Anti Conspiracy Theories - a place to discuss the stuff you’re seeing online that’s winding you up!

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Conspiracy theorists just have a need to find some sinister meaning to every aspect of life and, while I think it's healthy to question things and not just accept everything we're told, they take it to an extreme and literally want to subvert everything.

Did anyone watch the Netflix documentary launched this week about The Cecil Hotel and the tragic death of Elisa Lam? A whole portion of it was dedicated to YouTubers/CTs who all wanted to "crack the case" and how they just wanted to find someone to blame - even trying to pin it on some guy who wasn't even in the country at the time.
They were literally obsessed by the case, visiting the hotel and running all over the place filming themselves full of excitement and posting the most outlandish theories online.

This was a young woman with bipolar who was travelling alone and had a history of not taking her meds yet they came up with theories that she was an undercover agent, that she was involved in some program to spread tuberculosis to the homeless population of Skid Row (all because there is a TB test called the LAM-ELISA), that The Last Bookstore, the last place she was known to have visited, was linked because someone looked up its domain and its postal code, put it into Google maps (why would anyone even think to do this?!) and it pinpointed her burial plot in Canada or they thought someone murdered her in a copycat of a film from 10 years earlier (she even wore a red top like the little girl so it must be true 🙄).

Yes, the case was odd; yes, the hotel is a dodgy place in a dodgy area with a chequered history and the footage from the lift is creepy to watch but their obsession over it (setting up Facebook pages, visiting the hotel to "investigate", saying they could think of nothing else and even going to her grave) was disproportionate and also disrespectful to her family who clearly accepted that her illness was a contributory factor in her accidental drowning but also wanted the hotel to be held culpable for their part due to negligence. (And for the record I agree that the hotel were negligent as the whole set-up was clearly unsafe - it had been rebranded to attract young travellers yet was a wholly unsuitable environment with poor security and little in the way of safeguarding so I believe the family had a legitimate case that could have been hampered by all the crazy theories and hysteria being whipped up).

I remember a friend of mine, who is a total conspiracy nut, getting really angry when someone made a comment on Facebook about how CTs are dangerous because they stop you caring about reality. This really hit a nerve and my friend started ranting about how the opposite is true, that they care more than anyone else, hence why they get so involved. And I think these people truly believe this, they honestly think they care MORE than the average Joe which is why they feel the need to delve into everything. They feel a sense of community amongst other CTs and really convince themselves that they are doing good in the world in trying to uncover the truth behind wrongdoings.

There are, of course, also those who ate just trolls, jumping on the bandwagon as they get a kick out of stirring up trouble, but I do think many of these CTs, the true believers, start by feeling disenfranchised and become brainwashed into an "us and them" mentality where they actually believe themselves to be superior thinkers.
They can't see past the harm their causes may create because they are so hellbent on proving their theories.
Ive just finished watching this and have been left feeling really pissed off. The critical thinkers (🙄) used that poor girls death for entertainment. I'm all for free speech but there needs to be consequences for things you say. They ruined that poor guys life, and none of them had the decency to even apologise. And that one guy who got someone filming her grave. bleeping grief tourist.
 
Conspiracy nuts, surely. Its laughable they use the word 'theorist' to describe themselves, as if it puts them on par with einstein or carl jung.
There's one conspiracy nut on you tube that believes trump trafficked over five thousand mexicans to europe on air force one during his reign of power and she also believes michelle obama is from compton and is a cousin of dr dre :rolleyes:

Why the fug do people insist on calling these nut jobs theorists

Conspiracy trolls would be more suited
 
Conspiracy nuts, surely. Its laughable they use the word 'theorist' to describe themselves, as if it puts them on par with einstein or carl jung.
There's one conspiracy nut on you tube that believes trump trafficked over five thousand mexicans to europe on air force one during his reign of power and she also believes michelle obama is from compton and is a cousin of dr dre :rolleyes:

Why the fug do people insist on calling these nut jobs theorists

Conspiracy trolls would be more suited

Oh God, you mentioning Michelle Obama; anyone else read the "theory" (and I agree with your point about this term making them sound somehow more credible but am at a loss to know what else to call it other than drivel!) that Michelle is actually a man called Michael? 🙈 Apparently Barack slipped up in a interview and almost said "my Michael" and then some saddos have analysed footage of her where the wind blows her trousers so you can "clearly" see that she has meat and two veg tucked away down there...🙄
 
