Tiffany Thinks #23

[Turaj]

I actually think she does gain strength when recording her journey. She said as much as to picking up her camera when she was in without Kyle. I do fast forward as I find it difficult to watch protracted pain and the
expression of it, just because I feel helpless. Plus, this video was recorded a couple days ago, so it's long past and she's already in a different space. But, I do get a sense that she just wants to share it all, through everything, and she finds it helpful when she's feeling something overwhelming. When she recorded right before the procedure, I felt that her picking it up and recording was bolstering her courage, as though we were there with her.

But, I do find the videos long sometimes, so I admit to skipping ahead. She does do the eating music and walking music things, so, the videos have some extraneous things that I skip over. So, she's not without tricks. But, I get more of a sense that they want to record their entire life. Period. So, I do skip over a lot. Her video titles ARE what she claims the video to be about, so at least it's not clickbait like someone else we know.

Unless these videos are taken off the internet and destroyed, Jenny’s children will be watching them soon enough. That’s the most disturbing part of the endless suffering. She says she worries about other people’s feelings to a fault. I would never want my children to see me suffering like that. Also, I’m starting to get cringey when Kyle is feeding her the pain meds. It’s reminding me of someone else.

The only videos I would want my children to see would be ones when I am still looking and sounding good and telling them things you want them to remember throughout life when she is gone. Those would be very private and just for them...not the public. Just speculation as thankfully never faced something like this. I respect Jenny's journey and if this is what she wants to do is document this journey for others great. Call me mean but the kids marching in the fashion show parts to me are sort of cringeworthy. I would never make a negative comment over on her channel...I do really feel for her situation and wish there was some miracle treatment. I watch for good news for her but none coming lately.
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I also had to turn Jenny's video off, and the first thing I noticed was the thumbnail and asking viewers to answer in the comments about stuff. Yes, most vloggers use all those tactics, they just irritate me more now when I see them. I love Jenny and Kyle and feel so sad about her situation and can't imagine the stress either of them are under but also couldn't help thinking "why are you filming all this crying and the camera was set up to film in the hospital bed in severe pain?" I kept having flashbacks to she who must not be named, so I agree she has ruined it and clouded the actions of other vloggers for me. I do believe Jenny is genuine, it just wasn't a video for me.

You summed up my feelings exactly. I feel here we are more frank about how a video makes us feel and nothing about these feelings means we don't believe her or have the utmost compassion ...but yes TT has made me look at cancer vloggers in a very different way. Another example is Jessica Krock...that last video I questioned why she was putting herself thru that obvious torture. Fortunately she has take a very long break as I think that experience was so bad.

 

[H&N]

I have a feeling Tiffany could use some drivers lessons AGAIN, she's a danger on the road; Amma looking disgusting as usual, greasy hair, grumpy face, not talking English... she knows she's on camera you can make an afford and talk the language everybody understands;

Hallelujah! Tiffany will volunteer and help cancer patients opening their yoghurt .... unbelievable;

 

[Turaj]

I have a feeling Tiffany could use some drivers lessons AGAIN, she's a danger on the road; Amma looking disgusting as usual, greasy hair, grumpy face, not talking English... she knows she's on camera you can make an afford and talk the language everybody understands;

Hallelujah! Tiffany will volunteer and help cancer patients opening their yoghurt .... unbelievable;

I skimmed thru ..another 5** thumbs down experience. Really noting more than above. Agree about the facial expressions of Amma...way more than TT driving. Something is really off with her.

 

[c.sabatier]

Hi, I hope all of you are doing well. There is a little situation in my extended entourage for which I would appreciate any knowledgeable person here to give his or her impression of this situation. First of all, I know the answer is for the person to go to the doctor. However, this person has categorically refused all medical intervention. Even her husband is unable to convince her. Hence, the reason I am interested in impressions/advice/theories from the lovely, informed people on this forum. I'll try to make this concise, so, here it is:
84-yr old female, 11-yr survivor of an aggressive BREAST CANCER (She had a mastectomy, chemotherapy, and radiation treatments over 10 years ago.) She has been in complete remission as per all subsequent yearly medical exams and testing as of 2 YEARS AGO, after which she refuses to go to doctors, dentists, etc. for any check-ups whatsoever.

