Caroline Flack - Her Life And Death Documentary

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Cloverfield10 said:
This is obviously a really emotive subject and people hugely identify with her for whatever reason. I don't wish to sound heartless towards her as an individual and I feel for anyone experiencing mental health issues (I do myself) but I think this whole issue shows that people really don't see women as capable of abuse against their partners or minimise it and say that it's not real abuse or it only happened once or twice.

I don't know about the exact dynamics of their relationship but it's never acceptable to retort with physical violence. If he was cheating she could have just left him instead of attacking him.

If no one investigated this incident the story could have been completely different and I just don't think it's helpful to anyone to remove any accountability from her.
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I can agree , no one should have to suffer being hit, especially as I think he was asleep when she hit him, but she was being punished, she was charged and lost her job, what she shouldn't have to suffer was the constant stories in the papers making tit up, I just feel the papers have blood on their hands, she made a mistake and was being punished in terms of law and career , but the papers writing the crap they did and hounding her is part if the reason she committed suicide, I dont think she would have gone that far if she was left alone to deal with her life.
I imagine she was probably a nightmare to live with, but her private life doesn't concern me, I thought she was a lovely person who was very good at live TV, very natural and funny.
I dont know her as a person, but I will miss her never being on TV again, its not easy doing live TV and she did it well, so it's sad to think we will never see her again.
 
I think the documentary might have had more worth if it had concentrated on poor mental health and the help you can (or can't) get for it. That discussion seemed to be curiously missing from the programme. As it is, the only thing it has succeeded in doing is pointing the finger of blame at various people / institutions for someone's suicide. Which is a bad thing imo.
 
clocking someone with a phone while they’re asleep, is NOT ON, but if the person hit had goaded and manipulated the person to the point of violence i don’t think they’re the SOLE victim. it sounds like caroline was also a victim of domestic abuse if burton was damaging her mental health as much as he did.

and that’s my two pence

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Veronicaaa said:
I think the documentary might have had more worth if it had concentrated on poor mental health and the help you can (or can't) get for it. That discussion seemed to be curiously missing from the programme. As it is, the only thing it has succeeded in doing is pointing the finger of blame at various people / institutions for someone's suicide. Which is a bad thing imo.
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It did feel unfinished. It wasnt the film that was meant to be made and you can feel that. I wonder what, if any, help she ever got.
 
I dont think Lorraine Kelly or Graham Norton deserve vilification for it , in a way it was a nothing story in terms of public information, I heard she had hit her boyfriend but her relationships are not my interest, Graham made a joke, which wasn't vile imo, I doubt that was any kind of trigger , and Lorraine's jokey comment is very true, that's showbiz is always the joke if someone loses their job, TV is ruthless in terms of replacing people, it wasn't aimed at Caroline as such but showbiz as a whole , I also think she would easily have got another job after 6 months or so because she was so good at it, and probably would have gone on Lorraine or Graham Norton to chat about that period of her life and accepted the joke.
 
TripleC's said:
I dont think Lorraine Kelly or Graham Norton deserve vilification for it , in a way it was a nothing story in terms of public information, I heard she had hit her boyfriend but her relationships are not my interest, Graham made a joke, which wasn't vile imo, I doubt that was any kind of trigger , and Lorraine's jokey comment is very true, that's showbiz is always the joke if someone loses their job, TV is ruthless in terms of replacing people, it wasn't aimed at Caroline as such but showbiz as a whole , I also think she would easily have got another job after 6 months or so because she was so good at it, and probably would have gone on Lorraine or Graham Norton to chat about that period of her life and accepted the joke.
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I agree. I didn't see the programme but saw the many twitter comments about how Graham Norton and Lorraine should be ashamed of themselves etc. I looked up their comments about Caroline and unless I missed something they really didn't seem that bad?
Of course with the benefit of hindsight any unkind comment carries a huge amount of significance, but to isolate comments and damn the commenter seems harsh. I've heard far worse about people on, for example, Gogglebox.
 
