True Crime Podcasts

Thanks for sharing this, I'm going to have a read of it later.

Re the Burke theory what are people thinking? That he did it all, SA'd her, made the groot, dumped her body etc?
Or are people thinking that he hit her, she died in an accidental way (as in no intention to kill her, just whack her one) and the parents did all the rest?
It’s definitely one of those two options in my opinion, not possible to say for sure which.

But most likely Burke hit her without intending to killer her and the parents covered it up. John doing the strangulation and paint brush attack. Note that the hit on the head didn’t kill her but they must have thought she was dead / fatally injured, there was a considerable amount of time between the two happening for this to be believable.

The culprit of the SA must most likely be John, and would explain his ability to commit the cover up I believe. Patsy might not have known about this abuse or known exactly what John did to her after Burke hit her either 😞

If it was Burke who committed the entire attack then I think that would better explain the train track injuries, but maybe they were an old injury from Burke prodding her and didn’t happen at the time of the attack / cover up.

I think Burke being responsible for at least the initial blow is the only convincing reason for both the parents being involved, if one did it the other would turn on them.
 
I can highly recommend West Cork. Its an Audible production. It details the murder of Sophie Toscan de Plantier in West Cork in the 90sand the subsequent balls of an investigation. If you havent heard of it, go listen. It remains unsolved and the chief suspect died recently. He is interviewed extensively in the podcast so you can decide for yourself if he's guilty or not.

I'm 7 episodes in and unless something else major is revealed soon, I believe 100% he did it.
 
It’s definitely one of those two options in my opinion, not possible to say for sure which.

But most likely Burke hit her without intending to killer her and the parents covered it up. John doing the strangulation and paint brush attack. Note that the hit on the head didn’t kill her but they must have thought she was dead / fatally injured, there was a considerable amount of time between the two happening for this to be believable.

The culprit of the SA must most likely be John, and would explain his ability to commit the cover up I believe. Patsy might not have known about this abuse or known exactly what John did to her after Burke hit her either 😞

If it was Burke who committed the entire attack then I think that would better explain the train track injuries, but maybe they were an old injury from Burke prodding her and didn’t happen at the time of the attack / cover up.

I think Burke being responsible for at least the initial blow is the only convincing reason for both the parents being involved, if one did it the other would turn on them.

I agree, I think Burke did it. The interview he did in 2016 was … weird. The way he referred to Jonbenet as almost an outsider to the family… I got the impression he was a spoiled kid who got jealous and had a lot of resentment to JonBenet.

I always thought the obsession with tying the possible sexual abuse to the murder was misguided.

maybe JonBenet was SA’d. Maybe she wasn’t.

that doesn’t mean whoever killed her had to be the one and the same individual SA her.
 
Morning,

I've rage deleted quite a few podcasts this morning. I can't bear it when the hosts conduct interviews over the phone, and the quality is tit, crackly and I can't hear. I think I'm getting old! I just want a decent sound production and engaging stories.

Looking for some new recommendations please! Currently have real, seeing red, red handed (sometimes a hate listen), casefile, Canadian true crime, dark topic, tortoise media, mens rea, death on the ice, they walk among us, UK true crime and true crime garage

Preferably UK, Irish, Australia or NZ. Then will take America.
No screechy hosts, they can get in the bin.

Don't mind long form or singular episodes.

Many thanks!
 
Morning,

I've rage deleted quite a few podcasts this morning. I can't bear it when the hosts conduct interviews over the phone, and the quality is tit, crackly and I can't hear. I think I'm getting old! I just want a decent sound production and engaging stories.

Looking for some new recommendations please! Currently have real, seeing red, red handed (sometimes a hate listen), casefile, Canadian true crime, dark topic, tortoise media, mens rea, death on the ice, they walk among us, UK true crime and true crime garage

Preferably UK, Irish, Australia or NZ. Then will take America.
No screechy hosts, they can get in the bin.

Don't mind long form or singular episodes.

Many thanks!
Inside the Crime is Irish - 3 seasons very well done!
 
Morning,

I've rage deleted quite a few podcasts this morning. I can't bear it when the hosts conduct interviews over the phone, and the quality is tit, crackly and I can't hear. I think I'm getting old! I just want a decent sound production and engaging stories.

Looking for some new recommendations please! Currently have real, seeing red, red handed (sometimes a hate listen), casefile, Canadian true crime, dark topic, tortoise media, mens rea, death on the ice, they walk among us, UK true crime and true crime garage

Preferably UK, Irish, Australia or NZ. Then will take America.
No screechy hosts, they can get in the bin.

