Tiffany Thinks #23

[Turaj]

And that is exactly what viewers felt between the lines of sweet talk and crying sessions. There is something seriously amiss with her moral compass at this moment.

"I am a sensitive little soul" Jenny says to close out this video. All the more reason to keep your accounts limited to family and friends that have been pre screened to make sure they send the +++ vibes and keep accounts PRIVATE.

 

[mayday mayday]

Deep breath ... I work for one of the largest health care systems in the U.S. I have a choice of 2 health insurance plans: a PPO and a sort-of HMO in which I must obtain all of my health care at a facility in the system. The PPO is now too costly so I have to go with the sort-of HMO now. I underwent an outpatient surgery on March 30 (details provided upon request LOL). Between my deductible and my out-of-pocket expenses I am out the first $5000 that is not covered by insurance. Between all of the imaging, MD visits, and surgery I now owe over $4000. I just got another bill yesterday from one of the surgeons (yes I needed to have two surgeons). For example the MRI alone cost me $784 after insurance paid their share. So after putting around $2000 on a credit card I had to ask to be put on a payment plan for the rest. I am fortunate in that I am working and can eventually pay this down. But golly gee you'd think the deductible would be lower for people who work for a large healthcare system. Ok stepping down from my soapbox now Hopefully Kyle's family deductible isn't crazy high; also I think some (or all) of the scans Jenny gets as part of the clinical trial would be paid for by whoever is conducting the trial.

 

[Saydee]

"I am a sensitive little soul" Jenny says to close out this video. All the more reason to keep your accounts limited to family and friends that have been pre screened to make sure they send the +++ vibes and keep accounts PRIVATE.

Agree with this Turaj.
Jenny has enough to be dealing with, without worrying about comments on her channel. Solution is easy, switch it to private and have the channel for what it was intended for, if its for her kids to remember her by.
Mostof us saw how Jessica was affected by negative comments on her channel, but shes put herself first and taken a break away from videos. It is the obvious and easiest solution.

 

[PuzzlesAndWine]

"I am a sensitive little soul" Jenny says to close out this video. All the more reason to keep your accounts limited to family and friends that have been pre screened to make sure they send the +++ vibes and keep accounts PRIVATE.

I agree, may be time for her to step away or go private, she's got enough stress to deal with. I see some comments saying she's gaslighting, I see viewers arguing with each other and taking sides and lots apologizing because they feel caring about her caused her sadness. Keeps looking familiar. Hope this isn't a turning point for her channel like T had with surgery or no surgery. I think she's genuine and nothing like T but I wish she hadn't put out the last 2 vlogs
To add, I also just saw a comment saying she should wait on a letter from an attorney of city of hope since version 1 of the story wasn't true

 

[Turaj]

I agree, may be time for her to step away or go private, she's got enough stress to deal with. I see some comments saying she's gaslighting, I see viewers arguing with each other and taking sides and lots apologizing because they feel caring about her caused her sadness. Keeps looking familiar. Hope this isn't a turning point for her channel like T had with surgery or no surgery. I think she's genuine and nothing like T but I wish she hadn't put out the last 2 vlogs
To add, I also just saw a comment saying she should wait on a letter from an attorney of city of hope since version 1 of the story wasn't true

She did mention that all this controversy has driven up views....I think this may be a trend to get numbers up....I think she will continue. For some reason the most down to earth YTubers I have come across are the Krocks. Jessica could have used the severe depression etc to keep the drama going and get more views but took the smart choice and is taking some time off. Jenny will not step back but rather film everything as this could get pretty rough and the more YT revenue for her family when she is gone the better. Just being real...her situation is pretty bad.

 

[Make sense of it!]

It's all beginning to look a lot like Tiffany.

 

[Elpis]

I'm just shocked at how she flat-out lied - and then her next video is about the commenters' reactions? WTF?

She clearly said that the doctor just blew her off when she said she was told she could have pain relief - and then she said she "could have pushed it" but implied she's just too sweet and meek to do it. THEN calmy stated in the last video that they OFFERED for her to wait and get the right kind of room and she CHOSE to go ahead without pain relief. My jaw just hit the floor.