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right, after reading the thread on here. Some people disgust me. Clearly some of you haven’t suffered with mental health problems e.g depression . She was struggling, so she lashed out. I’m not saying she’s a saint but she was clearly struggling and feel like no one understood her.
 
She had depression, yes? I really missed that if it was acknowledged by the family. But perhaps an intentional illustration of trying to deal with a person with depression when you’re (generic) not an expert. And it was clear Caroline didn’t want it known so perhaps they felt they couldn’t or shouldn’t go there too much.
 
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cutegirl64 said:
right, after reading the thread on here. Some people disgust me. Clearly some of you haven’t suffered with mental health problems e.g depression . She was struggling, so she lashed out. I’m not saying she’s a saint but she was clearly struggling and feel like no one understood her.
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Sorry, I don't really see what you find disgusting here.

I just think there needs to be a bit of balance between holding up Caroline as a victim of her circumstances versus acknowledging that she made her decisions and should be held accountable for them.

Not an easy thing to achieve when she was obviously a much-loved TV personality but there must be balance.
 
Just watched it....

well. That’s 40minutes of my life I’m never getting back.

I genuinely do not know what the point of that program was. There was nothing in there that we haven’t already known from the vast amount of stuff in the press. There was nothing new or of note in there.

I thought it seemed like a very budget documentary, no real substance or depth, no critical analysis of the situation or events leading up to her death, no real reflection or conclusion.

I’m sorry I’m just not sure what exactly the purpose of that was?
 
Kinvarra said:
She had depression, yes? I really missed that if it was acknowledged by the family. But perhaps an intentional illustration of trying to deal with a person with depression when you’re (generic) not an expert. No it was clear Caroline didn’t want it known so perhaps they felt they couldn’t or shouldn’t go there too much.
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They could have, at the very least, described what happened during / after all those visits to A&E. If you're doing a documentary like this - which included trigger warnings and links to the Samaritans helpline - it's actually kind of your duty to go into that aspect of it? Otherwise the outcome is just seen as something of an inevitability, which is supremely *unhelpful*.
 
My two cents after watching that documentary.

Caroline it seems was a troubled soul from a young age. I'd say she was hard work to be around and her family seemed to tip toe around her. I don't think she was cut out for a life in the spotlight.

What happened with Louis may or may not have been a one off incident. Truth is we will never know. The CPS decided they had a case against her so proceeded, as they should in ANY domestic abuse case.

The press are vile and should not of printed them photos. Do I believe this is 100 percent to blame for her taking her own life? No.
I believe she was an extremely fragile person and something unfortunately would have eventually tipped her over the edge
 
Oohthedrama said:
but right now I see a girl who should never have been in the public eye, who could never deal with it (or the exposure that comes with the job) long, long before she stepped in front of a camera for the first time.
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I completely agree with this assessment. I think her mother and sister were very honest and measured in what they said - her sister said she was prepared for the idea of Caroline committing suicide, and her mother saying there was no one person to blame.

I feel desperately sorry for her friends and family, particularly those left feeling a sense of guilt that they didn’t do enough. I draw a lot of parallels between Caroline’s behaviour and that of an addict - I think she was addicted to fame and the attention/adoration it could provide, even though it was actually toxic for her in many ways.

Being in a relationship with an addict is very difficult, you are left feeling that you’re not good enough because you can’t help the person to change, that they won’t change to stay with you, that it is some failing on your part. And when they die because of their addiction you never really get closure.

I guess I could see the selfishness in some of her behaviour because of my own perspective. Those who say that she was failed may be right, but a person has to want to help themselves and commit to receiving and making changes based on the advice and support they receive. Her suicide and self harm wasn’t an isolated incident so there would have been offers made. They just didn’t seem to fit with the image she wanted to portray to the world.
 
ShakiraShakira said:
No of course not, I’m not saying she wasn’t wrong for throwing a phone at him but I’m saying that doesn’t make her an abuser.

I‘d take what Andrew says with a pinch of salt, he’s now playing the grieving ex fiancé after sending her a lamp in the post after she was arrested.
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Wow, I didn't know he did that? I remember him being quite vocal about their relationship online then seeing pics of him in the daily mail soon after her passing.
 
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