Thevitamindproject - Africa

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When did I say that I found it unbearable for her to have political views? 😂

My comments have also been tame for tattle, you should have a look at the Katie Price threads. Unlike you though I also don’t have conversations with influencers in their DM’s.

Example: “ Don’t be this person”. There was no need to take everything so seriously and be defensive all the time.
 
rainbowlemon said:
When did I say that I found it unbearable for her to have political views? 😂

My comments have also been tame for tattle, you should have a look at the Katie Price threads. Unlike you though I also don’t have conversations with influencers in their DM’s.

Example: “ Don’t be this person”. There was no need to take everything so seriously and be defensive all the time.
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A bit like in the comments section, I just don’t argue with people on tattle 😂 if someone wants to come here and rave about someone then that’s their choice. Like you though I don’t think I ever said I didn’t like her because of her political choices? My issue is with many things but I’ve tried to explain to previous posters here that when it comes to Africa nobody is allowed an opinion on anything she says or does, it’s always taken out of context.
 
The previous poster was also on the of daughter threads. I’ve also been there since the 7th thread. We’re on around thread #63 now. They posted about DM’ing Simon and also contacting the brands that he had worked with and also tagged.

Reading on tattle is still a choice at the end of the day, which can be avoided. Not direct messages to Africa’s inbox.
 
I’d guessed the kids name from that post too - it was hardly subtle! I was interested to see she’d addressed the older daughter’s name a while back, and it did make some sense in the context of her own name being Africa. But she didn’t really answer the question - about managing her daughter’s self image related to her name in the current climate. The defensiveness had probably come from the fact she had just made a similar choice for the youngest.

I mean. Zion and Israel. It’s completely valid to say ‘’we chose these names from an important and precious religious context completely separate from their common usage’’. Or ‘’we remind our children of the beauty and meaning of these names while criticising an ideology that uses them differently’’. Totally fair and understandable. But to categorically deny that she has ever found this to be an issue seems dismissive of potential challenges for the kids.

It’s not really unusual to have unfortunate connections to names. I remember reading an article from a woman named Isis a few years ago about it’s perception. And I know a family with a son called Rishi who have had some comments.

Language is just like that. It communicates quickly. And unfortunately most people don’t know a deep knowledge of Rastafarianism to counter it. Sure you can explain, but it doesn’t stop people’s immediate reactions based on the shared understanding of those words. It also won’t stop her daughter from hearing her name described as violent and evil - on TV, at school, probably at the dinner table and protests that her own parents take her to. It just seems negligent to deny this is remotely a concern in the family.
 
The Stephanie drama from her story.

The original comment is about a man who attacked an Asian woman in a library and has apparently reformed.



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And this is why Africas patreon/insta has just become an echo chamber because everyone is so scared to ask any questions or have any other opinion other than what is allowed with Africas “boundaries”. Only Africa is allowed to speak or have an opinion. I definitely don’t have the same opinions as Africa, but I do read her stuff because I’m happy to read other points of view.
 
I’m surprised she was so willing to show a complete ignorance to the UK prison system in her responses here. I completely respect that a victim of crime (and members of society in general) will want to see the perpetrator receive some form of punishment. But the sad reality is that for a very, very long time our prisons have been a place where any form of rehabilitation is highly unlikely. So many who are sentenced to serve a punishment in prison will likely come out with even more extreme views and more dangerous contacts than before they even went. I personally think the chances of this person in particular being at the point of rehabilitation that he is now is virtually impossible for most people who are sentenced to spend time in our prison system.

I also think we’ve reached such a dangerous point in how we’ve normalised invalidating someone’s opinion based on an assumption we’ve made about someone. She has refused to engage with someone because they’re white. Dangerous in part because it overlooks the many ways someone might live a life being oppressed but also because as clearly happened here, she’s made an assumption about someone’s race which is totally incorrect.
 
Her post this morning. I just feel like it’s chat GP writing her content now. I read it and it’s just loads of words? (I have an English degree but maybe I’ve just spent so little time using it that I now struggle with anything more than the daily mail and tattle 😂)
 
Get that with a few of her posts. The last hashtags are original though.

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Get that with a few of her posts. The last hashtags are original though.

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I did my (2 degrees) back before there was much checking of your work- back when it was the “world wide web” and I do remember for some essays (not for the English degree) finding some cracking stuff on the internet and thinking wow that’s a great sentence and j would just cut and paste a load of tit and put it all together. When I looked back recently at my old uni stuff it was pretty obvious as it didn’t flow at all and that’s how I read her stuff? A good sound bite from lots of people that she then puts together in a blurb. I don’t think it was always like this, I just think she’s absolutely grown out of SM and has zero passion for it…… she doesn’t offend me like the other grifters on here, I just find her very frustrating.
 