I guess there's not much you can do when you're caught in an egregious lie - but she just smoothly rambled on and on about how sensitive she is to the effing comments. I'm sorry - but that's pathological lying and I won't trust another word out of her vegan mouth - well, I'll stop watching. I was getting tired of vegan this, vegan that, aren't we just the coolest, most perfect parents - people - you've ever seen?

Oh and somewhere our favorite narcissist Tiffany is fuming that Jenny has taken over HER thread!

 

[Make sense of it!]

I'm just shocked at how she flat-out lied - and then her next video is about the commenters' reactions? WTF?

She clearly said that the doctor just blew her off when she said she was told she could have pain relief - and then she said she "could have pushed it" but implied she's just too sweet and meek to do it. THEN calmy stated in the last video that they OFFERED for her to wait and get the right kind of room and she CHOSE to go ahead without pain relief. My jaw just hit the floor.

I guess there's not much you can do when you're caught in an egregious lie - but she just smoothly rambled on and on about how sensitive she is to the effing comments. I'm sorry - but that's pathological lying and I won't trust another word out of her vegan mouth - well, I'll stop watching. I was getting tired of vegan this, vegan that, aren't we just the coolest, most perfect parents - people - you've ever seen?

Oh and somewhere our favorite narcissist Tiffany is fuming that Jenny has taken over HER thread!

Many people have copied and pasted her exact words from the transcript of that video into the comments of this one to prove exactly what she said!! It's YT life people will pick holes in EVERYTHING you say and do it goes with the territory.
I realised a couple of weeks ago that TT cult has gravitated to Jenny's channel including all the keyboard health care professionals. I'm sure TT is pissed that Jenny has stolen her thunder
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I think these sum it up well.

 

[Elpis]

Thank you for posting the comments! I'm too annoyed to go back and read them.

It's weird how sometimes it slowly strarts to creep up on you that you're being manipulated (which is fake and another form of lying). I'm sure many others were quicker than I was to notice my spidey senses were feeling icky about her inauthenticity - everything so staged and narrated with a theatrical voice.

Oh well, many people on influencer channels have narcissistic traits so I might as well get used to it. And it's your fault, Emily Hayward, that I'm so trusting! One good apple. Well I'm exaggerating - but so many bad apples are bobbing up. Maybe this will teach me some skills in recognizing manipulation that I can use in my real life.

 

[suzeq]

Deep breath ... I work for one of the largest health care systems in the U.S. I have a choice of 2 health insurance plans: a PPO and a sort-of HMO in which I must obtain all of my health care at a facility in the system. The PPO is now too costly so I have to go with the sort-of HMO now. I underwent an outpatient surgery on March 30 (details provided upon request LOL). Between my deductible and my out-of-pocket expenses I am out the first $5000 that is not covered by insurance. Between all of the imaging, MD visits, and surgery I now owe over $4000. I just got another bill yesterday from one of the surgeons (yes I needed to have two surgeons). For example the MRI alone cost me $784 after insurance paid their share. So after putting around $2000 on a credit card I had to ask to be put on a payment plan for the rest. I am fortunate in that I am working and can eventually pay this down. But golly gee you'd think the deductible would be lower for people who work for a large healthcare system.

Thanks for the 411 on the US medical system. Lots of questions, if you'll indulge someone who truly does not know how this whole system works, but am very interested. I hope you are recovering well. ❤

Is there any substantive difference between PPO and HMO? Do you also have to make monthly payments for your plan, as well as pay a deductible for service plus pay the balance that's not covered? Does your employer have access to/knowledge of your medical information and care, or is it separate and private still?

So, you can have health care for an issue cease simply because you just don't want to pay further or can't afford to continue pursuing care for a health problem? Possibly right when your health is getting worse and you need important care the most, as your illness drags on? Do you ever get annoyed if a doctor doesn't figure something out on the first go, if you have to keep returning and paying more deductible or for more tests? If so, doesn't this impact your very relationship when money enters into their care of you?

