thewelshrunner & kellogs_ontherun #8 ALL IN running in the Buff; you’ll get a PB if you WANT IT enough

Kelly has been going all in on Amsterdam 26.2 training, how will the day go?

  • DNS - excuse is the usual illness or another a&e trip

  • DNS - nothing mentioned ever again

  • DNF - balls to the wall for 13mi at BQ pace and blows up

  • DNF - injury

  • By some unicorn miracle a BQ happens

  • Sub 4h

  • Just over 4h

  • 4:15

  • 4:30

  • 4:45

  • 5h

  • >5h

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PawsDog said:
You know you are reading way too much tattle when you DREAM you go visit Wellogs with Jemma with a J. In the dream Jemma was particularly rude and snobby so I threw a glass of water over her. Harri was wildly feral and Kel couldn’t keep him under control. I absolutely need to get out more!! 😅😅😅😅😅
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I also had my first dream about her last night that in some miracle she ran a 43 minute 10K and actually beat my PB. I was fuming 🤣🤣🤣
 
nwrunner said:
Long time reader and now decided time to post! I honestly despise these two. I was really lucky and got into London marathon first time in the ballot for 2019, had never ran and was pregnant when I applied. Then got injured, then Covid and then pregnant so allowed to defer to next year!
I am so happy I found this thread, as I followed them thinking they gave sound advice and if I ever wanted to complete a marathon essentially need to do what she does! But now she actually scares Me, what they think is acceptable to put out there.
Also as a healthcare professional she is an awful example of a type 1. She should have much better control and also be very much aware of what is good nutrition. Normally to have the arm devices etc they have to do courses on carb counting etc so they know how much to inject and then similar for if they do a lot of sport!
I am totally expecting her to be a no show or to bonk, how are her legs even still going!
Don’t get me started on Welshtits! Why is she with him, he doesn’t seem to give a shit about any of the children and always just puts himself first. Why are they gifted everything!?
I also had about 3 weeks off from running as my baby wasn’t sleeping, husband was doing Chester marathon and we have a 4 year old, so other priorities came first and then I got Covid, so only running again this week. It presented as a cold. She likely has Covid which she will have got from Cardiff half and there we have it, her excuse to not run!
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Got to correct you there. You don't need to do a carb counting course for a libre (arm device). You literally just need to have type 1

But yeah agree with you completely on the DNS. but then I wonder if she'll go to Amsterdam anyway and do a super last minute drop out?
 
Combineharvestt said:
Got to correct you there. You don't need to do a carb counting course for a libre (arm device). You literally just need to have type 1

But yeah agree with you completely on the DNS. but then I wonder if she'll go to Amsterdam anyway and do a super last minute drop out?
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Sorry you are right! But they do as type 1 normally have to do a lot of courses like carb counting etc as they know it’s all about education! I think i was thinking type 2.
But still she probably has done courses on it and if she’s had it from child (I’m not sure the history) then her parents would have as well! It just boggles my mind that she eats so badly and advertises herself as a type 1. Like that is not what a type 1 should be eating regularly, or in general anyone, regardless of exercise! It really annoys me, she needs to stop hastagging type 1 until she can actually be a good example. There will be diabetes nurse specialists up and down the country trying to re educate a load of people because they follow her and her greggs and doughnut obsession!
 
Please tell why does she stop for 6 mins for a 40 mins run 😳
 

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Can someone explain taper to me? I thought it was a lot less miles, maybe a few easy runs, not too far, maybe like 1 or 2 speed sessions but short ones and that is it! Am I wrong?

Also, I stopped for 21 mins in totally on my intervals on Monday, I was very honest about it 😂 it was my first run back with 3 weeks off from Covid! Honestly I died, plus I ran through cow shit and that took me a while to get over and stopped to let horses passed? I didn’t want to spook them 😂
 
My coach has cut my mileage to 35 and increased my gym sessions and made my easy pace easy. After being injured for a year and having long covid I’m now back to within 2 mins of my 5k PB in just a few months. He would only max a 50 mile week when I’m getting close to ultras and most of that mileage would be back to back long runs!!
 