Problem1: 3 weeks ago she developed flu-like symptoms, which went away after a few days. She never got c o vid before, was vaxxed 3 times, and tested negative for C ov. Result: Extreme fatigue, sleeping a lot during the day, and refusal to go out to do anything.

Problem2: She is now limping because she says she has pain on ONE 'bum', to use Tiffany's vocabulary.

She presents as a normal-weight person, (Though, in her younger years, had been borderline obese.) The only known health problem she has is that her teeth have been decaying for years because she has refused to go to the dentist probably for over 30 years. Some of her teeth have actually fallen out. Again, her husband was powerless to convince her to see a dentist throughout her life. (However, he sets a good example because he has always had yearly checkups and dental care.)
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Could this be a recurrence of cancer, perhaps now in the bones? Is it just that ONE of her bums is sore because she had or has been lying down a lot? (In addition to a regular doctor, I think she should long ago have seen a psychologist for her refusal even to treat her decaying teeth.)
Is anyone here familiar with these types of stubborn people and how to treat them?
Thanks.

 

[MissB123]

She just goes on and on and on and on

 

[mayday mayday]

@c.sabatier only a few comments from me: dental issues can lead to severe cardiac issues (who knew?); also the bum pain might be due to a bedsore. Also severe depression or anemia could be the cause of the extreme fatigue. Of course the breast cancer returning in her bones is a possibility (for myself as well) and the pain and inability to walk could be due to an impending pathological fracture. Of course just a few of many possible diagnoses.

Yep I know people who avoid health and dental care: a longtime friend and my older sister. My friend is eating herself to death and its tied in with severe depression that has not responded to any treatments. For your friend ... it might end up that she falls and is unable to get up at which point her husband will need to call the for the emergency services/paramedics and that way she'll get to a hospital. I hope she gets the dental and medical care she needs, yes such a tough situation. It's tough for us who care about them but are unable to force them to seek help.

 

[c.sabatier]

Mayday mayday, thank you for your comment. I had not even thought of a pathological bone fracture. I did a quick search and found the following useful article:
Pathologic Fractures by Sarah E. Rizzo; Shachar Kenan. (Hypertext Link is given at end of post.)

From the 'Etiology' section of the article:
There are five recognized carcinomas that most frequently metastasize to bone, including lung, breast, thyroid, renal, and prostate. The most common sites for skeletal metastasis include the spine, proximal femur, and pelvis.[2][3]

From the 'History and Physical' section of the article:
Patients may or may not report B symptoms, including unintentional weight loss, fevers, etc.

I had forgotten to write that she did have a fever for a few days during her essentially bed-ridden few weeks. A relative who is a doctor mentioned the femur in her case. (He hasn't seen her yet, so is just guessing as well.) He said her limping could be caused by a problem in the femur.

The article is comprehensible enough for those who aren't medical doctors and also quite thorough.

Pathologic Fractures - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[Make sense of it!]

Hi, I hope all of you are doing well. There is a little situation in my extended entourage for which I would appreciate any knowledgeable person here to give his or her impression of this situation. First of all, I know the answer is for the person to go to the doctor. However, this person has categorically refused all medical intervention. Even her husband is unable to convince her. Hence, the reason I am interested in impressions/advice/theories from the lovely, informed people on this forum. I'll try to make this concise, so, here it is:
84-yr old female, 11-yr survivor of an aggressive BREAST CANCER (She had a mastectomy, chemotherapy, and radiation treatments over 10 years ago.) She has been in complete remission as per all subsequent yearly medical exams and testing as of 2 YEARS AGO, after which she refuses to go to doctors, dentists, etc. for any check-ups whatsoever.