Hi, new here.. I've just come across this thread so I haven't had a chance to read through it all. I was just wondering if the conspiracy theory around the Nurse Tiffany Dover has been discussed? She had the covid vaccine in America and then passed out on TV moments afterwards.. She asked for privacy after recovering but now everyone is assuming she's dead because she hasn't been active on social media. I think it's absolutely unbelievable the amount of people who have commented on her Facebook saying RIP etc. even though it hasn't been confirmed that she's dead its actually been confirmed that she's ALIVE AND WELL. Come on the woman asked for privacy that's probably why she hasn't been on her social media accounts. She's even been spotted on her hospitals website in videos but people are still believing she's dead and its a cover up or something. So stupid. I had the vaccine in January because I work in radiology and I'm a health worker and to be honest before getting the jab I was kind of nervous about it.. I was just reading up all this crap online about this nurse dying and it made me feel worse. I am so sick of reading or hearing about vaccine conspiracies.
 
If you go far back enough almost every conspiracy theory is rooted in racism, anti-semitism and white supremacy. Most you don’t even have dig too deep.

I’ve done quite a bit of research on qanon, I’m kind of fascinated by it. The irony being the origins of the theory are born from forums that are littered with child pornography, racism and other unsavoury posts.

It’s essentially a movement full of grifters and useful idiots. Q’s very first post on 4chan in 2017 was confirming that Hilary Clinton was about to be arrested - spoiler this never happened. Surprising how you can gain such a following when you’ve been wrong right from the start.

Panic about pedophilia, satanism and Jews controlling the world have been themes in middle America for a very long time, e.g Satanic Panic in the 80s.

Apologises, I do understand why vulnerable people can be sucked in, especially in such uncertain times, but I do find it very frustrating people who claim to care about the welfare of children (basically the easiest way to draw people in btw, what’s worse than a pedophile? You can’t argue with that being wrong RIGHT?) they align themselves with some of the worst people
 
I do not give a flying duck if you believe Bill Gates is controlling everyone via 5G masts in church spires, because he’s teamed up with the pope, who is still being investigated on sex charges.
i don’t care if we’re waiting for our one true saviour Donald Trump to come and save us from ourselves.
I might look back and wish I’d watched more YouTube documentaries, more Shane Dawson and Rogan and co. and seen them as the words of sanity we needed in 2020 😐

but wear your bleeping mask and stop being a rude fucker, that’s all I ask until I’m proven wrong.
 
My husband is feeling down as he has definitely lost friends due to them being so deep into the conspiracies (plandemic and qanon). He tried to counter them with why the conspiracies are nonsensical in a balanced way and now he doesn't really hear from them. Two are childhood friends.
 
My husband is feeling down as he has definitely lost friends due to them being so deep into the conspiracies (plandemic and qanon). He tried to counter them with why the conspiracies are nonsensical in a balanced way and now he doesn't really hear from them. Two are childhood friends.

I do feel sorry for the people who have bought into it because of fear, but I’m so over the gobshites who seem to think inferior peasants don’t see what they see, the ones who go out of their way to “spread the word”
 
Someone on the Covid thread mentioned the great reset and government control and cited Universal Basic Income. Because apparently saying low income individuals deserve to be able to afford food AND Bill's is farrrrrr too much. Are these people real? I honestly suggest sending them to North Korea to see what real control is. I'm sure the government want everyone to lose their jobs on rely on them when they keep claiming to have no money.
 
I also agree with the above poster about a lot of conspiracy shite being based on racism. Like Barrack Obama and Michelle and Meghan Markle. Now I'm not like an avid royal follower and I currently have a strong distaste for the family since they still house and love Andrew. Why is Meghan (black, from a poor background) treated worse by the public and the media than a proven podophile by the name of Andrew (white, rich). Why is everything Kate does (rich, white) amazing and then if Meghan does something similar, she's this big bad guy. It's an unpopular opinion because people don't want to admit that, in the 21st century, the UK (idk about other countries but it probably applies too) is inherently racist? It's ingrained in us. Not everyone in the country is racist and that's not what I'm saying, but it's something that everyone I know has had to unlearn themselves. Racist parents, grandparents etc etc. You can say 'oh it's just how people were back then' but that's a piss poor excuse. We have had years and years of education and knowledge and they still choose to exist on that plain. Why was Trump hailed as a saviour but Obama was a demon?
 
Someone on the Covid thread mentioned the great reset and government control and cited Universal Basic Income. Because apparently saying low income individuals deserve to be able to afford food AND Bill's is farrrrrr too much. Are these people real? I honestly suggest sending them to North Korea to see what real control is. I'm sure the government want everyone to lose their jobs on rely on them when they keep claiming to have no money.
Personally I’m all for a universal basic income. A lot of people freak out at the idea, but when you look into it it does make sense and is nothing to do with ‘control’. If anything, it would give people more freedom as they’d have more money in their bank.
 
