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heretoreaditall2019 said:
I read the first comment before that specific scene had come on… and I just didn’t feel for him at all. I did find it bizarre that even in the early 90s they managed to spin up custom merch celebrating him tho, and I didn’t fully understand what that magazine was? Was it a zine he produced or “fan content”?!

Do you guys reckon you’ll watch the JWG series that appears to be following this? Didn’t he mainly murder children? :/ I don’t think I could watch that.
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His victims were aged between 14-21.

I'm watching Dahmer at the moment, tough watch but very impressed with Evan.
 
whisperchat said:
yeah I know what you mean. It was the way he just kinda accepted it too and didn’t even try and fight back.
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From what I’ve read, he wanted to die. He wanted the death penalty but they didn’t have it in his state
 
Greencatfysh said:
I think night stalker is far more scary because it was totally random. Gacy is quite a niche story and interesting psychologically because he was this trusted guy in the community and his targets trusted him too.
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Yes thats why i am intrigued, I like the psychology behind it all, so would like to learn more about Gacy. I agree it was the randomness of the night stalker and how easily he gained access to peoples homes, I checked my doors about 20 times.

Moongirl69 said:
I read a lot of true crime but I read a book about the BTK murderer years ago and it scared the 💩 out of me!
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I struggle to look at any pictures from the crime evidence, even the ones of him I sort of peek at, that mask was creep AF.

Moongirl69 said:
Re BTK it was the stalking element for me; watching peoples' routines to ambush them at home. It really creeped me out.
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I watched another series (cannot rem the name) about a serial rapist and at the end one of the ladies asked why her? What could she have done differently to protect herself? He actually said her routine, he knew her every move, what time she left for work, what time she came home. Scary.

Do you think its because we are all somewhat normal humans with no disorders, that sometimes we feel emotional for killers? I don't know what it is, but the likes of Dahmer and Unabomber I felt a bit for, everything they did was wrong and they deserved jail. Unabomber had a difficult childhood being experimented on and abused, he refused to say he was mentally ill as he wanted his papers printed and I kind of agree with what he said in parts about government control, I watched the manhunt series and when they put him in solitary, my heart felt a bit for him.
Why am I like this? Others however I feel nothing for, Bundy and his mother make me sick. Toy box killer, he deserved the chair.
 
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Comewhinewithme said:
Yes thats why i am intrigued, I like the psychology behind it all, so would like to learn more about Gacy. I agree it was the randomness of the night stalker and how easily he gained access to peoples homes, I checked my doors about 20 times.


I struggle to look at any pictures from the crime evidence, even the ones of him I sort of peek at, that mask was creep AF.


I watched another series (cannot rem the name) about a serial rapist and at the end one of the ladies asked why her? What could she have done differently to protect herself? He actually said her routine, he knew her every move, what time she left for work, what time she came home. Scary.

Do you think its because we are all somewhat normal humans with no disorders, that sometimes we feel emotional for killers? I don't know what it is, but the likes of Dahmer and Unabomber I felt a bit for, everything they did was wrong and they deserved jail. Unabomber had a difficult childhood being experimented on and abused, he refused to say he was mentally ill as he wanted his papers printed and I kind of agree with what he said in parts about government control, I watched the manhunt series and when they put him in solitary, my heart felt a bit for him.
Why am I like this? Others however I feel nothing for, Bundy and his mother make me sick. Toy box killer, he deserved the chair.
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I think you feel that way because you are a good person and have empathy. You wonder if their lives had been any different could they have gone down another path or were they destined to always do evil? It separates you against them who seemingly had zero empathy. We all need people like you in the world, who try and see the good and want to see that people can be helped.

I agree with you about Bundy, I can't find anything thst could have been saved in him. Sick f***.
 
Upintheair83 said:
I think you feel that way because you are a good person and have empathy. You wonder if their lives had been any different could they have gone down another path or were they destined to always do evil? It separates you against them who seemingly had zero empathy. We all need people like you in the world, who try and see the good and want to see that people can be helped.

