UK Literary Luvvies #3 Logistical reasons mean the only recommendations I have are Greek cleaning products

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maytoseptember said:
IIRC he had serious complications after a bone marrow transplant (graft vs host disease?) and needed round the clock care. I don’t think he could walk, but he wasn’t sick enough to stay in hospital. He was moved to some sort of neuro rehab unit/care facility in order to get the nursing care he needed.

So in that sense it would have made sense for his family to choose somewhere close to them.

Either way I can’t blame the family for taking him home, knowing that the prognosis was tit. I’m sure his “set” probably were upset to have him taken away from their London bubble, but if he was my son I would have done the same thing.
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No judgement at all on anyone involved, it was a horrible situation especially for such a young man. I only brought it up to emphasise that not even his own inner circle of friends had access to him in the final stages of his illness, let alone DB who is writing about him in a national newspaper.
 
I also felt like the first half of the article was describing their relationship in intentionally ambiguous terms. As if we were meant to think they were the couple that should have been… maybe I’m reading too much into it! But something about the climbing of the statue and the trip to hospital afterwards jarred…
 
Maybe they do it for all her / contributors articles (maybe it's not something she has control over) but still felt icky that there was a link promoting her new book at the end of it - monetising her grief for her friend is not a good look.
 
So Daisy's article did strike a note with me. My best friend died suddenly 7 years ago. He had the gift of making everyone feel that they were important to him. So when he died, people are that only met him a few times were grief stricken. As he died suddenly, there was a lot of paper work to solve and plus he was an only child with his mother still living. A lot of those of us, that were very close to him, had to solve and sort out paperwork etc.
Some of the people that were less close to him or newer in his circle, felt that I and others weren't grieving. So Daisy's article bought a lot of emotions back to me. Anyway, this is off topic, sorry.
 
Ashling said:
So Daisy's article did strike a note with me. My best friend died suddenly 7 years ago. He had the gift of making everyone feel that they were important to him. So when he died, people are that only met him a few times were grief stricken. As he died suddenly, there was a lot of paper work to solve and plus he was an only child with his mother still living. A lot of those of us, that were very close to him, had to solve and sort out paperwork etc.
Some of the people that were less close to him or newer in his circle, felt that I and others weren't grieving. So Daisy's article bought a lot of emotions back to me. Anyway, this is off topic, sorry.
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Very sorry about your best friend, that's a terrible thing to have happened.
 
Goujon said:
Very sorry about your best friend, that's a terrible thing to have happened.
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Thanks and sorry for derailing the thread. I normally don't mind Daisy but that article really touched a nerve. I feel like they always have to centre themselves in every situation. I understand that she was grieving for those friends but she didn't seem to realize that their close friends and family would also be grieving.
Plus, nobody ever tells you how much admin there is after someone dies. Sometimes there is no time to grieve.
 
That poor John has had his life and death exploited by these people for years and years. So many articles and books. I’m not sure I’d be very happy about it if I were his family. Maybe you’d be glad he was so loved and mourned and remembered, but a lot of it does feel a bit exploitative, as though his life and death were just an interesting character event in the London Literary Posse’s origin story.
 
mfch said:
That poor John has had his life and death exploited by these people for years and years. So many articles and books. I’m not sure I’d be very happy about it if I were his family. Maybe you’d be glad he was so loved and mourned and remembered, but a lot of it does feel a bit exploitative, as though his life and death were just an interesting character event in the London Literary Posse’s origin story.
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Ugh, yes I agree with this. For his family it must have felt like so many people were not only launching careers off the back of his illness, but also vying for ownership of him?

I blame The Pool 😅
 
I think part of these nepotistic lit luvvies’ issue is that they have few everyday, mundane problems or struggles so they like to make dramas out of everything with them as a main character, and spend all their time soul searching. That makes them lack empathy sometimes.

Now I’m not chippy or bitter and I do get that things like heartbreak and mental health issues dont discriminate, but part of the everyday struggle for me is working literally 7am to 8pm to make rent and being worried sick about money as I have no parental backup. You can tell Dolly for example is just obsessed with herself and how to look cool and relationships and I just don’t have the time 😆
 
mfch said:
That poor John has had his life and death exploited by these people for years and years. So many articles and books. I’m not sure I’d be very happy about it if I were his family. Maybe you’d be glad he was so loved and mourned and remembered, but a lot of it does feel a bit exploitative, as though his life and death were just an interesting character event in the London Literary Posse’s origin story.
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100% this. I think that’s why the reference to ‘Peter’s Friends’ in that article really rankled with me. They are all so desperate to be the sort of friendship group that people (they) write about in novels and living life for the sake of being observed for having stories to tell, rather than getting on with just living their lives.
 
Elizabeth is outraged by the women focused language from the papers on IVF, who created her career, but look margs on a beach, it’s ok.shes fine
Thank god she had started daylight to amplify diverse female voices - new podcast is POC in publishing but with her over view and initial payment phew LIZ, LIZ … your voice is not muted by anyone else 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
 

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Bezzzz said:
Elizabeth is outraged by the women focused language from the papers on IVF, who created her career, but look margs on a beach, it’s ok.shes fine
Thank god she had started daylight to amplify diverse female voices - new podcast is POC in publishing but with her over view and initial payment phew LIZ, LIZ … your voice is not muted by anyone else 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
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I really don’t understand her point - age is mentioned in relation to female fertility because it’s RELEVANT. Men’s fertility lasts longer. These are biological facts.

I can see her point that struggling to conceive isn’t always due to female fertility issues.

Sensational tropes are rife in journalism, it’s not just this issue that is written about with broad assumptions - and she should know this, being in the industry.

I don’t think she’s as quite at peace with her childlessness as she proclaims.
 
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