Discontent #14 food, energy, transport, cost of living, society etc

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I think eventually to solve the obesity crisis and costs to the NHS they'll just prescribe those weight loss drugs ozempic etc. I think for a couple of generations fat cells and brain receptors have changed beyond repair and those people will never be a healthy weight without being on medication for life.
 
Kittylover2019 said:
I went to a show last night and in the interval I commented to my husband about the size of a lot of people there. It was around 1/3 if not more of people overweight or obese. You can blame health issues for a tiny minority but the rest……?
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The majority is laziness. Not moving enough and eating too much.

Personally I worry about making so many people dependent on injections such as ozempic. The second they stop taking it the weight will pile back on because behaviours haven’t changed. It takes away all personal accountability
 
Well it will be interesting to see what'll happen with all these weight loss jabs and obesity rates for the next few years. The diet industry has been killed by them, which isn't a bad thing seeing as it never worked anyway.

I'm sure the injection don't come without long term side affects, I just saw LaToya on my feed and she looks very unwell. Apparently it's ozemic, but who knows.
 
bananabutter said:
The majority is laziness. Not moving enough and eating too much.
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because ALL fat people are inheritly lazy & stupid, yes?

Some have struggled with their weight, poor self esteem, self loathing & poor mental health thinking exactly the same about themselves, as until recently, that's what all the health professionals told them too. Probably not as direct as that, but that fat, stupid person knew what they really meant.

Only now are we learning about ultra processed food & the harm it can cause to so many, actually changing the physical response to some foodstuffs & addictions being formed.

Eat less, move more, it's so bleeping simple isn't it?!

No, it's an incredibly complicated issue for many unfortunately.
 
IfTheCapFits said:
because ALL fat people are inheritly lazy & stupid, yes?

Some have struggled with their weight, poor self esteem, self loathing & poor mental health thinking exactly the same about themselves, as until recently, that's what all the health professionals told them too. Probably not as direct as that, but that fat, stupid person knew what they really meant.

Only now are we learning about ultra processed food & the harm it can cause to so many, actually changing the physical response to some foodstuffs & addictions being formed.

Eat less, move more, it's so bleeping simple isn't it?!

No, it's an incredibly complicated issue for many unfortunately.
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I never said anything about stupidity. You’ve just made that up.

The fact of the matter is, a lot of people move a lot less than they should, and have a higher calorie intake than they’re expelling. And that’s why we have an obesity crisis. Not every obese person has a health issue preventing them from losing weight which is an umbrella that the majority seems to hide behind.

I stand by my opinion. People need to take responsibility for their decisions and make effort to improve their own lives rather than rattling off every excuse under the sun about processed food, lack of education, not living near a gym etc etc. Maybe let’s just agree to disagree
 
IfTheCapFits said:
because ALL fat people are inheritly lazy & stupid, yes?

Some have struggled with their weight, poor self esteem, self loathing & poor mental health thinking exactly the same about themselves, as until recently, that's what all the health professionals told them too. Probably not as direct as that, but that fat, stupid person knew what they really meant.

Only now are we learning about ultra processed food & the harm it can cause to so many, actually changing the physical response to some foodstuffs & addictions being formed.

Eat less, move more, it's so bleeping simple isn't it?!

No, it's an incredibly complicated issue for many unfortunately.
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This. The food companies have invested billions into perfecting what's known as the bliss point, which is the quantities of fat, salt, and/or sugar in a processed food that releases the maximum amount of dopamine, making the brain crave more of it. We don't call people addicted to drugs or alcohol 'lazy', we give them help.

As for the weight loss drugs, there appears to be a correlation with pancreas inflammation, and having nearly diedfrom pancreatitis a couple of years ago, I would counsel anyone looking into them to be careful if they have any existing pancreatic issues, as it's something I wouldn't even wish on my ex-husband!
 
I can’t understand how so many people are injecting themselves the thought terrifies me. Also (not a HCP at all so this isn’t an informed opinion) isn’t it bad for you? Like the introduction of potential germs into your blood stream and other issues? The whole thing freaks me out - I can’t believe how quickly it’s become very mainstream!

Same applies with these migrating fillers so this isn’t fatphobic just medicalphobic!
 