I agree with you about Bundy, I can't find anything thst could have been saved in him. Sick f***.
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I think it’s also because when you watch a tv series whether it’s dramatised or not, the producers have an angle they want to make you feel which clearly works! Watch MindHunter if you haven’t already and the contrast there is looking at them clinically so you don’t feel that empathy. The Ed Kemper interview on that is so amazing (apparently he was very charismatic) and then when you google what he actually did…
 
Greencatfysh said:
I think it’s also because when you watch a tv series whether it’s dramatised or not, the producers have an angle they want to make you feel which clearly works! Watch MindHunter if you haven’t already and the contrast there is looking at them clinically so you don’t feel that empathy. The Ed Kemper interview on that is so amazing (apparently he was very charismatic) and then when you google what he actually did…
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Yeah and I can’t imagine how painful it must be for the families to have “him” receive so much screen time and all the nuances of his character and situation explored so the audience can find empathy, whilst their loved ones are just collateral damage in his story.

That really struck me was the final slide where they showed all 17/8 victims with their names and DOB & DOD in the tiniest of fonts. The Tony episode was good for featuring the victim but… there are a lot of other victims that barely got air time. I couldn’t tell you anything about anyone but Tony? They made some of the victims look like arseholes (the hitch hiker?) whilst framing JD as the troubled neglected teen. Whilst he was, idk if I agree that’s responsible. ETA - remembered the brothers whose family came over on the boat, but is their immigration status really “knowing them”?

Also as a survivor of child abuse/neglect I always feel sick when people frame these sorts of offending patterns as the inevitable result of abuse. Lots of us go on to live healthy productive lives, the majority of us do in fact, and imo it burdens victims of child abuse with needless additional shame.

Sorry for essay, but 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
Greencatfysh said:
I think it’s also because when you watch a tv series whether it’s dramatised or not, the producers have an angle they want to make you feel which clearly works! Watch MindHunter if you haven’t already and the contrast there is looking at them clinically so you don’t feel that empathy. The Ed Kemper interview on that is so amazing (apparently he was very charismatic) and then when you google what he actually did…
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I have started Mindhunter 10 times never get past 10mins, I know its going to scare me so I chicken out.
I know what you mean clinically I may feel differently.
Definitely with the Unabomber I felt like a relief that people wrote him and supported his manifest, and that he had a way to pass his time, he was mentally ill. Saying that if it was my family he'd killed I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be saying this. Emotions are strange.
 
Comewhinewithme said:
I have started Mindhunter 10 times never get past 10mins, I know its going to scare me so I chicken out.
I know what you mean clinically I may feel differently.
Definitely with the Unabomber I felt like a relief that people wrote him and supported his manifest, and that he had a way to pass his time, he was mentally ill. Saying that if it was my family he'd killed I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be saying this. Emotions are strange.
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True. And also a serial killer in the sense of murdering them with your hands/dismembering them/necrophilia is seen as more brutal and psychopathic than the unabomber who’s murders were remote. He was also intelligent and had a “political” motive so I think we give him more leeway. Saying that, some of the worst serial killers still have armies of fans once they’re jailed 🤢
P.S mindhunter is SO worth it, it’s not nearly as gory and scary as Dahmer.
 
Upintheair83 said:
I think you feel that way because you are a good person and have empathy. You wonder if their lives had been any different could they have gone down another path or were they destined to always do evil? It separates you against them who seemingly had zero empathy. We all need people like you in the world, who try and see the good and want to see that people can be helped.

I agree with you about Bundy, I can't find anything thst could have been saved in him. Sick f***.
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That's really nicely put, when you see the monsters that walk among us we really do need more good people in this world.
 
heretoreaditall2019 said:
Also as a survivor of child abuse/neglect I always feel sick when people frame these sorts of offending patterns as the inevitable result of abuse. Lots of us go on to live healthy productive lives, the majority of us do in fact, and imo it burdens victims of child abuse with needless additional shame.
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When interviewed, Dahmer often makes it VERY clear he didn't experience childhood abuse or trauma. He said this many times. He didn't experience any significant trauma nor was he abused as a child.
 
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