Problem1: 3 weeks ago she developed flu-like symptoms, which went away after a few days. She never got c o vid before, was vaxxed 3 times, and tested negative for C ov. Result: Extreme fatigue, sleeping a lot during the day, and refusal to go out to do anything.

Problem2: She is now limping because she says she has pain on ONE 'bum', to use Tiffany's vocabulary.

She presents as a normal-weight person, (Though, in her younger years, had been borderline obese.) The only known health problem she has is that her teeth have been decaying for years because she has refused to go to the dentist probably for over 30 years. Some of her teeth have actually fallen out. Again, her husband was powerless to convince her to see a dentist throughout her life. (However, he sets a good example because he has always had yearly checkups and dental care.)
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Could this be a recurrence of cancer, perhaps now in the bones? Is it just that ONE of her bums is sore because she had or has been lying down a lot? (In addition to a regular doctor, I think she should long ago have seen a psychologist for her refusal even to treat her decaying teeth.)
Is anyone here familiar with these types of stubborn people and how to treat them?
Thanks.

Let the Lady die in peace, she has obviously made a decision long ago but not discussed it or made advanced care directives/NFR plans. Accept that it is her body and her choice. I know watching on is very difficult for those that love her, once you accept this you might be better able to support her in her decisions. Get the family to have an open judgement free conversation with her. I have seen this situation before and personally experienced it. I know lve not helped in any way. Sending you a big virtual hug. X
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The only videos I would want my children to see would be ones when I am still looking and sounding good and telling them things you want them to remember throughout life when she is gone. Those would be very private and just for them...not the public. Just speculation as thankfully never faced something like this. I respect Jenny's journey and if this is what she wants to do is document this journey for others great. Call me mean but the kids marching in the fashion show parts to me are sort of cringeworthy. I would never make a negative comment over on her channel...I do really feel for her situation and wish there was some miracle treatment. I watch for good news for her but none coming lately.
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You summed up my feelings exactly. I feel here we are more frank about how a video makes us feel and nothing about these feelings means we don't believe her or have the utmost compassion ...but yes TT has made me look at cancer vloggers in a very different way. Another example is Jessica Krock...that last video I questioned why she was putting herself thru that obvious torture. Fortunately she has take a very long break as I think that experience was so bad.

That live of Jessica and Brian's was to quote our girl "hectic" lm unsurprised they have taken a long break, l think they needed it and respect to them they they have taken a break.
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Unless these videos are taken off the internet and destroyed, Jenny’s children will be watching them soon enough. That’s the most disturbing part of the endless suffering. She says she worries about other people’s feelings to a fault. I would never want my children to see me suffering like that. Also, I’m starting to get cringey when Kyle is feeding her the pain meds. It’s reminding me of someone else.

Did someone say morphine on the stairs
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I also had to turn Jenny's video off, and the first thing I noticed was the thumbnail and asking viewers to answer in the comments about stuff. Yes, most vloggers use all those tactics, they just irritate me more now when I see them. I love Jenny and Kyle and feel so sad about her situation and can't imagine the stress either of them are under but also couldn't help thinking "why are you filming all this crying and the camera was set up to film in the hospital bed in severe pain?" I kept having flashbacks to she who must not be named, so I agree she has ruined it and clouded the actions of other vloggers for me. I do believe Jenny is genuine, it just wasn't a video for me.

This isn't a tit on Jenny show just to make it absolutely clear! But the worst part was when it took me two seconds to realise that she had to set the camera up by herself and then film herself because Kyle was outside the entire time, that right there screams TT to me and lm not here for it. Also Jenny is 100% playing the YT bingo game it's on page 364 of the YT manual under "create engagement" let me know in the comments below

 

[c.sabatier]

Let the Lady die in peace...
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I know lve not helped in any way. Sending you a big virtual hug. X
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You've definitely helped as well. Your first sentence alone confirmed what I was thinking. At her age, when problems arise, people spiral downwards quickly enough, especially without medical intervention.
Of course, it could have been just a flu and she could just be having random back problems. If it is a cancer recurrence, I'll post it later in case some are curious, as long as these threads still exist! (I'm not that close to her, but I know people who are and they are frustrated she won't get tests done. I'll be opting out of their discussions because I dislike being in the presence of arguments.)

