Caroline Flack - Her Life And Death Documentary

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Question to everyone.
wonder if it’s time to close this thread now, like we did her celebrity thread?

it’s going back over old ground, who did what, which boyfriend did what, the stuff she’d do in the past, and this topic has been exhausted and discussed to death,

now the show is over is it time to let her rest in peace?
Personally, I’m confused what the point of the documentary was,
it seemed like a family who needed to explain how much she struggled, to show how vulnerable and damaged Caroline really was as a child, and then adult,
I hope it was therapeutic for them, but it was nothing we didn’t know, they just laid it all bare, and in some ways it looked like she was always destined to meet this kind of end.

they media need to let her rest in peace, her family need to begin to heal, other celebrities need to stop using her name or story when it suits them to do so, when they’ve never experienced even an ounce of the mental struggles she did.

I was uncomfortable seeing Lorraine Kelly and Grahame Norton singled out like they were, for very innocent comments and jokes, and then watching Lorraine get abuse on twitter for it.
so what was the teachable moment if the show itself made a new victim.

I wanted to start the conversation knowing the documentary would be talked about, but us here, knowing it will eventually start going back over the grim details all over again.
it feels wrong.
 
Oohthedrama said:
Question to everyone.
wonder if it’s time to close this thread now, like we did her celebrity thread?

it’s going back over old ground, who did what, which boyfriend did what, the stuff she’d do in the past, these been and this topic has been exhausted and discussed to death,

now the show is over is it time to let her rest in peace?
Personally, I’m confused what the point of the documentary was,
it seemed like a family who needed to explain how much she struggled, to show how vulnerable and damaged Caroline really was as a child, and then adult,
I hope it was therapeutic for them, but it was nothing we didn’t know, they just laid it all bare, and in some ways it looked like she was always destined to meet this kind of end.

they media need to let her rest in peace, her family need to begin to heal, other celebrities need to stop using her name or story when it suits them to do so, when they’ve never experienced even an ounce of the mental struggles she did.

I was uncomfortable seeing Lorraine Kelly and Grahame Norton singled out like they were, for very innocent comments and jokes, and then watching Lorraine get abuse on twitter for it.
so what was the teachable moment if the show itself made a new victim.

I wanted to start the conversation knowing the documentary would be talked about, but us here, knowing it will eventually start going back over the grim details all over again.
it feels wrong.
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I agree.
I think the documentary was pointless and has actually done a huge disservice to Caroline as a person and to the wider conversation around mental ill health/depression/suicide etc

I think everyone- her family & loved ones, the press & media at large, influencers and clingers on using her name & death for clout - everyone needs to now draw a line in the sand and let the woman rest in peace.
 
Oohthedrama said:
Question to everyone.
wonder if it’s time to close this thread now, like we did her celebrity thread?

it’s going back over old ground, who did what, which boyfriend did what, the stuff she’d do in the past, these been and this topic has been exhausted and discussed to death,

now the show is over is it time to let her rest in peace?
Personally, I’m confused what the point of the documentary was,
it seemed like a family who needed to explain how much she struggled, to show how vulnerable and damaged Caroline really was as a child, and then adult,
I hope it was therapeutic for them, but it was nothing we didn’t know, they just laid it all bare, and in some ways it looked like she was always destined to meet this kind of end.

they media need to let her rest in peace, her family need to begin to heal, other celebrities need to stop using her name or story when it suits them to do so, when they’ve never experienced even an ounce of the mental struggles she did.

I was uncomfortable seeing Lorraine Kelly and Grahame Norton singled out like they were, for very innocent comments and jokes, and then watching Lorraine get abuse on twitter for it.
so what was the teachable moment if the show itself made a new victim.

I wanted to start the conversation knowing the documentary would be talked about, but us here, knowing it will eventually start going back over the grim details all over again.
it feels wrong.
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I agree.
 
BettyCrockerr said:
I agree.
I think the documentary was pointless and has actually done a huge disservice to Caroline as a person and to the wider conversation around mental ill health/depression/suicide etc

I think everyone- her family & loved ones, the press & media at large, influencers and clingers on using her name & death for clout - everyone needs to now draw a line in the sand and let the woman rest in peace.
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it didn’t make me outraged at the media, her fellow celebrities, the public who commented on her life.
it didn’t make me feel like she was targeted and trolled to her grave, it made me incredibly sad.

