Zoe Sugg #62 It's all happy Deyes over here, oh not you Zoe you're a Sugg!

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How do you think Ottie is going to react when #2 actually arrives? She has two parents + grandparents who treat her as the centre of the universe, which to some degree is how things should be, but to another degree isn't really normal type day to day life. All kids should be treated as precious and special of course, but the whole vlogging family and money means that she's treated that way more so than most other kids? How is she going to go sharing the centre of the universe limelight?
 
MrsSlocombe said:
How do you think Ottie is going to react when #2 actually arrives? She has two parents + grandparents who treat her as the centre of the universe, which to some degree is how things should be, but to another degree isn't really normal type day to day life… How is she going to go sharing the centre of the universe limelight?
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I think they’ll have trouble because 1. She’s a 2 year old. 2. She’s the first grandchild from both sides of the family so she’s had 100% of the attention. 3. It seems like they say yes to Ottie a lot and that’s why she seems like the perfect easy child. Of course she does because she getting her own way!
Like when Zoe was having an ice cream in the backyard with Ottie and Ottie ate hers and wanted a bite of Zoe’s and then pretty much ate the rest of Zoe’s because Zoe kept giving her more bites.
And when they came out outside frazzled and had to sit in the backyard after putting Ottie to bed…they obviously had a struggle with putting her to bed but they seemed like it was a really stressful moment for them?
 
I can’t believe they said in that chat they’ll take her off social media when she “becomes more recognisable”. I’m sorry I live on the other side of the world and if she was in a pram going past me in the street I’d know who she was…especially if she was with any of her other family members. They’re really kidding themselves.

And then when Alfie praised himself that Ottie had said no when he asked her something on camera and he respected her “not consenting”. Mate she doesn’t know what that thing does…it’s a piece of plastic that both of her parents constantly talk into, she has no developmental ability to know it’s used to project her image to hundreds of thousands of people strangers. There’s a reason even teenagers under a certain age cannot legally consent - their brain doesn’t compute the risk!
 
Justin Fyingit said:
I can’t believe they said in that chat they’ll take her off social media when she “becomes more recognisable”. I’m sorry I live on the other side of the world and if she was in a pram going past me in the street I’d know who she was…especially if she was with any of her other family members. They’re really kidding themselves.

And then when Alfie praised himself that Ottie had said no when he asked her something on camera and he respected her “not consenting”. Mate she doesn’t know what that thing does…it’s a piece of plastic that both of her parents constantly talk into, she has no developmental ability to know it’s used to project her image to hundreds of thousands of people strangers. There’s a reason even teenagers under a certain age cannot legally consent - their brain doesn’t compute the risk!
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Exactly. To some degree that actually do protect her a bit more than other family vloggers e.g. they don't show negative things like her throwing tantrums, but at the end of the day they are still no different - they are selling out parts of her childhood to strangers online for views and money. It's kind of a bizarre concept isn't it, but it's so many family's normal? Like the Truman Show in real life but with vulnerable kids? It will be interesting to see if they do eventually move towards taking their kid's lives offline almost totally? Would people still watch them? I guess one thing that they have obviously done as they ridden the big making money online wave is that they've set themselves up very well financially - with many other vloggers and vlogging families you just know that once it's gone they are totally screwed. It's hard to imagine how they would make money successfully without youtube, but Zoe was smart, successful and driven when she did make it big. She's a shell of that person now, but she may go back to it lol? I can imagine that there are a lot of yuppy wealthy parents like themselves who would love if she became a children's fashion designer so they could dress their kids forever in beige and neutrals.
 
nervouspigeon said:
Yeah like what Tanya does with her kid..but really if you’re going to the effort of taking photos of the back of their head and their feet, just go the bit extra and not post anything instead of “dangling the carrot” so to speak. I could respect someone who said from the start, that there will be no photos out of respect for the child’s privacy instead of the stupid cryptic feet or emoji over the face. Like don’t have a toe in both camps to get freebies and content, if they’re truly going to respect their privacy they should not show them at all and maybe even stopping vlogging at their home (the content is dull anyway).
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Her Atlas on YouTube is a good example of good vlogging when you have a child. She never shows his face, if he happens to run past she will blur him. She maybe catches the back of his head incidentally here or there but the focus of the vlogs is almost never him and the only time he has ever been the focus (still blurred) is when it's relevant to the video I.e. She filmed him in his children's day outfit when talking about the Japanese tradition, but still blurred his face.
 
Im having conversations with family around children’s privacy on social media at the moment. Ours is due in December and I know my mother will want to plaster photos of him all over her public social media. trying to make her understand that is probably a similar conversation you’d have with influencers. It’s so shockingly unsafe. Don’t get me started on “official” baby profiles either 🙄 no child needs social media.
 
