couldn’t.

I like the Savvy Psycologist. Lots of good practical advice. Happier with Gretchen Rubin is great too. They have all helped so much. Listening to them talk whilst walking my dog and probably crying, has got me through very dark times. I didn’t like all their episodes. I picked and chose what I listened to.

None of them are word salad though. Not even a hint. They all give advice and acknowledge pain. None of them say that theirs is the only and correct way. None of them are toxic positivity which is a particular hate of mine.

The waffle bullshit should be outlawed.

It’s easy to be judgemental about motivational speakers when you feel good about yourself and when you see the crappy ones (like bleeping Meg types) who say NOTHING. But the good ones? The ones based in science and psychology and medicine? They save lives. I genuinely believe that.

Its hard to tell a friend or family just how bad you feel. Or how mental you think you are - the shame, the humiliation, their worry. And then you gave to comfort that person and reassure them you are ok actually. Which feels worse because you have to look after their mental state because they can’t cope with what you say (who guessed I was talking about my mum? Gold star for you!)
This gave me a way of getting a boost and getting some great advice.
I did have to wade through vast amounts of tit to find those ones though. The bad far outweighs the good
 
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I'm glad you found them really helpful @Bloody orange Hell . I guess I am just a massive cynic and find it hard to believe that there are many people out there offering useful advice for purely altruistic reasons.
Advice about dealing with a specific topic/ factual advice is slightly different in my eyes and is on a par with maybe joining a group of likeminded people to share experiences and helpful tips with - I'm wholeheartedly in support of that. Talking can never hurt but being talked to......well, it;s not for me. (Even at some of my lowest points in life)

To keep it on topic, especially being preached to by a couple of "What Freda says" Smeggy and Hazno!

I've had a little bit of time to think about the point I was trying to get across - in my mind, when I think about motivational speaking, I am thinking of an audience of people listening to maybe one or a group of people that have a similar life outcome (successful businesswoman, million dollar selling author etc). It sometimes appears to be a big back slapping excercise rather than an ecouraging experience - it often seems to me that they are selling a formula for success which cannot always be realistically be achieved. People buy into it thinking that it will change their lives and when it doesn't I wonder what that does to their self-esteem?
What worries me in this instance is that when people feel most vulnerable, they are most suggestable. (This is why I also don't agree with religious cold calling either)

If a person has an educational message to spread - yes, I understand that (so perhaps, I shouldn't have lumped all "motivational speakers" together - if you are interested in the topic, you will want to listen to them.

I think the kind of speakers that I'm talking about are the likes of Smeggy, Hazno or other Zlebs (or the type that of speakers that want you to pay for their life changing formulas) - with agendas and not much life experience to share. What kind of people want to listen to them?
Who wants to go to a gig where Harry is the headline act?
 
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Scotch Mist said:
www.mirror.co.uk

Meghan Markle on 'defensive' and displaying 'signs of anger' in latest interview

Body language expert Judi James has given her interpretation of the subtle signals Meghan Markle displayed during her Most Powerful Women Summit interview with Fortune editor Ellen McGirt
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LOL 😆
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I saw this and was going to post! Love it 🤣

spangly said:
I'm glad you found them really helpful @Bloody orange Hell . I guess I am just a massive cynic and find it hard to believe that there are many people out there offering useful advice for purely altruistic reasons.
Advice about dealing with a specific topic/ factual advice is slightly different in my eyes and is on a par with maybe joining a group of likeminded people to share experiences and helpful tips with - I'm wholeheartedly in support of that. Talking can never hurt but being talked to......well, it;s not for me. (Even at some of my lowest points in life)

To keep it on topic, especially being preached to by a couple of "What Freda says" Smeggy and Hazno!

I've had a little bit of time to think about the point I was trying to get across - in my mind, when I think about motivational speaking, I am thinking of an audience of people listening to maybe one or a group of people that have a similar life outcome (successful businesswoman, million dollar selling author etc). It sometimes appears to be a big back slapping excercise rather than an ecouraging experience - it often seems to me that they are selling a formula for success which cannot always be realistically be achieved. People buy into it thinking that it will change their lives and when it doesn't I wonder what that does to their self-esteem?
What worries me in this instance is that when people feel most vulnerable, they are most suggestable. (This is why I also don't agree with religious cold calling either)

If a person has an educational message to spread - yes, I understand that (so perhaps, I shouldn't have lumped all "motivational speakers" together - if you are interested in the topic, you will want to listen to them.