I saw a girl who had a build in impulse to self destruct, to search out pain, to mentally destroy herself over everything she did, her own family couldn’t stop her searching out the negative, they gave the impression she needed a lot of attention, compassion, understanding, and she didn’t get that, and probably never would to the extent she needed.

i wish things had been different for her, but when you’re built to self destruct it’s very hard to escape that cycle.

and to then put that personality under the spotlight, personality, relationship, everything, to the world.
It was never going to end well, she clearly loved her job, but she didn’t love herself to have the strength to deal with everything that came with it.

hopefully she’s at peace now.

really glad people agree to close it. Xx
 
From the snippets I've seen, it seems like her family were prepared for this for a long time. So why didn't they help her when she was still alive? I'm not saying they didn't help her, but surely if you were aware of her struggles being in the limelight you'd acknowledge in the documentary that you all tried your best to get her the help she needed.

I agree with @BettyCrockerr thoughts on the documentary. It didn't seem, from the snippets I've seen, to really push forward the message that MH can affect anyone in a number of different ways and that there's many different avenues to get help. It just seemed to be a chance for the people that knew her to repeat everything that's already been known about Caroline.
 
Katherinex said:
From the snippets I've seen, it seems like her family were prepared for this for a long time. So why didn't they help her when she was still alive? I'm not saying they didn't help her, but surely if you were aware of her struggles being in the limelight you'd acknowledge in the documentary that you all tried your best to get her the help she needed.
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I think that’s unfair. If everyone reached out when they needed help, no one would ever take their own lives. People who lose someone to suicide no doubt question every think they said or did, everything they could have done or would have done differently. You could clearly see every person who spoke about Caroline loved her, and each one is living with a guilt that won’t go away.
I thought it was a very sad program and really felt for her family and friends who clearly loved her very much.
 
It was a really sad programme, because we all know the outcome in that someone died. Her mum and sister seem lovely and very down to earth. The sister, dare I say it - seemed almost relieved. I got the impression Caroline was either full of FUN or full of despair, and that was probably very difficult to be around.

With regards to her abusing Lewis, they were probably in a very unhealthy relationship together. Caroline had a long history of 'failed' relationships - insecurity on her part? Jealousy? Arguments. Yes she seemed a lovely girl but she also seemed hard work, and I don't think it's right to blame one singular person.
 
I think the family, most importantly, and friends wanted to show the deveststion that’s been left behind, a little of what they were aware of/trying to manage around her in terms of her mental health and perhaps how I’ll equipped they were to deal with it. And how that is often the reality of dealing with depression. Seeing their heartbreak was very effecting I thought. It was a quiet, sad, nuanced hour.
 
Kinvarra said:
I think the family, most importantly, and friends wanted to show the deveststion that’s been left behind, a little of what they were aware of/trying to manage around her in terms of her mental health and perhaps how I’ll equipped they were to deal with it. And how that is often the reality of dealing with depression. Seeing their heartbreak was very effecting I thought. It was a quiet, sad, nuanced hour.
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I only really got a sense of that at the end when they visited the memorial bench and when they were looking through the photos. I thought Jody was very guarded and didn’t open up particularly during the documentary and I thought her mum was just constantly putting on a bit of a front, kind of brushing everything off with a “oh that’s just what she was like” - they didn’t provide any indication that they had supported her to seek help over the years, or give any real idea of how her behaviour impacted them as a family and in their relationships with her etc

I think it was just a really poorly made program. The production company and those involved haven’t done a good job at all and it almost felt a bit wrong in a way?
 
BettyCrockerr said:
I only really got a sense of that at the end when they visited the memorial bench and when they were looking through the photos. I thought Jody was very guarded and didn’t open up particularly during the documentary and I thought her mum was just constantly putting on a bit of a front, kind of brushing everything off with a “oh that’s just what she was like” - they didn’t provide any indication that they had supported her to seek help over the years, or give any real idea of how her behaviour impacted them as a family and in their relationships with her etc

I think it was just a really poorly made program. The production company and those involved haven’t done a good job at all and it almost felt a bit wrong in a way?
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I also thought Jody was really guarded. She almost came off as cold. I presume it’s a mix of extreme shock / grief though
 
Milliehaha123 said:
I also thought Jody was really guarded. She almost came off as cold. I presume it’s a mix of extreme shock / grief though
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I just think it was a kind of roughly and quickly pulled together program made by clearly very inexperienced crew who hadn’t done anything to build up any kind of rapport with them at all. It seemed rushed; no real in-depth look at her formative years. I found it interesting and lacklustre that they briefly mentioned her first boyfriend and subsequent break up where she went missing and turned up at his house and then that she had been in a longer relationship in Cambridge- when it appears that a lot of her issues were heavily weighted down in her love life it’s seems short sighted not to have properly explored that for the audience.

Kinvarra said:
They did what they felt they were able I’m sure. They don’t owe anyone anything.
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No absolutely not, of course they don’t. I’m absolutely not bashing them as people or anything, I’m just talking about it as a documentary, and how poorly it’s been put together.
 
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