I also agree with the above poster about a lot of conspiracy shite being based on racism. Like Barrack Obama and Michelle and Meghan Markle. Now I'm not like an avid royal follower and I currently have a strong distaste for the family since they still house and love Andrew. Why is Meghan (black, from a poor background) treated worse by the public and the media than a proven podophile by the name of Andrew (white, rich). Why is everything Kate does (rich, white) amazing and then if Meghan does something similar, she's this big bad guy. It's an unpopular opinion because people don't want to admit that, in the 21st century, the UK (idk about other countries but it probably applies too) is inherently racist? It's ingrained in us. Not everyone in the country is racist and that's not what I'm saying, but it's something that everyone I know has had to unlearn themselves. Racist parents, grandparents etc etc. You can say 'oh it's just how people were back then' but that's a piss poor excuse. We have had years and years of education and knowledge and they still choose to exist on that plain. Why was Trump hailed as a saviour but Obama was a demon?

I don't think I'd read such outright, blatant vile racism as I did towards Michelle Obama on an FB news post when Trump first got in. It was an article on Melena and posters were in raptures that a "real lady" was now entering the White House and then it just competely descended into a sickening barrage of racist abuse.
 
I honestly don’t get the hate for those two, particularly Meghan. I have read the threads and stuff but to me she doesn’t seem that bad?😅 Half of the things people dislike her for are based on speculation and what they think she is like. Harry is a big boy and can marry who he wants. It’s very strange.
It's the misogyny that upsets me the most. Making Harry out to be this victim who has to do as he is told and that she is this evil force. Like Harry can't make his own decisions. I'd always thought he was disillusioned about being a Royal and when his wife started being attacked he wanted to protect her.
 
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The Meghan hate is exactly the same as what Benedict Cumberbatch's wife suffered, except his wife is not globally famous and it was all very niche among his hardcore crazy fans, but the conspiracies were exactly the same.

That is, a shady past (usually involving porn/prostitution) gold-digging their way into the lives of the poor unsuspecting male victim. Blackmailing him into marriage. Staging a fake pregnancy. Wheeling out a robot baby and generally being an unscrupulous evil witch ruling over his every move. However, the authorities are onto them and they will be arrested and exposed any time now.

Funnily, they never seem to question just what these men have done to be blackmailed in such an awful way 🤔
 
The Meghan hate is exactly the same as what Benedict Cumberbatch's wife suffered, except his wife is not globally famous and it was all very niche among his hardcore crazy fans, but the conspiracies were exactly the same.

That is, a shady past (usually involving porn/prostitution) gold-digging their way into the lives of the poor unsuspecting male victim. Blackmailing him into marriage. Staging a fake pregnancy. Wheeling out a robot baby and generally being an unscrupulous evil witch ruling over his every move. However, the authorities are onto them and they will be arrested and exposed any time now.

Funnily, they never seem to question just what these men have done to be blackmailed in such an awful way 🤔
The obsession with fake pregnancies is really bleeping weird.
 
Someone on the Covid thread mentioned the great reset and government control and cited Universal Basic Income. Because apparently saying low income individuals deserve to be able to afford food AND Bill's is farrrrrr too much. Are these people real? I honestly suggest sending them to North Korea to see what real control is. I'm sure the government want everyone to lose their jobs on rely on them when they keep claiming to have no money.
this reminds me of something from the Mimi Ikkon thread, she is well into the anti covid conspiracies, and recently posted a caption of how the covid restrictions, making people stay home etc, were leading us into communism, just like how it was in communist russia or something or another :rolleyes:
 
The thing that annoys me about these people is they are forever saying do not believe anything you see/read in mainstream media. Yet all I do is see them sharing articles from mainstream media outlets because it suits their narrative. If there was an article in the Sun, for example, that was saying how important mask wearing is or talking about covid deaths. They’re found laughing the the comments section, arguing with people about covid being fake blah blah. However, the Sun could put out an article saying WOMAN DIES 2 DAYS AFTER VACCINE and they would be sharing this as proof to back up their theory.
I’ve had to unfriend someone relatively close to me on Facebook as she’s far too much with it all. Claims to know for a fact that we will be in lockdown until 2025 because she’s seen “evidence”. These people drive me mad, covid has definitely brought out the worst in them!
 
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