Dan Wheeler 8020 #3 Drugs, mantrums & lies. NOT qualified to medically advise.

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DMcK1609 said:
Folks,

Following the emails I sent to Dan recently, I received a phone call from him today.
We agreed to disagree on a couple of points. Namely that a) I feel he should have addressed the Carla situation publicly. He assures me that he did speak to her following the unfortunate statements she made and that she is not a paid member of his staff b) the drug use on a business platform. I will say no more on this matter as he believes that being open attracts like minded individuals c) the recipes, I did not realise that Dan had a partnership with Dr Monica Bravo which led to his recipe book. My TrustPilot review had been edited to reflect our call today and I will no longer participate in any social media discussion of a negative nature relating to Dan or the 8020 lifestyle plan. Dan has left the door open for me to revisit the plan with access to additional resources should I wish to do so in the future.
All the best folks 🙂
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This is very odd, and I'm concerned you were intimidated either by the call itself or something he said to you. For your sake I hope not.

However, something glaring here is how he thinks Carla's death threats were "unfortunate" as I can't think of a more inappropriate word for her behaviour. I note he didn't seem to mention Dan's threats of fabricating claims of paedophilia... I don't doubt he's spoken to Carla, but by his track record I can only imagine that conversation was more in the vein of laughing about it and that there was no repercussions. At the very least he should be letting her go (by her claims, she DOES work for him, even if in payment she's just getting the plan for free), and if he were a decent business man (and human being!) he would be getting her to apologise, and making his own statement about her conduct.

He's a narcissist. They are incredibly good at manipulation and gaslighting. I really worry you've been a victim of this. I'd like to say, we'll also leave the door open if (when...) he turns on you.
 
Coconutclub said:
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So not that easy to get Melatonin from the doctor then 🤔
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My 6 year old child with autism and developmental delays is on melatonin, 4mg. His gp couldn't prescribe it, apparently they aren't allowed so it had to be prescribed/okay'd by his lead paediatrician consultant. It took over a month to get the medication from her first suggesting it. So when I was on the 8020 plan, I really didn't agree with taking melatonin if you really don't need it. I witnessed the difficulties and by that I mean the absolute torture and fear my son went through at bed time and it took hours to fall asleep and the only thing that's consistently kept him less anxious and able to fall asleep is melatonin. I just never even entertained the idea of taking it.
 
Followthespiders said:
My 6 year old child with autism and developmental delays is on melatonin, 4mg. His gp couldn't prescribe it, apparently they aren't allowed so it had to be prescribed/okay'd by his lead paediatrician consultant. It took over a month to get the medication from her first suggesting it. So when I was on the 8020 plan, I really didn't agree with taking melatonin if you really don't need it. I witnessed the difficulties and by that I mean the absolute torture and fear my son went through at bed time and it took hours to fall asleep and the only thing that's consistently kept him less anxious and able to fall asleep is melatonin. I just never even entertained the idea of taking it.
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Exactly. No one should take any controlled medication that they haven't been prescribed. Particularly not on the advice of someone completely unqualified.

Melatonin is contraindicated in those who are pregnant, breastfeeding, have autoimmune diseases or renal/hepatic impairment. It can also increase BP if taken in conjunction with some other meds, can increase risk in those with bleeding disorders or who experience seizures. It can make depression worse, it can raise blood sugars. It can react with some birth control pills, resulting in too much melatonin in the body.

This is not a supplement, it's a medication and is controlled for a reason. A prescription comes with consideration for the individual, as well as a specific dosage and treatment period. You can't just take whatever amount for whatever period of time.

It has common side effects which include increased risk of infection and joint pain.

And this is in legit products. God knows what you're getting buying it on the Internet.
 
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Pashion8 said:
That second comment has now got 10 likes ...oh and first one now has 19. Well thats 29 people not signing up
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Literally the only person there with a healthy meal is the one not on the plan...

Coconutclub said:
This exactly!

Same as the perception of the 'trolls' being uptight women who don't have sex and if they did as per Stephanie's comment then the trolling stops - all misogynistic.

He's making £20 for everyone of them that signs up - its painful to watch (and embarrassing)
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This is 100% it.

Plus, we're not the ones with sex lives so abysmal that we need to pay someone like Whanker to teach us about our own bodies 🤮

Feel sorry for ya, huns!
 
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JCMSadie said:
Literally the only person there with a healthy meal is the one not on the plan...



This is 100% it.