I think the kind of speakers that I'm talking about are the likes of Smeggy, Hazno or other Zlebs (or the type that of speakers that want you to pay for their life changing formulas) - with agendas and not much life experience to share. What kind of people want to listen to them?
Who wants to go to a gig where Harry is the headline act?
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"Joining a group of likeminded people" ....yes....you are right! Tattle got me through Lockdown! 🤣
 
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Norbs said:
If she honestly can’t see why what she is saying is controversial, then she’s very stupid.
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I love hearing her trying to justify herself. How people interpret anything is what it is. Humans are incredibly perceptive and can take in a huge amount of information from mannerisms and body language. Just by looking at a facial expression you can actually tell what someone is thinking. It’s an instinct we all possess in degrees. Again and again me thinks she always doth protest too much. Why keep bringing it up if you ain’t bothered witch 😂😂
 
Baguette said:
From Master Kaye's ruling (The Sun have this bit) This is so so funny and dry as a 60,000 year old MEGalodon's fossilised tooth.


Judge Francesca Kaye today ruled The Mail on Sunday can rely on Finding Freedom in its defence in the High Court.

She said: "[Meghan] says she had nothing to do with the information in the public domain, either directly or indirectly. She says 'it's nothing to do with me', which is a simple case.

"If it's a house of cards, then it will quickly fall down at trial. But I'm satisfied the amendments are arguable."

She added that Meghan "knows the case she has to meet" and that "there is no suggestion that she is in fact unable to do so".

The claims could be very damaging to her case against the Mail on Sunday as the judge today allowed them to be used against her in court.

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Meg loses court battle to block claims she ‘co-operated with Finding Freedom’

MEGHAN Markle today lost a court battle to block claims she allegedly co-operated with the authors of Finding Freedom. The Duchess of Sussex, 39, is accused of feeding personal information to the w…
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At a hearing this afternoon, Master Francesca Kaye said the allegation that Meghan had fed information to the authors may quickly collapse at trial, but ruled the newspaper group was entitled to advance the argument in its defence at trial.

She said Meghan’s lawyers had argued the court was being “hoodwinked into thinking there’s more to the proposed amendments than we think there is”, but concluded the argument could be ventured.

“There is always the risk with an inferential case that it will fall apart at an early stage if the inferences start to unravel”, she said. “But these are clearly matters for the trial judge.”

The judge said one of the authors, Mr Scobie, has denied in a statement to the court that there was any contribution from Meghan, but found it was not a “knock-out blow” to ANL’s amended defence case.

“It may be what it does not say rather than what it does say that might prove to be significant at trial”, she said of Mr Scobie’s statement, adding of the new accusations levelled at Meghan: “If, as suggested, it’s all a house of cards, it will quickly fall down at trial.”

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In her ruling today, Master Kaye said Meghan’s defence at trial should not be substantially altered by the new claims being levelled at her by ANL.

“She says she has nothing to do with the information in the public domain, whether directly or indirectly”, she said.

“(She says) the letter was and remains a private letter to her father and she is entitled to her privacy. She says in simple terms ‘it wasn’t me and had nothing to do with me’. If that’s the case, it’s a simple case from an evidential point of view.”


www.standard.co.uk

MoS can rely on Meghan and Harry biography in High Court privacy case

The Duchess of Sussex has lost her latest High Court battle with the media after a judge ruled she can be accused of “collaborating” with the authors of a book about her life with Prince Harry.
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More from Yahoo:
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Meghan Markle loses latest court fight as judge rules 'Mail On Sunday' can use 'Finding Freedom'

Extracts from 'Finding Freedom; can be used in court, a judge has ruled.
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(the main bit below)

Delivering her verdict on ANL’s request to include the book, Judge Francesca Kaye said the amended defence did not raise “new defences” but added “further particulars”.

She said the Duchess of Sussex “knows the case she has to meet” and that “there is no suggestion that she is in fact unable to do so”.

It’s already the case that the duchess, who now lives in the US and is likely to join the case via videolink, will have to hand over months worth of communications, including texts, emails and call logs.

Justin Rushbrooke, representing Meghan, immediately asked for permission to appeal but it was denied. However they could take an appeal to the Court of Appeal.
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How the fook did those 2 get all the little details if they wasn't fed them ? What a crock of tit
 
Bloody orange Hell said:
I would like to venture that they do have a use and can do a lot of good.
Not the property magnate/industry MLM types, not the ones who are marketing themselves, but the ones who talk self belief and are realistic. Not just platitudes but more useful things. So they may be situation specific. I went to one about parenting kids with SN. It was useful - not the bits that were airy fairy, but the bits that gave me practical advice.