Don't mind long form or singular episodes.

Many thanks!
First off it’s American. Not my fave either. BUT! It’s v good.
‘Noble’
Podcast series about a crematorium where the guy running it basically stopped burning the bodies and they were all found piled up at the place.
Very well made, researched etc. Top notch
 
Morning,

I've rage deleted quite a few podcasts this morning. I can't bear it when the hosts conduct interviews over the phone, and the quality is tit, crackly and I can't hear. I think I'm getting old! I just want a decent sound production and engaging stories.

Looking for some new recommendations please! Currently have real, seeing red, red handed (sometimes a hate listen), casefile, Canadian true crime, dark topic, tortoise media, mens rea, death on the ice, they walk among us, UK true crime and true crime garage

Preferably UK, Irish, Australia or NZ. Then will take America.
No screechy hosts, they can get in the bin.

Don't mind long form or singular episodes.

Many thanks!

screechy podcast hosts are the worst lol.

I have to admit, I prefer British/European podcasts as a lot of the American ones IME tend to be very OTT and expressive, whereas I prefer a bit of … subtlety? Calmness? When I’m listening.

just listened to the Butterfly King and loved it!

has anyone listened to Garden of Eden/Our little Ede? It’s such a strange and very sad case.
 
You have very similar taste to me, @The Devils Arse my current favourites not on your list are Midlands Murder Files, True Crime Campfire and Women & Crime. The last two are American but very good. Oh, and Murder in the North (Nordic true crime) as well but it only has 26 episodes and doesn't seem to be in production anymore.
 
Spotify wrapped tells me I’m in the top 2% worldwide listeners to true crime pods, yet I think Spotify is probably about my 4th choice of platform. I use Apple podcasts, Wondery and Audible far more.
I think I need to get out more!
Anyway. Any recommendations for lesser known pods? Previous favourites include Real, West Cork, S Town, True Crime Bullshit and a podcast I listened to about Q-Anon that I now can’t find but was really fascinating.
 
According to spotify unwrapped I spent 10,392 minutes listening to podcasts and I'm in the top 5% of true crime listeners worldwide. My top podcasts were: Unraveled, Real Crime Profile, Guilt, Bronwyn and Shandee's Story. Them last 2 are from the guy that did the Teacher's Pet. Still currently listening to Bronwyn as it took a long break but theres a few more episodes on there now. Can recommend:

- Kill List
- Hell & Gone Murder line
- The boy in the water
- Bronwyn
- Guilt

Thats as far back as i can go to previous. I'll have another look a bit later and come back with more.
 
Morning,

I've rage deleted quite a few podcasts this morning. I can't bear it when the hosts conduct interviews over the phone, and the quality is tit, crackly and I can't hear. I think I'm getting old! I just want a decent sound production and engaging stories.

Looking for some new recommendations please! Currently have real, seeing red, red handed (sometimes a hate listen), casefile, Canadian true crime, dark topic, tortoise media, mens rea, death on the ice, they walk among us, UK true crime and true crime garage

Preferably UK, Irish, Australia or NZ. Then will take America.
No screechy hosts, they can get in the bin.

Don't mind long form or singular episodes.

Many thanks!

Necronomipod. They’re American and take the piss a little bit, but I really enjoy their episodes. They do a JBR deep dive which was very interesting.
 
Necronomipod. They’re American and take the piss a little bit, but I really enjoy their episodes. They do a JBR deep dive which was very interesting.
Oh, I haven't heard of them. I'm interested in hearing the JBR deep dive so I'll add them to my list.
I've been listening to Deadly Mirage, about the Rob and Sabrina Limon case. Again, it's American but is very good, great sound and the interviews with friend and family don't go forever.
 
Morning,

I've rage deleted quite a few podcasts this morning. I can't bear it when the hosts conduct interviews over the phone, and the quality is tit, crackly and I can't hear. I think I'm getting old! I just want a decent sound production and engaging stories.

Looking for some new recommendations please! Currently have real, seeing red, red handed (sometimes a hate listen), casefile, Canadian true crime, dark topic, tortoise media, mens rea, death on the ice, they walk among us, UK true crime and true crime garage

Preferably UK, Irish, Australia or NZ. Then will take America.
No screechy hosts, they can get in the bin.

Don't mind long form or singular episodes.