What if you become so ill that you can no longer do your job, do you lose your insurance plan too when you need it most? Continuity of coverage for minor children if you lose/change employment? Or if you change jobs, do you lose access to the "network" of doctors or healthcare facilities and you must go elsewhere and have to start all over again?

How do doctors decide which system they'll work for and can they work for more than one? Do these plans advertise for medical professionals? Are there medical facilities that house healthcare from a lot of different providers/plans under the same roof, eg, two doctors in the same office available to patients under different HMO or PPO plans? Can providers take public healthcare patients too or is your system completely divided? Can you lose out on the best doctors because you're not in their "network" (not sure if I'm saying that correctly)?

It seems like a vicious cycle, you can have the best plan but only if you're healthy enough to afford it (and therefore not need most of it). If you become unhealthy and can't work, you lose out unless you're wealthy to pay the entire amount out of pocket. I could be wrong how it works? Everyone must feel extremely nervous whenever any kind of possible serious illness is being investigated or you're considering change in employment. That can't be good for wellbeing and worry and strsss levels? What happens after retirement?

Solution is easy, switch it to private and have the channel for what it was intended for, if its for her kids to remember her by.
Mostof us saw how Jessica was affected by negative comments on her channel, but shes put herself first and taken a break away from videos. It is the obvious and easiest solution.

Or turn off comments entirely...

Oh and somewhere our favorite narcissist Tiffany is fuming that Jenny has taken over HER thread!

This was genius and made me LOL. Big competition going on in narcissistland for top position! A lot of jockeying going on amongst the top contenders!

 

[Elpis]

Thanks for the 411 on the US medical system. Lots of questions, if you'll indulge someone who truly does not know how this whole system works, but am very interested. I hope you are recovering well. ❤

Is there any substantive difference between PPO and HMO? Do you also have to make monthly payments for your plan, as well as pay a deductible for service plus pay the balance that's not covered? Does your employer have access to/knowledge of your medical information and care, or is it separate and private still?

So, you can have health care for an issue cease simply because you just don't want to pay further or can't afford to continue pursuing care for a health problem? Possibly right when your health is getting worse and you need important care the most, as your illness drags on? Do you ever get annoyed if a doctor doesn't figure something out on the first go, if you have to keep returning and paying more deductible or for more tests? If so, doesn't this impact your very relationship when money enters into their care of you?

What if you become so ill that you can no longer do your job, do you lose your insurance plan too when you need it most? Continuity of coverage for minor children if you lose/change employment? Or if you change jobs, do you lose access to the "network" of doctors or healthcare facilities and you must go elsewhere and have to start all over again?

How do doctors decide which system they'll work for and can they work for more than one? Do these plans advertise for medical professionals? Are there medical facilities that house healthcare from a lot of different providers/plans under the same roof, eg, two doctors in the same office available to patients under different HMO or PPO plans? Can providers take public healthcare patients too or is your system completely divided? Can you lose out on the best doctors because you're not in their "network" (not sure if I'm saying that correctly)?

It seems like a vicious cycle, you can have the best plan but only if you're healthy enough to afford it (and therefore not need most of it). If you become unhealthy and can't work, you lose out unless you're wealthy to pay the entire amount out of pocket. I could be wrong how it works? Everyone must feel extremely nervous whenever any kind of possible serious illness is being investigated or you're considering change in employment. That can't be good for wellbeing and worry and strsss levels? What happens after retirement?



Or turn off comments entirely...



This was genius and made me LOL. Big competition going on in narcissistland for top position! A lot of jockeying going on amongst the top contenders!

Oh I love diving into quizzes - and unfortunately I've had quite a bit of experience with our health system.

HMO: Typically, you have to have a main general doctor who you need to refer you to a specialist, and you often have to beg the insurance companies for scans and such even if the doctor recommends them. The insurance approves everything, line by line, and you can spend hours on hold trying to get their approval for stuff. You have a "network" of doctors you must choose from though most companies will cover the out of network doctors/services at a reduced rate, like 60% instead of 80% (or 100% after deductible and "co-pay"). With PPO you don't have to be referred (assuming the specialist doesn't require it). PPO costs more but you don't have to stay in any networks or beg as much for services.