I don’t see an issue in differences between elapsed and moving time if you’re not pretending you’re much faster than you are and only sharing the pace for the moving bits. I don’t pause my watch for crossing roads etc and some of the ones round me are a right wait, my moving and elapsed times are different and whilst my garmin shares average pace including breaks my strava calculates moving only (I’m assuming you can change it but I can’t be bothered) and I just leave it. I’m not pretending I’m faster than I am though.
 
Northernscumpet said:
I don’t see an issue in differences between elapsed and moving time if you’re not pretending you’re much faster than you are and only sharing the pace for the moving bits. I don’t pause my watch for crossing roads etc and some of the ones round me are a right wait, my moving and elapsed times are different and whilst my garmin shares average pace including breaks my strava calculates moving only (I’m assuming you can change it but I can’t be bothered) and I just leave it. I’m not pretending I’m faster than I am though.
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I don’t stop my watch when waiting to cross the roads. But if I do stop my watch, I don’t pretend thats my pace. She doesn’t say anything at all about stopping. She says say that felt good, but she has stopped loads of times. Then people think that her easy pace and we all know dam well it not.
 
Northernscumpet said:
I don’t see an issue in differences between elapsed and moving time if you’re not pretending you’re much faster than you are and only sharing the pace for the moving bits. I don’t pause my watch for crossing roads etc and some of the ones round me are a right wait, my moving and elapsed times are different and whilst my garmin shares average pace including breaks my strava calculates moving only (I’m assuming you can change it but I can’t be bothered) and I just leave it. I’m not pretending I’m faster than I am though.
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Kelly has often posted a run on her IG and then quoted the moving pace as an example of her achieving a training run / pace.
So she is either misleading herself or misrepresenting herself.
 
Northernscumpet said:
Oh I agree, just saying the issue isn’t stopping, it’s the trying to present her moving pace as easy/comfortable runs and not talking about when she stops.
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This for me. I think becauee then when she ultimately ‘bonks’ at a race - she calls it a bad day at the office or has an excuse for it when actually it wasn’t a ‘ bonk’ , it was her true ability that turns up to the races and that she’s tried to hide in her training. Like last weeks half marathon was a good result for her but becauee her training paces (if you didn’t realise how often she stops etc) suggest she could run it faster , it looks like she’s just had a bad day. When it wasn’t - what she ran at Cardiff was the best she can give. Does that make sense? It does to me 🤣.
Basically her race results are a true reflection and a more accurate representation of where she is as a runner . The training sessions are all a lie unless you look at the elapsed paces / true heart rate data 🤣
I think she has a very warped sense of her own abilities 🤣
 
I really do think the ‘elapsed times’ are something that bite you on the arse in the marathon and will impact her effort at Amsterdam.

On paper she has every chance of a big PB and even a sub 4, but it’s hard to know when her longer training runs have these lengthy on/off stop times.

That longest run was an elapsed 5.30 ish pace but with probs more elevation than Amsterdam, so who knows?! 😅
 
I think it's true she has a warped sense of her own ability. She may look at her moving time paces (over elapsed) and think this is what she can acheive. It's clear from her disappointment at not getting a Strava PB at parkrun, that she expected to do better in Cardiff etc. I think she has believed her own hype that a BQ is within her grasp.
Now Strava do that "a year ago" reminder I've seen some of my older runs and wonder how I was so much faster. Then I look at elapsed and realise I was taking long pause breaks to recover so I wasn't really faster back then overall. I've stopped pausing my watch now though, I was deluding myself.
 
The 22 miler at 3:50 pace (elapsed time) was the best indicator we've seen. But anyone who has ran a full marathon knows 22 mile PB pace is not the same as 26.2 mile PB pace. Very out of character for her not to mention 7 day countdown in her insta post about junior parkrun. Beginning of the marathon vanishing act already?
 
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