 

[Turaj]

Let the Lady die in peace, she has obviously made a decision long ago but not discussed it or made advanced care directives/NFR plans. Accept that it is her body and her choice. I know watching on is very difficult for those that love her, once you accept this you might be better able to support her in her decisions. Get the family to have an open judgement free conversation with her. I have seen this situation before and personally experienced it. I know lve not helped in any way. Sending you a big virtual hug. X
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That live of Jessica and Brian's was to quote our girl "hectic" lm unsurprised they have taken a long break, l think they needed it and respect to them they they have taken a break.
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Did someone say morphine on the stairs
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This isn't a tit on Jenny show just to make it absolutely clear! But the worst part was when it took me two seconds to realise that she had to set the camera up by herself and then film herself because Kyle was outside the entire time, that right there screams TT to me and lm not here for it. Also Jenny is 100% playing the YT bingo game it's on page 364 of the YT manual under "create engagement" let me know in the comments below

"create engagement" is that when they ask you to tell them something below about how you do things or your experience? That is so bogus as most of the time they don't even read the comments. A prime example today...Matt apparently had fixed a cabinet and asked tiffany if she told the audience ( a real man's concern right?) and she really did not so later on she asks everyone to in the comments thank Matt for fixing the cabinet. And of course from what I see most of them actually took the time to do that.

 

[Saydee]

Hi, I hope all of you are doing well. There is a little situation in my extended entourage for which I would appreciate any knowledgeable person here to give his or her impression of this situation. First of all, I know the answer is for the person to go to the doctor. However, this person has categorically refused all medical intervention. Even her husband is unable to convince her. Hence, the reason I am interested in impressions/advice/theories from the lovely, informed people on this forum. I'll try to make this concise, so, here it is:
84-yr old female, 11-yr survivor of an aggressive BREAST CANCER (She had a mastectomy, chemotherapy, and radiation treatments over 10 years ago.) She has been in complete remission as per all subsequent yearly medical exams and testing as of 2 YEARS AGO, after which she refuses to go to doctors, dentists, etc. for any check-ups whatsoever.

Problem1: 3 weeks ago she developed flu-like symptoms, which went away after a few days. She never got c o vid before, was vaxxed 3 times, and tested negative for C ov. Result: Extreme fatigue, sleeping a lot during the day, and refusal to go out to do anything.

Problem2: She is now limping because she says she has pain on ONE 'bum', to use Tiffany's vocabulary.

She presents as a normal-weight person, (Though, in her younger years, had been borderline obese.) The only known health problem she has is that her teeth have been decaying for years because she has refused to go to the dentist probably for over 30 years. Some of her teeth have actually fallen out. Again, her husband was powerless to convince her to see a dentist throughout her life. (However, he sets a good example because he has always had yearly checkups and dental care.)
_________________________________________

Could this be a recurrence of cancer, perhaps now in the bones? Is it just that ONE of her bums is sore because she had or has been lying down a lot? (In addition to a regular doctor, I think she should long ago have seen a psychologist for her refusal even to treat her decaying teeth.)
Is anyone here familiar with these types of stubborn people and how to treat them?
Thanks.

My mum had breast cancer which recurred over 10 years later. Mum initially had a mastectomy, 6 cycles of chemo, and a few weeks radiotherapy. Developed a limp and kept getting confused when speaking. It had spread to her brain, unfortunately. I think any cancer patient that experiences something persistent that doesn't go away should always be checked out.
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I feel sorry for Jenny having pleural fluid and now fluid accumulating around the heart. I think I asked before, but I am very suprised that Jenny hasn't had a perm pleura drain fitted. This way she would be able to lay down comfortably and be able to drain the fluid off as much as she needed to get instant relief.
In her second to last video I think she said there was a small build up around her heart too? I suspect this will become a big problem soon
Good to her Jessica took a break from blogging. It wasn't nice seeing her upset reading the comments on her channel.
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"The clips contain crying because her situation is worsening and she is sad and devastated."