Yes, you have to make monthly payments unless your employer covers it for you (rarer than it used to be). You also have a "deductible" each year that you must pay before your insurance kicks in. Even then, often they only pay a percentage of the cost, until you hit an "out of pocket" limit, which most policies have. Insurance companies used to have lifetime limits, after which they pay nothing! But I think Obamacare outlawed that. Legally, your employer isn't allowed to access your health information.

One protection about your reaching a situation where you just can't pay anymore - the gov't can declare you "disabled" (when doctors submit the forms) and you get Medicaid and even Medicare. Medicaid is for the poor and each state decides who qualifies. Medicare is for people 65 and older and you do pay a premium but it's low (like $150 I think) and the deductible is also low (maybe $200). It's PPO and it's great! but you have to pay 20% of the Medicare-approved cost of your care -- or have a backup insurance plan. There's another thing: Medicare Advantage which is HMO (networks, companies having to approve everything, etc.) Doctors choose which companies' policies they accept or even if they accept Medicare or Medicaid. It's up to doctors or hospitals, etc., to choose to be in a network.

Obamacare set up a registry with the gov't that you can use to find insurance if you can't get it through work -- there are subsidies based on your income and a poor person might pay $15 a month while a middle-class person making $50,000 a year might pay $700-1200 a month (It's probably higher since I checked a few years ago.) At some income, the subsidies fade out but you can get the policies at full price, regardless of any pre conditions which used to be a nightmare for anyone who had had cancer, had diabetes, etc. They were just refused coverage. (I'll try to see what I missed as this is getting so long - and any Americans on here can correct me - I just have experience in three states and they vary a lot)
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Well, I think I rambled on enough, but almost every person 65 or older gets Medicare, either because they worked 10 years or they can file on their spouse's ten-year work record. Disabled people can get either Medicaid or Medicare (which kicks in after 4 years disabled). Most doctors take gov't insurance and also private (which they prefer but since every oldster has Medicare, they pretty much have to take it to have enough patients, unless they're in a very wealthy area like New York City fancy suburbs and can get away with private pay customers only) Sheesh -- sorry to go on and on, I feel like I got a university degree in this tit. oh... most doctors take Medicare but not many take Medicaid -- you often have to go to a university run hospital or find a low-income clinic -- it's sad.

 

[mayday mayday]

Thanks for the 411 on the US medical system. Lots of questions, if you'll indulge someone who truly does not know how this whole system works, but am very interested. I hope you are recovering well. ❤
Thank you ... here are some very very brief answers to some of your really thoughtful questions ...
Is there any substantive difference between PPO and HMO? Yes with HMO you must stay within the medical group that you select. In a PPO plan you have a wider selection of where you can go, these facilities are considered in network. If you go for care out of network the copays are much higher. This is just a very brief explanation.

Do you also have to make monthly payments for your plan,(yes the premium is deducted from each paycheck twice a month. Around $200 each month) as well as pay a deductible for service plus pay the balance that's not covered? Hmmm.. for example my MRI cost around $5600, the insurance pays a set amount to the hospital, then my share of the bill was $784 which is applied against the $5000 annual deductible. Does your employer have access to/knowledge of your medical information and care, or is it separate and private still? Still protected

So, you can have health care for an issue cease simply because you just don't want to pay further or can't afford to continue pursuing care for a health problem? One option (if income is low) would be to apply for charity care. Also if low income the patient might qualify for public aid.

Possibly right when your health is getting worse and you need important care the most, as your illness drags on? If very ill might qualify for disability payments ... Do you ever get annoyed if a doctor doesn't figure something out on the first go, if you have to keep returning and paying more deductible or for more tests? This did happen to me years ago but not recently ...
If so, doesn't this impact your very relationship when money enters into their care of you?

What if you become so ill that you can no longer do your job, do you lose your insurance plan too when you need it most? Yes.. if permanently unable to work I would be able to apply for disability and Medicare coverage. Continuity of coverage for minor children if you lose/change employment? Or if you change jobs, do you lose access to the "network" of doctors or healthcare facilities and you must go elsewhere and have to start all over again?