Many thanks!
Mens Rea is Irish and some UK stories and a great podcast.
 
Also for anyone who likes the science aspect of how crimes are solved via familial DNA, the podcast DNA ID is great!

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Wow if everything in here is true then I really don't think it's a mystery. It makes it very clear to see it was the Ramseys, most likely Burke hitting her on the head, the parents covering up, and I'm undecided on the paintbrush and strangulation being Burke or John.

I'd never paid too much attention to the case and assumed it was them. Then watched the new Netflix doc which made me think it was maybe more likely to be an intruder (who knew them), given that another girl from the same dance studio was a victim in a similar attempted crime not long after.

But, I hadn't heard before that:

- the pineapple in her stomach matched the pineapple in the bowl and it's undisputed that she ate it about 2 hours before she died and shortly before being hit on the head.

- undisputed timeline of her injuries, first head then paintbrush and strangulation 45-90 minutes later. Much clearer picture of what happened to her. - this is still disputed, experts have argued both that lack of blood in the head injury is because she had been strangled first, but others argue that she was strangled after the head injury as a cover up. Never been conclusively proven either way and thats why the autopsy states both are fatal injuries.

- the neighbour saw the kitchen light on at around midnight.

- there was faeces in her room, smeared on her candy and on boys pants.
She had issues with toileting, thats undisputed, but it has never been established whether the stuff on her candy was intentional or just mess.

- the marks on her body were a perfect fit to the train track toy, they don't fit a stun gun injury.
Some experts have pointed out that they are abrasions not burns, however they dont exactly match the train track either. Also one report says 'discolouration of unequal size' and another report says 'similar in size and round in shape' directly contradicting. Pathologist Cyril Wecht said they could be from being pressed against stones on the floor of the basement. Kolar introduced the train track theory, said it was a O-gauge track. The problem with this is that Lionel O gage trach (the one burke had) had 3 pins, not two. If the middle pin was removed, kolar suggests, this could make the mark. The problem is they have a rounded edge, so in replicated experiments, they don't break the skin, just leave marks\bruises. you could try to break the skin, but that would likely leave puncture holes.

- the end of the 911 call is stronger evidence than I'd realised given the handlers documented reaction and the deciphered words. Burke was awake.
Just listened to a podcast who came to the conclusion that there isnt much there, other than audio artefacts and no cleaning software has ever been able to isolate any speech properly and so its hard to come to a conclusion. II certainly cant make anything out. The CBS documentary where they are all sitting round listening to it and they all do a shocked face and say 'This changes everything!' was based on James kolars book (they dont tell you that though).

- hard to believe at first but the injuries could have been caused by a child, and actually had they been caused by an adult would be worse. (Burke was the same age as James Bulger's killers). Whoever strangled her was either weaker than an adult or held back.
Or the strangulation was just staging, she had no internal injuries to her neck, so it wasnt very hard.

- evidence of previous SA, poor poor girl, I'd never heard about the experts who reviewed this and agreed on the evidence from the autopsy. I thought it was speculation.
Experts have all come to different conclusion on that one. Everyone is paid, paid by the prosecution, paid by the defense, to come up with conclusions that favour their needs. Her paediatrician said no evidence, but he would say that. The police claimed she had been to the doctors 27 times for vaginitis but really she had been once for vaginitis, the rest were for coughs, colds etc. The only conclusive evidence is that she was SA'd on the night of her murder, they all disagree on anything before. Or use the bedwetting as evidence.

- the confusion around John telling his older children he'd found her at 11am before he'd officially found her around 1pm.

- the scale of the lack of cooperation from the Ramseys, not handing in clothes etc. This article lays some of their most obvious lying nice and clearly too.
It wasnt all the ramseys being evasive. The police weren't allowed by the DA to do the most basic of things like get permission to interview the ramseys or collect their bank charges, clothes or phone records. They were also advised not to engage by their lawyers (which I do not understand).

- Burke admitting on Dr Phil in 2016 that he was awake after everyone else, but then refusing to speak to police about it.

Yeah, that was weird!


Jumping back to the Netflix doc, two things that shocked me were John discussing how he and the doctor decided to stop Patsy's cancer medication and also the sheer amount of money both John and Burke have received in suing, multi-millions, sickening.
Its common to get dementia in the late stages of cancer, been through it, had to make that decision myself.
Have added some contradictions (not to criticise you, but that article presents some 'evidence' as facts where no agreed facts have been established)
 
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