Juststopit said:
Her Atlas on YouTube is a good example of good vlogging when you have a child. She never shows his face, if he happens to run past she will blur him. She maybe catches the back of his head incidentally here or there but the focus of the vlogs is almost never him and the only time he has ever been the focus (still blurred) is when it's relevant to the video I.e. She filmed him in his children's day outfit when talking about the Japanese tradition, but still blurred his face.
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That sounds reasonable. And the key thing is that she is not using her child for content and has made a geniune effort to maintain their privacy. It’s not just social media influencers, even regular everyday people post to instagram or Facebook and they have hundreds of “friends/followers” who they would have no clue who they are or if they are genuine people. Children are growing up and by the time they are aware of what social media is their lives have already been plastered all over social media…once it’s out there, that’s it.
 
CallMeHollywood said:
Im having conversations with family around children’s privacy on social media at the moment. Ours is due in December and I know my mother will want to plaster photos of him all over her public social media. trying to make her understand that is probably a similar conversation you’d have with influencers. It’s so shockingly unsafe. Don’t get me started on “official” baby profiles either 🙄 no child needs social media.
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Personal anecdote/unsolicited advice in spoiler tag

My family were surprisingly receptive to it tbh, I basically sent my family group chat a message saying: If you share photos of him without mine or [dads] consent then I’m warning you now: there will be a fall out.

Everyone responded saying they were ok with that choice.

As for my husbands parents I didn’t have to say much, all I really said was I don’t want him online because he’s a baby that can’t consent and they were like “no problem!” 😂 In fact my husbands mum praised our choice.

I think if anyone posts your baby you can report the image and get it taken down anyway but my advice is don’t be afraid to fall out over it.

The main thing I will praise Tanya for is the fact that she hasn’t posted his face online and she’s relatively private in general these days. It’s admirable in a world of influencers. Puts Jim to shame. Can you imagine if she’d had a son with him? Their priorities would not align at all.
 
xits_jjx said:
Personal anecdote/unsolicited advice in spoiler tag

My family were surprisingly receptive to it tbh, I basically sent my family group chat a message saying: If you share photos of him without mine or [dads] consent then I’m warning you now: there will be a fall out.

Everyone responded saying they were ok with that choice.

As for my husbands parents I didn’t have to say much, all I really said was I don’t want him online because he’s a baby that can’t consent and they were like “no problem!” 😂 In fact my husbands mum praised our choice.

I think if anyone posts your baby you can report the image and get it taken down anyway but my advice is don’t be afraid to fall out over it.

The main thing I will praise Tanya for is the fact that she hasn’t posted his face online and she’s relatively private in general these days. It’s admirable in a world of influencers. Puts Jim to shame. Can you imagine if she’d had a son with him? Their priorities would not align at all.
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That’s incredibly helpful, thank you. I don’t have much beef with Tanya anymore. She needs to stop photographing herself at weird “skinny” angles though.
 
kid is stung my a wasp, zoe mentions it, no sign of she's fine or we gave her a big cuddle instead a long 10min story of her first time being stung. No one cares
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Peachylace said:
I'd love to see Ottie go to soft play. Snotty kids, dirty socks, chicken nuggets and beans. There's no way she'll ever experience that!
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the only thing she will experience is chicken nuggets and beans... zoe never cooks and Alf will end up with his hands full trying to manage both kids with zero help
 
nervouspigeon said:
Yeah like what Tanya does with her kid..but really if you’re going to the effort of taking photos of the back of their head and their feet, just go the bit extra and not post anything instead of “dangling the carrot” so to speak. I could respect someone who said from the start, that there will be no photos out of respect for the child’s privacy instead of the stupid cryptic feet or emoji over the face. Like don’t have a toe in both camps to get freebies and content, if they’re truly going to respect their privacy they should not show them at all and maybe even stopping vlogging at their home (the content is dull anyway).
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Yes, I cant stand that!!!!!
 
Personally I think a photo of when she was born would have been enough just to show fans/thank them for the support etc. I don't care for kid content and they don't film anything interesting anyway. It's not like they are giving info on breast feeding, weaning, getting her to sleep through the night etc. Its just her playing or chatting so totally unneeded. They film her cause it fills up their videos and the minions love to see her and it bumps the views/money up.
 
Totally random after being over on the Strictly thread but did she EVER go to see Joe in Strictly? She watched most weeks from home I remember but did she ever actually make the effort to go to the studio? He was in all the way to the end so there's no way there wasn't opportunity and she would have been right at the top of the list of priority for who got a ticker surely...
 
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