How do doctors decide which system they'll work for and can they work for more than one? Nowadays docs usually work for one healthcare system. Do these plans advertise for medical professionals? Are there medical facilities that house healthcare from a lot of different providers/plans under the same roof, eg, two doctors in the same office available to patients under different HMO or PPO plans? Actually yes ... true example.. XYZ hospital built a new hospital and on that campus ABC hospital is leasing space for a medical oncology practice and yet another hospital system is leasing space for a rehab facility.
Can providers take public healthcare patients too or is your system completely divided? Can you lose out on the best doctors because you're not in their "network" (not sure if I'm saying that correctly)? YES!!

It seems like a vicious cycle, you can have the best plan but only if you're healthy enough to afford it (and therefore not need most of it). If you become unhealthy and can't work, you lose out unless you're wealthy to pay the entire amount out of pocket. I could be wrong how it works? ... Many patients in my area are on Medicaid (public aid, subsidized by the government/tax payers.)
Everyone must feel extremely nervous whenever any kind of possible serious illness is being investigated or you're considering change in employment. That can't be good for wellbeing and worry and strsss levels? What happens after retirement? At age 65 workers qualify for Medicare. I have a coworker who took early retirement at age 63 and can continue her same insurance for 18 months under the COBRA program. But its costing her $800 per month .. but she can afford it.

See above ... edit ... I just saw that Elpis answered as well with much better explanations than mine

 

[suzeq]

Wow, thanks for your comprehensive response! Perhaps it's because everyone grows up in the system, you have a greater comfort level and familiarity with it and how to navigate it. I'm overwhelmed simply reading your synopsis about how it works! I don't know how everyone manages it. I'm concerned the complexity itself might leave many not receiving the care they need, they give up due to the headaches trying to access it or even figure it out.

It seems complicated with what appear to be the "middlemen" being the gatekeepers. I wonder why these medical overseers know better than the physicians regarding what is the best investigatory or treatment approach when THEIR objective is financial as opposed to optimal health outcome for patients (are meds even covered under these systems or is that an entirely different system than HMO/PPO/gov't?). That seems a conflict when there are two competing, conflicting interests, it seems to me a regulatory body should be setting and monitoring standards of care, not the organizations wanting to save money. It starts to feel like bargain hunting or needing to be beggy to obtain care versus an equal right to it as so many countries view healthcare. It's a very different philosophy.

Who has time to even work full time or take care of yourself when having to deal with ongoing coverage details, especially when one is ill and needing the care! The US has cutting edge medical expertise, no question. I'm just thinking that surely there is a better, easier structure to administer it within in order to maximise every healthcare dollar to its fullest potential as possible. Every system has its issues, there will always be finite resources for expensive and an ongoing unmet need for more healthcare. Certainly, government run systems become overburdened and can't meet their care needs, either which is why hybrid systems now abound. In the end, perhaps each system simply meets up at the same point anyway through different approaches and philosophies, and also how it's determined who will and will not be the ones to have their needs met in a society. I'm glad to read seniors have their own system. I haven't heard much about how Obamacare worked out, thanks for the current insights.

We are very fortunate to have many healthcare professionals here, many employed by healthcare institutions, and many Tattlers experienced in the use of various systems around the world. What a goldmine of knowledge and experience!

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

 

[Elpis]

Oh no! I didn't mean to step on your answer - I would love to hear your take, mayday mayday. You're right, suzeq - it's really really complicated. Where much of this mess started in the US was when it was decided that health insurance would be tied in with your employment. A few years ago, I heard a conservative politician say that gov't healthcare takes away the incentive for people to get off their sofas and go to work. (I think that kind of sums up the opposition to social benefits of any kind -- or at least they 'say' that, and what they really care about is corporations, and doctors for that matter, making as much money as possible. Companies and doctors' orgs like the AMA pay a flipping fortune for "lobbyists" who target our Congressmen to make sure the gov't doesn't take over any bit of healthcare that the right-wing pols can prevent.)