Plus, we're not the ones with sex lives so abysmal that we need to pay someone like Whanker to teach us about our own bodies 🤮

Feel sorry for ya, huns!
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Having sufered endometriosis for god knows how many years, I know my body too well... as does my gynecologist who has ridiculously big hands 😆😆🤣🤣
 
JCMSadie said:
Literally the only person there with a healthy meal is the one not on the plan...
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Sam hasn’t got anything to eat! Do you think she’s made an excuse ‘I won’t eat I’ve got to leave soon!’ She wants to get home early so she can just scream in to her pillow for a while whilst she’s alone #freeSam

(sorry I can’t stop making up all these stories in my head about them all, it’s so hard to work out wtf is going on half the time)
 
i used to watch Dan’s lives every day, after I’d try and cram in my 10,000 steps (that you HAVE to do, as apparently calories can’t be worked out for less than 10,000 steps) between dropping my kids to school and going to work, and my husband used to listen and tell me how much tripe he was talking. I would literally sit and watch his lives of him getting pissed with Sam, and he would just roll his eyes and tell me he’s running a cult and why is he only aiming it at women and how what he’s saying isn’t correct. My husband is a professional sportsman and would literally tell me the facts and how things work and I would categorically ignore him and tell him some guy off TikTok is the most qualified and experienced person In the UK😂😂😂he now spends his evenings reading through tattle with me with a smug face telling me he was right, it’s the highlight of his day😂😂
 
Coconutclub said:
Sam hasn’t got anything to eat! Do you think she’s made an excuse ‘I won’t eat I’ve got to leave soon!’ She wants to get home early so she can just scream in to her pillow for a while whilst she’s alone #freeSam

(sorry I can’t stop making up all these stories in my head about them all, it’s so hard to work out wtf is going on half the time)
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Are they doing lives whilst out now? God, get a life
 
Aaryhaflint said:
i used to watch Dan’s lives every day, after I’d try and cram in my 10,000 steps (that you HAVE to do, as apparently calories can’t be worked out for less than 10,000 steps) between dropping my kids to school and going to work, and my husband used to listen and tell me how much tripe he was talking. I would literally sit and watch his lives of him getting pissed with Sam, and he would just roll his eyes and tell me he’s running a cult and why is he only aiming it at women and how what he’s saying isn’t correct. My husband is a professional sportsman and would literally tell me the facts and how things work and I would categorically ignore him and tell him some guy off TikTok is the most qualified and experienced person In the UK😂😂😂he now spends his evenings reading through tattle with me with a smug face telling me he was right, it’s the highlight of his day😂😂
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This is amazing 😅🤣🤣 bet hubby is loving it!
 
Aaryhaflint said:
i used to watch Dan’s lives every day, after I’d try and cram in my 10,000 steps (that you HAVE to do, as apparently calories can’t be worked out for less than 10,000 steps) between dropping my kids to school and going to work, and my husband used to listen and tell me how much tripe he was talking. I would literally sit and watch his lives of him getting pissed with Sam, and he would just roll his eyes and tell me he’s running a cult and why is he only aiming it at women and how what he’s saying isn’t correct. My husband is a professional sportsman and would literally tell me the facts and how things work and I would categorically ignore him and tell him some guy off TikTok is the most qualified and experienced person In the UK😂😂😂he now spends his evenings reading through tattle with me with a smug face telling me he was right, it’s the highlight of his day😂😂
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My inner nosey bastard needs to know what sport.😆
 
TalktomeGoose606 said:
Are they doing lives whilst out now? God, get a life
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Nah, it was a Phattdan tiktok. Thank god it wasn't a live, can only imagine how intellectually stimulating that dinner party must have been!

TalktomeGoose606 said:
My inner nosey bastard needs to know what sport.😆
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Not rowing, as we know Whanker holds ALL the world records and titles for that 🤣🤣
 
Aaryhaflint said:
i used to watch Dan’s lives every day, after I’d try and cram in my 10,000 steps (that you HAVE to do, as apparently calories can’t be worked out for less than 10,000 steps) between dropping my kids to school and going to work, and my husband used to listen and tell me how much tripe he was talking. I would literally sit and watch his lives of him getting pissed with Sam, and he would just roll his eyes and tell me he’s running a cult and why is he only aiming it at women and how what he’s saying isn’t correct. My husband is a professional sportsman and would literally tell me the facts and how things work and I would categorically ignore him and tell him some guy off TikTok is the most qualified and experienced person In the UK😂😂😂he now spends his evenings reading through tattle with me with a smug face telling me he was right, it’s the highlight of his day😂😂
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Speaking of cults... watch the video he done on 7th June. He admits his business is like a cult and he is the leader.
 
Pashion8 said:
Speaking of cults... watch the video he done on 7th June. He admits his business is like a cult and he is the leader.
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I just don’t get it, does he genuinely think he’s any different to slimming world and all these other things he slates? He is ripping people off telling them they’re maintenance calories, something he knows people can google for free, yet charges a ridiculous amount and has women up his hole left right and centre. I would not be happy if I was Sam. The way he talks to other women and openly flirts. It’s just disrespectful.
 
GeordieMunchkin666 said:
I kept waiting for the punchline...thinking she was writing it tongue in cheek...but there was no punchline... 😔
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Same here!

JCMSadie said:
This is very odd, and I'm concerned you were intimidated either by the call itself or something he said to you. For your sake I hope not.
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Agree, it just sounds very familiar from what I've heard from others along the way. My guess is he called her, asked her to 'cease and desist' and post this statement, or else he will get the lawyers onto her. And unfortunately, even though we all know he has no grounds it's still quite scary to hear, for the same reasons so many of us are still remaining anonymous...
 
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