Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #98

Do you think 'freedom day' July 19th will go ahead

  • Yes

    Votes: 170 56.3%

  • No

    Votes: 71 23.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 61 20.2%
  • Total voters
    302
  • Poll closed .
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typenowregretlater said:
Wait is this the anti-vax and/or covid conspiracy and/or masks/social distancing is a form of control thread?
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People need to realise that not everyone is comfortable with all restrictions being dropped suddenly, when our cases are rising so much and that is OKAY. If people want to social distance and wear masks in certain settings that is OKAY.
 
Prefrontalmedialcortex said:
There is nothing pathetic about people that may feel anxious or stressed about the change in restrictions.
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Disagree, they knew it was coming. If they were worried they shouldn't be booking the theatre in the first place.

They are no better than the scum who excitingly booked restaurants on previous "opening" days but then bottled it at the last minute.
 
HoGi said:
What about compassion and empathy for the businesses that haven't made any money for 16 months?

It's wrong to ask for a refund for tickets booked or moved to this year just because there won't be social distancing/masks.
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It’s wrong to call people pathetic and scum. I have compassion and empathy for businesses and people that are affected. You don’t know what the reason is for people wanting refunds - you don’t what is happening in people’s personal lives.
 
Prefrontalmedialcortex said:
It’s wrong to call people pathetic and scum. I have compassion and empathy for businesses and people that are affected. You don’t know what the reason is for people wanting refunds - you don’t what is happening in people’s personal lives.
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Correct but this is specifically in a discussion to people booking shows, theatre tickets and restaurants and then asking for refunds if there is no social distancing. Not asking for a refund because they have lost their job or issues in their personal life etc.

Asking for a refund because the business will be operating in accordance to the legal removal of restrictions is completely abhorrent in my opinion. As the OP said, if they wouldn't be happy attending with no restrictions then they shouldn't have been booking tickets or they should book 4 seats for 2 people to ensure they have spare seats.
 
Pixipoppy said:
I appreciate the anxiety, but if that truly is the case you could wear a fitted FP3 mask yourself (or the vulnerable people you mention anyway)? Wearing that even if others aren’t wearing theirs probably will offer you more protection alone. Also even now people aren’t wearing them properly, taking them off to eat/drink etc - it is truly creating a false sense of security that’s become a bit of a comfort blanket to a lot of people.
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I appreciate what you are saying and do plan to get a couple of FP3 masks, as I don't have to use public transport so would only use for a food shop but I do know plenty who have underlying conditions that have no choice but to use public transport and are on the lower income end. The price of these masks in isolation looks low but if you have to have 5 a week the cost still mounts. For the while at least they will be protected to some extent.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
Cases have stagnated in the 30,000s. I cannot see them going much higher with a full reopening. Especially not to 100,000 a day. They will drop like a stone over the next month as more jabs are given.

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Maybe I just don’t have a good head for numbers but surely there will come a point where everyone has either had it, has anti bodies or has been double jabbed? We can’t be that far off.
 
AllSeeingEye123 said:
Well more fool them. We cannot stay under restrictions to protect those who don't want it.
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A person choice get the jab is their own perogative however the government make sweeping statements all vulnerable have groups 1-9 been jabbed.
Some may have good medical reasons
Some maybe skeptics
The point is in that area not sure they meant London specific or south east thats the age group thats most likely take up bed in hospital if they do catch covid.
On plus side London has more hospitals than other areas.

On Andrew marr show today discussed
Hospitalisations 38% in hospital are over 55 15% are over 75 - Nadhim Zahawi on Sky.

Now do we assume they are all covid deniers and vaccine hesitant?

When Boris said hes severed link with vaccines he hasent.
Think either whitty or valence said weakened.

The total up to date vaccination for whole UK is 68.1% 1st dose and 52% 2nd dose.
Recent articles telegraph cited just 1 doses as being just 10% effective against delta the UK most dominant strain.
And that phizer and az 2 jabs less than 70% think 67%.
We know some double jabbed people in hospital or sadly died but they keeping those figures close to their chest the narrative is they chose not to have vaccine
When there's some good reasons maybe why some turned down vaccines on medical advice from their doctors.

They may say a small % end up hospital when have 100k cases a day that % = large number which could well put extra strain on the NHS.

Why they couldn't wait until everyone had 2nd jabs.
I'm in 40s and 2nd jab due couple of weeks.
Reducing masks and social distancing idiotic as that cost the government nothing.

The poor saps who get long covid will need NHS and disability benefits that probably equal more than they think the economy can make short term.
Nkt sure how you can have healthy economy with so many sick people.
 

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fireflies said:
A person choice get the jab is their own perogative however the government make sweeping statements all vulnerable have groups 1-9 been jabbed.
Some may have good medical reasons
Some maybe skeptics
The point is in that area not sure they meant London specific or south east thats the age group thats most likely take up bed in hospital if they do catch covid.
On plus side London has more hospitals than other areas.

On Andrew marr show today discussed
Hospitalisations 38% in hospital are over 55 15% are over 75 - Nadhim Zahawi on Sky.

Now do we assume they are all covid deniers and vaccine hesitant?

When Boris said hes severed link with vaccines he hasent.
Think either whitty or valence said weakened.

The total up to date vaccination for whole UK is 68.1% 1st dose and 52% 2nd dose.
Recent articles telegraph cited just 1 doses as being just 10% effective against delta the UK most dominant strain.
And that phizer and az 2 jabs less than 70% think 67%.
We know some double jabbed people in hospital or sadly died but they keeping those figures close to their chest the narrative is they chose not to have vaccine
When there's some good reasons maybe why some turned down vaccines on medical advice from their doctors.

They may say a small % end up hospital when have 100k cases a day that % = large number which could well put extra strain on the NHS.

Why they couldn't wait until everyone had 2nd jabs.
I'm in 40s and 2nd jab due couple of weeks.
Reducing masks and social distancing idiotic as that cost the government nothing.

The poor saps who get long covid will need NHS and disability benefits that probably equal more than they think the economy can make short term.
Nkt sure how you can have healthy economy with so many sick people.
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If we wait for everyone to have both doses then we have to wait to everyone to have their booster because their first dose will slowly wear off. Then it’s winter so we stay locked down. Then we have another booster. Repeat infinitely. The people left who haven’t had their vaccines yet are not clinically vulnerable - yes they may get it but they will likely not need hospitalisation. We don’t need to shield people from becoming poorly - illness exists… it’s part of life. I’ve had horrible illnesses where I’ve been bedridden for weeks, I’d never expect society to stay shut just so I didn’t have to go through what was a minor ailment in the grand scheme of things. If people are worried about getting ill they can choose to continue wearing masks, ordering online, keeping their distance, practising good hygiene measures. No one is forcing anyone to go and lick a stranger.
 
Also, the notion that mask wearing and social distancing costs the government nothing is just not correct and a very narrow way of viewing things.

Night clubs and theatres cannot run at full capacity with social distancing and even if you remove that, people will not attend in the same numbers as if masks were not required. Less people means less staff required and less income which means more furlough needing to be paid or unemployment benefits.

So it absolutely does cost the government to continue with even the most minor measures when it comes to businesses which cannot thrive with them in place.
 
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