Post divorce, perhaps having had a long career break, it’s easy to lose all your confidence. You’re older, more tired, your body aches in ways it didn’t, and all of a sudden you need to get back out into a world you no longer recognise or know. You don’t have a partner, you are a single parent and maybe running on empty. That’s quite scary for lots of us.
Add to that, the fact you don’t want to burden your friends too much with moaning and worries, and maybe they aren’t great at emotional and mental TLC. Or maybe you think what you are saying sounds stupid....
“I’m scared to get a job”
“Scared of what?”
“Don’t know. Everything. I’m so worried it has stopped me looking or doing anything. I worry all the time, I can’t sleep”
“Erm...Just go and get a job?”

See, it just sounds ridiculous.

I think they can be incredibly useful. But not the Instagram crap, or the business scamming bollocks.
I found David Goggins - hard as nails navy seal, inspiring to listen to. His message?

Yes it hurts. Keep going.

I can’t compare to him. I couldn’t be more different. I’m a soft as lard, middle aged single mum who likes overthinking everything. But his message got me through a very difficult time when all I could do was put one foot in front of the other. I’d listen to podcasts he was on. Be at the end of my tether and I’d find the strength and willpower to do that thing I thought I couldn’t.

I like the Savvy Psycologist. Lots of good practical advice. Happier with Gretchen Rubin is great too. They have all helped so much. Listening to them talk whilst walking my dog and probably crying, has got me through very dark times. I didn’t like all their episodes. I picked and chose what I listened to.

None of them are word salad though. Not even a hint. They all give advice and acknowledge pain. None of them say that theirs is the only and correct way. None of them are toxic positivity which is a particular hate of mine.

The waffle bullshit should be outlawed.

It’s easy to be judgemental about motivational speakers when you feel good about yourself and when you see the crappy ones (like bleeping Meg types) who say NOTHING. But the good ones? The ones based in science and psychology and medicine? They save lives. I genuinely believe that.

Its hard to tell a friend or family just how bad you feel. Or how mental you think you are - the shame, the humiliation, their worry. And then you gave to comfort that person and reassure them you are ok actually. Which feels worse because you have to look after their mental state because they can’t cope with what you say (who guessed I was talking about my mum? Gold star for you!)
This gave me a way of getting a boost and getting some great advice.
I did have to wade through vast amounts of tit to find those ones though. The bad far outweighs the good
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Love this post, spot on. I worry about the snowflake waffle wokey messages being put out there to the upcoming generation. It’s so unhelpful in a world that seems to get tougher and meaner. It gives them no survival skills whatsoever. I definitely subscribe to the David Goggins approach of “Yes it hurts. Keep going.” When I was a kid and my feelings got hurt the message was “sticks and stones will break your bones but words can never hurt you.” Kids today get their feelings hurt so easily, they are offended by literally everything.

There will always be winners and losers in life so the best thing we can teach is to learn to be a good loser. Meghan is a winner in some ways but is just not bleeping smart enough to know it cos people like Doria and Thomas told her she was special so she actually believes she’s better than anyone else and that’s where the disassociation comes in. She’s a narcissist with thin skin and that in my book makes her a bleeping loser. The losingest winner I ever dun saw!
 
freda19 said:
Some of the things scoobie claimed could of course be claimed to be poetic licence. The pissing in the bushes thing never sat right with me because they were staying in an upmarket place on that trip and nobody inexperienced and in their right mind wanders into the African bush to take a dump/piss ... so I think smeggy can easily disprove that Finding Freebies pissing story by revealing that they weren't camping and had no need to piss in the woods. Has she deliberately planted stories like that with scoobie that she could later easily refute the veracity of?
I know, it sounds very machiavellian, but she's a crafty bleep.
There again if she read the book and didn't sue scoobie's ass off for the personal flourishes then that is tacit approval.
My brain hurts.
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Good thinking (y) and every chance she has

Moronic said:
I try to watch but I just can’t. It’s worse that listening to nails on a blackboard 😖
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I've not watched in either, can I ask someone who was brave enough to watch if she mentioned Trumps comment about her and Hazza ?
 
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Bloody orange Hell said:
I don’t understand why everyone is excited about this latest ruling.
I don’t believe for one minute that Scabies, The Meg or one of the 5 witches will tell the truth under oath.
They’ve made it clear how much they hold this country, the laws, traditions and ‘etiquette’ in contempt. I don’t think any of them will be honest. They will all lie like MF. It’s unlikely they’ll ever be proved to be a liar. Scabies and The Meg in particular. They have made their lives lying and wreaking havoc. They will take the oath, lie and leave.

She isn’t on trial, she is suing the DM. I’m absolutely happy to be proved wrong. And I hope your optimism is better informed than my cynicism. By nature they are liars. Why would a UK court and oath change their habit of a lifetime?