It’s a very fine needle and you should have clean hands/clean skin. It’s only once a week. People inject other health drugs much more frequently eg insulin.

My dad is on one for his diabeties and it’s really helping.

As for the obesity issues, it’s complicated for ten fold reasons. Not everyone who is obese is because they are lazy and greedy. I thought we had gotten past that opinion.
 
We are so time poor in the modern world that convenience wins out a lot of the time for many and I guess habits that are ok in your 20s are not as forgiving in your 30s onwards.

So many parents I know have to drive the school run because theyre rushing to work. Kids have numerous extra curriculars that often you are on the go from 6am until 8 or 9pm at night.

I notice if I have annual leave from work my step count goes through the roof compared to my usual, I also cook from scratch a lot more as I have the time to slow down and enjoy life.

Unfortunately I need to work to pay my bills and yes its often easier to throw some chicken nuggets and waffles in the air fryer at 6pm when Ive been awake for over 12 hours or so and still got a million and one things to do.

Im sure there are lots of people who will say they are cooking from scratch for every meal and exercising every day and honestly good for them. I applaud it but right now at the stage I am at, there just arent enough hours in the day 😬
 
heretoreaditall2019 said:
I can’t understand how so many people are injecting themselves the thought terrifies me. Also (not a HCP at all so this isn’t an informed opinion) isn’t it bad for you? Like the introduction of potential germs into your blood stream and other issues? The whole thing freaks me out - I can’t believe how quickly it’s become very mainstream!

Same applies with these migrating fillers so this isn’t fatphobic just medicalphobic!
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It’s been life changing for a lot of people though, especially those with PCOS.
 
whyhellothere83 said:
It’s been life changing for a lot of people though, especially those with PCOS.
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Not 💩ing on the medicine itself, I have no idea about it, just the act of injecting yourself feels SO intensely scary/dangerous to me that I’m surprised it’s had the sort of mainstream uptake it has?! But then again fillers are p mainstream and that’s largely just having anyone inject anything into you so maybe I’m the odd one out here!
 
heretoreaditall2019 said:
Not 💩ing on the medicine itself, I have no idea about it, just the act of injecting yourself feels SO intensely scary/dangerous to me that I’m surprised it’s had the sort of mainstream uptake it has?! But then again fillers are p mainstream and that’s largely just having anyone inject anything into you so maybe I’m the odd one out here!
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It's a subcutaneous injection, so not too difficult to do. I had to inject myself every evening at home with blood thinners for about 2 months after I was discharged from hospital, but they wouldn't discharge me until I'd demonstrated that I could do it correctly. That sort of instruction and supervision is what might be missing in the private prescriptions for weightloss drugs.
 
Falkor said:
It's a subcutaneous injection, so not too difficult to do. I had to inject myself every evening at home with blood thinners for about 2 months after I was discharged from hospital, but they wouldn't discharge me until I'd demonstrated that I could do it correctly. That sort of instruction and supervision is what might be missing in the private prescriptions for weightloss drugs.
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Firstly hope you’re feeling better now 💐 but you reminded me I had some weird claw foot injections after I was poorly, they were a pen format, was that what yours were like? Thankfully my husband did them on my tummy (where they suggested it, not sure if that was because it was an abdominal surgery tho?) - have no idea how we got through that horror lol. But likewise him doing it was a pre requisite to discharge, alongside managing a successful #2. The glamour lol.

Back on subject sorry lol the self injecting thing for what feels like largely self prescribed/obtained drugs just makes me think of the testosterone stuff that was big a few years back and gives me the heeby jeebies. None of this is quantifiable criticism from an informed place btw just squeamish shudders !
 
I am, thank you - it was a couple of years ago, I had acute pancreatitis caused by off-the-scale triglyceride levels. Not recommended! Mine were also in the stomach from an individual pen-style needle, and really stingy. I guess it's because that's an area where it would be difficult to accidentally inject into a vein?
 
IfTheCapFits said:
Only now are we learning about ultra processed food & the harm it can cause to so many, actually changing the physical response to some foodstuffs & addictions being formed.
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Only now? Come on, we've known about the crap being put into low cost and convenient foods for donkeys years. Jamie Oliver was wanging on about it in school dinners nearly 20 years ago.
 
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