Amy Winehouse

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I thought that Amy was having an affair with Blake but he dropped her then she wrote back to black. Then of course he came crawling back.

It is still so sad.

I'm not convinced by her dad either to be honest. I get that they couldn't stop her. But his absence did have an effect on her, she said she pushed boundaries knowing there wouldn't be any consequences. And her friends were the ones that said Mitchell pushed her to work when she should have been in rehabilitation.
 
FrostyChops said:
I thought that Amy was having an affair with Blake but he dropped her then she wrote back to black. Then of course he came crawling back.

It is still so sad.

I'm not convinced by her dad either to be honest. I get that they couldn't stop her. But his absence did have an effect on her, she said she pushed boundaries knowing there wouldn't be any consequences. And her friends were the ones that said Mitchell pushed her to work when she should have been in rehabilitation.
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I think thats the way it started with her and Blake. Someone else as his gf and he couldnt decide what to do. 🙄
And it does sound like her dad was the one who pushed the tours. From what I have heard and read anyway.
 
Compassionately_judging said:
Her father was definitely the worst one for her. Bordering Britneys in my opinion if he could have.

Pushing her to pose with fans when she didn't want to because they were her money makers. Forcing her to work when her friends were begging him to get her help.

He's vile.
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I agree with this. She even says it in ‘Rehab’

“They tried to make me go to Rehab
But I said no, no, no
Yes I've been black but when I come back
You'll know, know, know
I ain't got the time
And if my daddy thinks I'm fine
Just try to make me go to Rehab
But I won't go, go, go”

sounds like her dad told her she didn’t need it, she was fine.

that last filmed performance of her before she died is horrendous to watch. I can’t believe anyone let her go on stage like that. And how the band just kept on playing. And then she was dead. Just heartbreaking.
 
Can’t believe it’s been ten years 😔

I wasn’t keen on this new documentary at all. Loved seeing the previously unseen footage and photographs (what a beautiful girl she was, stunning) but that was all. Felt like a bit of a PR exercise to clear the family and I don’t think it’s done them any favours. That’s not to say I don’t feel for them, it must have been absolutely awful watching it all at that time and of course they will never get over her death. And it’s absolutely true that addicts can only help themselves. But to me it felt like they were really trying to hammer that point, insisting on how good a family they were; but in my mind there is no doubt that Amy had daddy issues, with him leaving the family home in the way he did, not spending time with her, and mum not being more firm. Children need boundaries and she was never given any nor disciplined; her mum herself said in the Asif doc that she wasn’t strong enough to stand up to her and Amy herself said her mum was too soft and she should be tougher on her. She also said herself that her dad was never there for any of those important bits like when her and her brother were acting up.

Amy didn’t organise the gigs herself or have any involvement in that side of things; so I don’t buy it that Mitch and her manager didn’t make her do them. They could have been cancelled and that would have been that. Even if she wanted to do them, they could have insisted upon her not by cancelling as looking out for her well-being. I still believe 100% that she was pressured into performing when she wasn’t well.

Didn’t get good vibes or sincerity from these other “friends”. Who were they? Naomi was her stylist and it would seem that she’s trying to make more of their relationship than it really was. Very easy to claim. Seen she has a book coming out this year on Amy’s birthday, so cashing in on her.

I really get the strong impression that Catriona was a hanger-on who is trying to claim they shared this deep and profound friendship. The only photos of them together are when Amy was at her worst and they were out on the sauce. Enjoying and encouraging the party lifestyle that was so harmful to Amy doesn’t really tally up with being so concerned about same. Amy seemed very sociable and made easy friendships with people, so just because they spent some time partying together doesn’t mean anything IMO. I don’t buy it.

Thought it was a disgrace how she said they slept together too. It was so disrespectful. And implying that Amy was mentally battling with her confusion over her sexuality and that was a factor in her downfall. The only person who could confirm or deny if they slept together is Amy and she’s not here; I call BS. The fact her parents allowed this to be included shows some desperation on their part. Even if it were true, it’s a private matter that has been disclosed without Amy’s consent, it’s so disrespectful. The last piece of her privacy disclosed, and under her parents watch. Zero benefit for Amy for this to be public knowledge, yet this girl was almost boasting about it for her own ends. She knew fine rightly that it was a scandalous revelation and is now acting all pious and faux shock that it was commented on by journos. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Honestly, none of them said anything we didn’t already know. Their saying that the Asif doc didn’t do her justice and painted her as a caricature wasn’t true at all in my view- I think that doc really did do her justice and it was very much on her side. I believe the accounts given by her true friends on there - Juliette, Lauren, Nick, Tyler. None of them had any involvement with this new doc which in my opinion is telling of its credibility.
 
I completely agree l also thought there's no one to refute this new information. No one needs to know ten years later, it doesn't add anything to the story.