It is tit.

 

[Make sense of it!]

"create engagement" is that when they ask you to tell them something below about how you do things or your experience? That is so bogus as most of the time they don't even read the comments. A prime example today...Matt apparently had fixed a cabinet and asked tiffany if she told the audience ( a real man's concern right?) and she really did not so later on she asks everyone to in the comments thank Matt for fixing the cabinet. And of course from what I see most of them actually took the time to do that.

That's it right there, "let me know in the comments below" or some often say if you made it this far into the video leave a sheep emoji in the comments. Jenny asked for people to let her know in the comments how to make blue milk.on May 4th, video went up after that date and she can google it anyway, creates engagement.

 

[Saydee]

It was featured as a part of Stand Up 2 Cancer campaign which is affiliated with the program. It was the same old clip, no updates, still pre-op. She’ll gain some more followers after this.

SU2C boil my piss. They are very selective about who they feature. They have zero interest in 70 year old Jack down the road who has no interest in social media.

 

[suzeq]

Unless these videos are taken off the internet and destroyed, Jenny’s children will be watching them soon enough. That’s the most disturbing part of the endless suffering. She says she worries about other people’s feelings to a fault. I would never want my children to see me suffering like that.

The only videos I would want my children to see would be ones when I am still looking and sounding good and telling them things you want them to remember throughout life when she is gone. Those would be very private and just for them...not the public.

Good point. I hadn't thought of the public videos and the kids, especially when she's made clear she tries to hide her pain from the kids. It would make me extremely uncomfortable knowing it was out there for the parents of the children's friends who might hear about it and share it with Jenny's kids, or them to stumble across themself in a few years.

Call me mean but the kids marching in the fashion show parts to me are sort of cringeworthy.

I have felt uncomfortable about those child catwalks too, I skip past them. For some reason, I don't like watching Kyle eat, either. It looks weird the way he looks into the camera while he's eating.

 

[ginnyw]

I am watching Tiffany's latest vlog. Don't know why I put myself through this torture. I mean - it starts with 'I'm going to make an orange juice.' So it can only go downhill from there. And she's 'making' it to that godawful tinkly music. And she has said 'floofy,' OMG. Get a dictionary, woman.
OK, fair's fair, she's applied to be a volunteer. That is something.

 

[Make sense of it!]

I am watching Tiffany's latest vlog. Don't know why I put myself through this torture. I mean - it starts with 'I'm going to make an orange juice.' So it can only go downhill from there. And she's 'making' it to that godawful tinkly music. And she has said 'floofy,' OMG. Get a dictionary, woman.
OK, fair's fair, she's applied to be a volunteer. That is something.

Yes she did apply to be a volunteer, she also stated they wait until 6mths post treatment, needed to determine if she was "fit" to be a volunteer. Can someone email the volunteer team at RM and give them a heads up on her YT channel and LET THRM DECIDE if they think this 31yr old child is fit to volunteer!! Perhaps mention in the email how she cannot bear to even be in the same waiting room as other Patients. Thanks in advance, Kindest Regards and all that.
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SU2C boil my piss. They are very selective about who they feature. They have zero interest in 70 year old Jack down the road who has no interest in social media.

Boil my piss not that l doubted you, but l went to SUTC and your right it's all stories of "young/ish" people or kids that are very photogenic!!! That really sucks its calculated for max donations l suppose bit like world vision ads with the babies etc.
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It's like 8pm at night, hours after the blood draw at GP so why the feck does she still have the cotton ball and tape on her bloody arm

 

[skyeblue50]

I am watching Tiffany's latest vlog. Don't know why I put myself through this torture. I mean - it starts with 'I'm going to make an orange juice.' So it can only go downhill from there. And she's 'making' it to that godawful tinkly music. And she has said 'floofy,' OMG. Get a dictionary, woman.
OK, fair's fair, she's applied to be a volunteer. That is something.

you forgot- it starts with a silly right arm stretch and a squeaky 3yr old voice saying 'hello my darling tiffany thinks family how are we all todayyyy'.