We have an extremely diverse country and I think I'd have to say that for many, many people, they just don't like ethnic groups other than their own and they don't want their tax money used to support the "other", that they consider lowlifes/lazy bums/inferiors/etc. It took Roosevelt, Johnson, Obama, and others an extraordinary effort to get the social benefits that we do have, as minimal as they are. They were fought every step of the way by monied interests (and ethnocentrics, to put it as politely as I can manage). We'll see if such a place can continue, where people don't see all the people of the country as fellow worthy citizens.
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Oh I missed a question: drugs are often (usually?) separate and you can get insurance policies just for them (sometimes they're included with health insurance policies, esp if given in hospital). There are exceptions like chemo and drugs transplant patients need for life that are always included in health insurance policies- also some policies cover all diabetic drugs/supplies. A law requires preventive care to be covered for free (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc)

 

[suzeq]

Oh no! I didn't mean to step on your answer - I would love to hear your take, mayday mayday. You're right, suzeq - it's really really complicated. Where much of this mess started in the US was when it was decided that health insurance would be tied in with your employment. A few years ago, I heard a conservative politician say that gov't healthcare takes away the incentive for people to get off their sofas and go to work. (I think that kind of sums up the opposition to social benefits of any kind -- or at least they 'say' that, and what they really care about is corporations, and doctors for that matter, making as much money as possible. Companies and doctors' orgs like the AMA pay a flipping fortune for "lobbyists" who target our Congressmen to make sure the gov't doesn't take over any bit of healthcare that the right-wing pols can prevent.)

We have an extremely diverse country and I think I'd have to say that for many, many people, they just don't like ethnic groups other than their own and they don't want their tax money used to support the "other", that they consider lowlifes/lazy bums/inferiors/etc. It took Roosevelt, Johnson, Obama, and others an extraordinary effort to get the social benefits that we do have, as minimal as they are. They were fought every step of the way by monied interests (and ethnocentrics, to put it as politely as I can manage). We'll see if such a place can continue, where people don't see all the people of the country as fellow worthy citizens.
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Oh I missed a question: drugs are often (usually?) separate and you can get insurance policies just for them (sometimes they're included with health insurance policies, esp if given in hospital). There are exceptions like chemo and drugs transplant patients need for life that are always included in health insurance policies- also some policies cover all diabetic drugs/supplies. A law requires preventive care to be covered for free (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc)

I think you're on the right track, I think anyone that gets into an "insurance" health scheme is automatically destined for a hierarchical system because insurance, at its very core, tries to limit the risk and make it more attractive to insurers by restricting access or separating out for higher premiums those who will make the most claims. Its objective is to limit risk.

So, as public systems distribute the burden of the pricier few by incorporating everyone into one scheme, thus spreading the risk and thereby reducing the per person cost to a larger taxed population to absorb, private insurance tries to take the healthier people out and lower THEIR costs whilst the government or individuals themselves have to carry the riskier and unhealthiest segment on their own. In one respect, the American system is more honest about healthcare costs because so much of the burden is placed on the individual while the amount you pay for socialised medicine is hidden in taxes. As @mayday mayday shared, there really is no hiding when you're immediately faced with the immediate bills for healthcare rendered. What is surprising is that the HMOs aren't more ruthless to demand payment PRIOR to the delivery of healthcare. It's like they're admitting they understand how tenuous it all is by only billing for a service already rendered and hoping for the best. Plus adding yet another cost into the system of needing to hire bill collectors, too.

I wonder why a single Medicare for seniors is considered acceptable, but not for the younger...

Regarding medications, I also wonder if people become cynical when meds for some conditions are covered, but not for others? Of course, this is generally an issue all over, as new meds are developed and governments too need to decide which ones will be covered and what you need to pay on your own or crowdfund. Meds for rare conditions always get the raw end.

I think I understand a bit more why so many are putting up GFM requests and also why it's such a sore spot where it too has an unfair system as to who receives monies and how in need of it and "deserving" of the generosity some people are. No wonder there became a Tattle section on health YTers and IGers! Of course, if people are asking for money, I don't see it out of line to inquire into their personal finances...