The whole Stephanie thing. I mean Africa isn't wrong. Prison should be punishment and reform.
Reform is always obviously better but he hasn't been punished for it. That poor lady didn't get any justice. Why does she have to be the bigger person and just accept that he has reformed. duck that.
However as with all things Africa her rightness gets lost in patronising preachy word salad.
 
Emsie said:
The whole Stephanie thing. I mean Africa isn't wrong. Prison should be punishment and reform.
Reform is always obviously better but he hasn't been punished for it. That poor lady didn't get any justice. Why does she have to be the bigger person and just accept that he has reformed. duck that.
However as with all things Africa her rightness gets lost in patronising preachy word salad.
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She’s not wrong but her complete refusal to engage in conversation with someone else based on an (incorrect) assumption based purely on the way she’s judged them is dangerous. She’s part of the problem.
 
I also find some of her written posts frustrating, but I found as usual she’s highly articulate in the spoken/video content tonight tbh and I’m completely in agreement with her about this. I especially appreciated her comparison with feminism and how we’ve broadly moved past engaging with clumsy, derailing input from men who don’t have first hand experience or skin in the game. Steph’s comments were inappropriate, rude and racist in this context. The man in question committed a racially motivated crime. Africa is right - it IS a defence of racism to suggest that prison reform is the most pressing matter here and it’s completely fair to state she won’t be discussing it, as she did.

By coincidence I come across this prison reform ‘devils advocate’ argument often in feminist work, so Africa’s comparison rings even more true to me. In advocacy for survivors of male violence, I hear all the time ‘’but the system is broken and prisons don’t help’’ … as if its victims of violence who are the ones who should be willing to take a hit on behalf of systemic failure, or be responsible for making a coherent reform plan.

Ultimately asking a victim of gender or race based violence to justify the legally appropriate consequence of the crime committed is rooted in misogyny and racism respectively.
 
sunniva said:
I also find some of her written posts frustrating, but I found as usual she’s highly articulate in the spoken/video content tonight tbh and I’m completely in agreement with her about this. I especially appreciated her comparison with feminism and how we’ve broadly moved past engaging with clumsy, derailing input from men who don’t have first hand experience or skin in the game. Steph’s comments were inappropriate, rude and racist in this context. The man in question committed a racially motivated crime. Africa is right - it IS a defence of racism to suggest that prison reform is the most pressing matter here and it’s completely fair to state she won’t be discussing it, as she did.

By coincidence I come across this prison reform ‘devils advocate’ argument often in feminist work, so Africa’s comparison rings even more true to me. In advocacy for survivors of male violence, I hear all the time ‘’but the system is broken and prisons don’t help’’ … as if its victims of violence who are the ones who should be willing to take a hit on behalf of systemic failure, or be responsible for making a coherent reform plan.

Ultimately asking a victim of gender or race based violence to justify the legally appropriate consequence of the crime committed is rooted in misogyny and racism respectively.
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I feel like it needed this response though?

Yes, she was wrong. But also, Africa’s unwillingness to engage stank of “I’m right, you’re wrong, and that’s the end of it”. I know she doesn’t *have to*, but if she’s discussing this type of thing and opening the dialogue, surely she she expect the need to discuss?
 
sunniva said:
I also find some of her written posts frustrating, but I found as usual she’s highly articulate in the spoken/video content tonight tbh and I’m completely in agreement with her about this. I especially appreciated her comparison with feminism and how we’ve broadly moved past engaging with clumsy, derailing input from men who don’t have first hand experience or skin in the game. Steph’s comments were inappropriate, rude and racist in this context. The man in question committed a racially motivated crime. Africa is right - it IS a defence of racism to suggest that prison reform is the most pressing matter here and it’s completely fair to state she won’t be discussing it, as she did.

By coincidence I come across this prison reform ‘devils advocate’ argument often in feminist work, so Africa’s comparison rings even more true to me. In advocacy for survivors of male violence, I hear all the time ‘’but the system is broken and prisons don’t help’’ … as if its victims of violence who are the ones who should be willing to take a hit on behalf of systemic failure, or be responsible for making a coherent reform plan.

Ultimately asking a victim of gender or race based violence to justify the legally appropriate consequence of the crime committed is rooted in misogyny and racism respectively.
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But from what I could see, absolutely nobody has suggested he shouldn’t have served time in prison or that he should have been allowed to evade justice in the form of prison time.

Instead what we did all see, was her engage in a discussion and then immediately shut it down based on perceived skin colour, race and level of oppression. With a few insults thrown in for good measure. We need to stop normalising and accepting that behaviour when it is incredibly (and dangerously) divisive.
 
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