Makes me wanna vom. And there is not much thinking going on from Tiffany's end!

I've just stumbled upon Jenny Apple's videos and my 1st impression is there's confusion over whether it's a cancer or family vlog and it's just morphed into one, hence the kids doing the fashion show which i think is cute. I think she is filming 'warts and all' and the pain is the reality, perhaps they could be taken down at a future date? I did find it strange having a birthday party for the foetus she miscarried at 3 months in particular buying it presents and throwing a party!

 

[Turaj]

you forgot- it starts with a silly right arm stretch and a squeaky 3yr old voice saying 'hello my darling tiffany thinks family how are we all todayyyy'.

Makes me wanna vom. And there is not much thinking going on from Tiffany's end!

I've just stumbled upon Jenny Apple's videos and my 1st impression is there's confusion over whether it's a cancer or family vlog and it's just morphed into one, hence the kids doing the fashion show which i think is cute. I think she is filming 'warts and all' and the pain is the reality, perhaps they could be taken down at a future date? I did find it strange having a birthday party for the foetus she miscarried at 3 months in particular buying it presents and throwing a party!

I have not followed her that much and missed that birthday party...now that to me is very strange.

 

[lisette]

I also had to turn Jenny's video off, and the first thing I noticed was the thumbnail and asking viewers to answer in the comments about stuff. Yes, most vloggers use all those tactics, they just irritate me more now when I see them. I love Jenny and Kyle and feel so sad about her situation and can't imagine the stress either of them are under but also couldn't help thinking "why are you filming all this crying and the camera was set up to film in the hospital bed in severe pain?" I kept having flashbacks to she who must not be named, so I agree she has ruined it and clouded the actions of other vloggers for me. I do believe Jenny is genuine, it just wasn't a video for me.

I love Jenny, I was so sad when I saw the liquid that they drained from that procedure. If it makes her feel better to film, I can watch it. She’s a wonderful mother in person. She has anxiety which I can relate to. It’s been a bad week as Ivory passed, and Jenny, Sarah and Nicole. Have all had bad news

 

[Make sense of it!]

you forgot- it starts with a silly right arm stretch and a squeaky 3yr old voice saying 'hello my darling tiffany thinks family how are we all todayyyy'.

Makes me wanna vom. And there is not much thinking going on from Tiffany's end!

I've just stumbled upon Jenny Apple's videos and my 1st impression is there's confusion over whether it's a cancer or family vlog and it's just morphed into one, hence the kids doing the fashion show which i think is cute. I think she is filming 'warts and all' and the pain is the reality, perhaps they could be taken down at a future date? I did find it strange having a birthday party for the foetus she miscarried at 3 months in particular buying it presents and throwing a party!

Hi there, Thanks for being here. I think you have nailed it a cancer channel and family vlog morphed into one, lve not really been able to put my finger on it until l read your comment, l agree
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I love Jenny, I was so sad when I saw the liquid that they drained from that procedure. If it makes her feel better to film, I can watch it. She’s a wonderful mother in person. She has anxiety which I can relate to. It’s been a bad week as Ivory passed, and Jenny, Sarah and Nicole. Have all had bad news

Do you know Jenny personally? You said she's a wonderful mother in person. She is a great Mum no doubt about that.
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The next time one of you are in excruciating amount of pain, 10/10 unbearable, unrelenting needing IV pain meds basically feeling like you want to die immediately rather than live another moment in agony can you do me a favour? Jump up.off the Hospital bed, set up your camera, jump back into bed, curl up into a foetal position making sure the angel is perfect and film yourself, then post it here. Let that sink in for a moment.
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*angle* damn prediction text