It didn't add anything. It was obvious she had mental health issues, that she was unsecure..you could see she was displaying addictive destructive behaviour, struggling with the attention and had an eating disorder.
 
clueless said:
Can’t believe it’s been ten years 😔

I wasn’t keen on this new documentary at all. Loved seeing the previously unseen footage and photographs (what a beautiful girl she was, stunning) but that was all. Felt like a bit of a PR exercise to clear the family and I don’t think it’s done them any favours. That’s not to say I don’t feel for them, it must have been absolutely awful watching it all at that time and of course they will never get over her death. And it’s absolutely true that addicts can only help themselves. But to me it felt like they were really trying to hammer that point, insisting on how good a family they were; but in my mind there is no doubt that Amy had daddy issues, with him leaving the family home in the way he did, not spending time with her, and mum not being more firm. Children need boundaries and she was never given any nor disciplined; her mum herself said in the Asif doc that she wasn’t strong enough to stand up to her and Amy herself said her mum was too soft and she should be tougher on her. She also said herself that her dad was never there for any of those important bits like when her and her brother were acting up.

Amy didn’t organise the gigs herself or have any involvement in that side of things; so I don’t buy it that Mitch and her manager didn’t make her do them. They could have been cancelled and that would have been that. Even if she wanted to do them, they could have insisted upon her not by cancelling as looking out for her well-being. I still believe 100% that she was pressured into performing when she wasn’t well.

Didn’t get good vibes or sincerity from these other “friends”. Who were they? Naomi was her stylist and it would seem that she’s trying to make more of their relationship than it really was. Very easy to claim. Seen she has a book coming out this year on Amy’s birthday, so cashing in on her.

I really get the strong impression that Catriona was a hanger-on who is trying to claim they shared this deep and profound friendship. The only photos of them together are when Amy was at her worst and they were out on the sauce. Enjoying and encouraging the party lifestyle that was so harmful to Amy doesn’t really tally up with being so concerned about same. Amy seemed very sociable and made easy friendships with people, so just because they spent some time partying together doesn’t mean anything IMO. I don’t buy it.

Thought it was a disgrace how she said they slept together too. It was so disrespectful. And implying that Amy was mentally battling with her confusion over her sexuality and that was a factor in her downfall. The only person who could confirm or deny if they slept together is Amy and she’s not here; I call BS. The fact her parents allowed this to be included shows some desperation on their part. Even if it were true, it’s a private matter that has been disclosed without Amy’s consent, it’s so disrespectful. The last piece of her privacy disclosed, and under her parents watch. Zero benefit for Amy for this to be public knowledge, yet this girl was almost boasting about it for her own ends. She knew fine rightly that it was a scandalous revelation and is now acting all pious and faux shock that it was commented on by journos. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Honestly, none of them said anything we didn’t already know. Their saying that the Asif doc didn’t do her justice and painted her as a caricature wasn’t true at all in my view- I think that doc really did do her justice and it was very much on her side. I believe the accounts given by her true friends on there - Juliette, Lauren, Nick, Tyler. None of them had any involvement with this new doc which in my opinion is telling of its credibility.
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I was perplexed about her friends Juliette and Lauren not even being mentioned. Nick her first manager wasn't either. Amy's gravestone had names of her friends engraved in a marble book on her grave and they were all absent. Have they fallen out with her family because they contributed to the 'Amy' documentary? Very sad whatever the cause.
 
I watched the new Documentary on iplayer and it was sad to say the least. Whilst I don’t believe that anyone is innocent, I also agree that there is only so much parents, friends and family can do. Addiction is stronger than love is a term that hits me. It doesn’t matter who loves you when you have such strong addictions / mental health problems. They still exist. My parents have claimed to love me a million times and have been forceful with getting me help but that didn’t stop me and those addictions and mental health problems are as strong as ever to this day. I feel like Amy was a very troubled soul, perhaps even cripplingly insecure. I was so surprised to hear her say she was insecure in the documentary “I’m a musician, not a model”. She was so beautiful in a very unique way. I think the fame came so thick and fast, too much to handle in such a short time. Constantly being harassed and followed by the paps, pressure about her marriage, addictions, mental health struggles…I think it would be too much for many of us.
 
I still struggle to watch or listen to her music. Tried to watch the new doc last night but I couldn’t last more than 5 mins. Not even tried to watch the first doc. Is that weird? she’s someone I have never met or even got the chance to see live, so surely I shouldn’t feel so strongly? But she felt so relatable, something about how openly fragile she could be was so endearing to me. Very honest & witty. It’s crazy that my perception of her was strong and outspoken at times, when really she was the opposite. Not the first time I’ve totally miss read someone 🤦‍♀️
I remember buying Frank.. I wish I could remember how I came across her. Maybe saw her on tv? Jazz type music is not my thing at all but the lyrics and the way she sang had me hooked.
Looking back now, it’s vile how much her poor mental health and addiction issues were monetised for back to black. I feel a bit gross for going along with that at the time and not fully seeing how odd that was.
I think I viewed it as she’s been at her lowest but now she’s up top and wrote songs about it all.
I feel like she was a caricature in those days, maybe that’s why it didn’t sink in plus I was in the midst of a quarter life crisis around the time of back to black/her death, heavy drinking (thank god drugs were never on my radar) desperately in love with someone who wasn’t my bf and really not handling it well at all. Maybe it was easy to romanticise both our situations. I guess.
Sorry for the essay - thanks for the therapy ha ga
 
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