Another Tattle educational moment for me!

 

[Make sense of it!]

Thank you for posting the comments! I'm too annoyed to go back and read them.

It's weird how sometimes it slowly strarts to creep up on you that you're being manipulated (which is fake and another form of lying). I'm sure many others were quicker than I was to notice my spidey senses were feeling icky about her inauthenticity - everything so staged and narrated with a theatrical voice.

Oh well, many people on influencer channels have narcissistic traits so I might as well get used to it. And it's your fault, Emily Hayward, that I'm so trusting! One good apple. Well I'm exaggerating - but so many bad apples are bobbing up. Maybe this will teach me some skills in recognizing manipulation that I can use in my real life.

I'm going to offer up some advice you never asked for:
Please don't ever get emotionally or financially involved with anyone on You Tube (no matter how sweet or genuine they appear), YT is a BUSINESS full stop.
They all preach from the same hymn book. These people couldn't give a flying duck about you, they don't even know you exist, your presence on their channel is simply a pay check and nothing more. Watch, enjoy the content but avoid engaging.
Hope you are OK. Vent all you like. X

 

[Saydee]

I'm just shocked at how she flat-out lied - and then her next video is about the commenters' reactions? WTF?

She clearly said that the doctor just blew her off when she said she was told she could have pain relief - and then she said she "could have pushed it" but implied she's just too sweet and meek to do it. THEN calmy stated in the last video that they OFFERED for her to wait and get the right kind of room and she CHOSE to go ahead without pain relief. My jaw just hit the floor.

I guess there's not much you can do when you're caught in an egregious lie - but she just smoothly rambled on and on about how sensitive she is to the effing comments. I'm sorry - but that's pathological lying and I won't trust another word out of her vegan mouth - well, I'll stop watching. I was getting tired of vegan this, vegan that, aren't we just the coolest, most perfect parents - people - you've ever seen?

Oh and somewhere our favorite narcissist Tiffany is fuming that Jenny has taken over HER thread!

The thing is when we observe someone's journey via youtube, we do become emotionally invested to a degree. I spend my time hoping treatment will work its magic and Jenny will be around for a long while to watch her children grow. I felt the same about Tiffany, seeing her cry used to upset me. It was no wonder why those that cared became concerned and upset for Tiffany with the whole 'watch and wait' thing. The same with Jenny, its not nice seeing her bawling her eyes out, asking why the procedure was done without the planned pain relief.
And naturally it will raise questions aimed at the City of Hope? The same way subscribers questioned the Royal Marsden.

 

[Make sense of it!]

Things are getting TT "hectic" on Jenny.
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The thing is when we observe someone's journey via youtube, we do become emotionally invested to a degree. I spend my time hoping treatment will work its magic and Jenny will be around for a long while to watch her children grow. I felt the same about Tiffany, seeing her cry used to upset me. It was no wonder why those that cared became concerned and upset for Tiffany with the whole 'watch and wait' thing. The same with Jenny, its not nice seeing her bawling her eyes out, asking why the procedure was done without the planned pain relief.
And naturally it will raise questions aimed at the City of Hope? The same way subscribers questioned the Royal Marsden.

I respect your POV. For me personally as an RN it's very easy to not become emotionally involved with a patient as we see it every day and l guess that flows through.

 

[Saydee]

Does this poster realise Jenny is terminally ill? What a stupid thing to write @ ALL the fluid should have been drained.
Jenny's pulmonary doctor did the correct thing in only draining what was needed. Pain can come around when all fluid is drained.
I understand that not all viewers are educated in cancer and its complications, but this is rudeness on another level. "I'm literally watching someone die and its weird"?
"You're speeding it up?"

 

[Make sense of it!]

Does this poster realise Jenny is terminally ill? What a stupid thing to write @ ALL the fluid should have been drained.
Jenny's pulmonary doctor did the correct thing in only draining what was needed. Pain can come around when all fluid is drained.
I understand that not all viewers are educated in cancer and its complications, but this is rudeness on another level. "I'm literally watching someone die and its weird"?
"You're speeding it up?"

Yup its getting hectic as l said.