The only one I think might spill is one of the 5 friends, if they are nervous. They might not be narcissistic schemers and may be feeling used. But it’s not a sure thing. Meg will be very careful to keep Scabies onside right now, even though it looks like she has thrown him under a bus in public. I think she will have worked out a deal or laid it on thick with him how important he is to her and Haz to keep his loyalty.

And as for her phone and messages. She might have had a burner phone for contacting Scabies. Given her own phone probably is connected to the Palace, I’m sure she is wise enough to do her dodgy dealings out of their reach.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope she gets hung out to dry. But I doubt it.
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I very much agree, but the 5 are the weak link. There must be at least one of them shitting bricks over this whole mess, and beliieve me there will be partners and parents going "Why dafuq are you sticking up for a woman who will happily dump old friends, ex husbands, immediate family and the in-laws and Brits who took her intotheir hearts? She wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. She'd warm her hands at the blaze and stroll on by." If it were me I'd be worried that any lie I told would be proven to be a lie and also that the press would delve further into my private life and past and go for the jugular if they unearthed my lies. We all have secrets we'd rather stayed back in the past and Hollyweird being weirder than normal humans theirs will be worse.
Yes she herself will lie. We watch her lying all the time, it comes easy and is part of her. I think if someone told he that there was a spell on her and all her hair and teeth would fall out if she tells a lie it would make no difference. For her and scooby lying to cover your ass is not lying, it's self preservation and doesn't count.
But yes, things are going too smoothly for my liking and I suspect a very bumpy ride for the Mail at the trial ... but oh my God do I hope not.
 
freda19 said:
Some of the things scoobie claimed could of course be claimed to be poetic licence. The pissing in the bushes thing never sat right with me because they were staying in an upmarket place on that trip and nobody inexperienced and in their right mind wanders into the African bush to take a dump/piss ... so I think smeggy can easily disprove that Finding Freebies pissing story by revealing that they weren't camping and had no need to piss in the woods. Has she deliberately planted stories like that with scoobie that she could later easily refute the veracity of?
I know, it sounds very machiavellian, but she's a crafty bleep.
There again if she read the book and didn't sue scoobie's ass off for the personal flourishes then that is tacit approval.
My brain hurts.
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Shame Smeggy didn't wander off for a piss in the jungle 😁 imagine her lost and getting bitten on the arse by a viper🤣
 
@spangly
I completely agree about the word vomit vacuous message type of speaker.
They make me furious! They say nothing but never stop talking and expect kudos and money in return for their bullshit. That type of hollering and whooping type. The almost religious fervour that people like Antony Robbins create...I agree, it is dangerous and poisonous. Making people think they are better than, can achieve goals that probably are unrealistic....all so long as you pay the £100+ for a ticket to see them talk.

I think the type of motivational podcast/speaker I listen to is different to that. I have no time for word salad and false positivity.

And we can all agree that no one needs Megatron telling them what they should do, what to believe, how they should live.
 
freda19 said:
I very much agree, but the 5 are the weak link. There must be at least one of them shitting bricks over this whole mess, and beliieve me there will be partners and parents going "Why dafuq are you sticking up for a woman who will happily dump old friends, ex husbands, immediate family and the in-laws and Brits who took her intotheir hearts? She wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. She'd warm her hands at the blaze and stroll on by." If it were me I'd be worried that any lie I told would be proven to be a lie and also that the press would delve further into my private life and past and go for the jugular if they unearthed my lies. We all have secrets we'd rather stayed back in the past and Hollyweird being weirder than normal humans theirs will be worse.
Yes she herself will lie. We watch her lying all the time, it comes easy and is part of her. I think if someone told he that there was a spell on her and all her hair and teeth would fall out if she tells a lie it would make no difference. For her and scooby lying to cover your ass is not lying, it's self preservation and doesn't count.
But yes, things are going too smoothly for my liking and I suspect a very bumpy ride for the Mail at the trial ... but oh my God do I hope not.
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You are so right about people who habitually lie.
I used to work with a woman who was a compulsive liar (and could never be wrong about anything). 🙄

On one occasion she was late to work and missed an appointment with a customer which I mentioned to her. Holy tit this woman then went round the entire department repeating that she wasn't late and loads of them who didn't witness the situation all agreed with her and I was in the wrong for suggesting it. 🤨

My experience with that witch taught me that some people just think that if they repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.
 
Palpatine said:
Ask him why he lied about his age and also why he looks like a Poundland version of Voldemort. That should do it (y) 🤪
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Loooool 😄 I had to make this 😄
Is he filling his nails 🤭
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